PES 2009 General Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA TALK OR POLITICAL CHAT)

[Bojador]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Hello.

Having played only one game which I won 1-0 (I was playing with Man Utd against Liverpool on Top Player) I must say I liked the demo (PS3). It's so much better than PES 2008 PS3. I mean, it's not perfect, there is still things that have improve. Like the sound of the ball for instance, it reminded me the days I used to play in my Sega Genesis and the fact that now every player does that silly feint when you turn 90 degrees and all of them with the same accuracy. But there are good things also, the trough passes looked more precise and this is more noticcable when made in the air. The lobs (the only goal I scored was in a perfect lob and I didn't have to use the R2 button along with the L1 like in the PS2 version to keep it from going over the bar) are easier now, perhaps too easy but maybe I was lucky. The shooting from long range is very nice, you can really feel the weight of the ball. Passes are probably a bit too easy (I don't recall having made a wrong one) and you have to pass all the time because the CPU pressure is so much better. The graffics are good and some animations are a bit strange but you don't have any Frame Rate problems.

Like I said, it's not perfect but IMO it's better than Fifa 09. I remember when the first Pro Evo came out for the PS2 I didn't liked it that much, I would prefer the PSone version but I kept playing it and it grew on me. In fact every time a new version comes out I have the same feeling, I always notice it's flaws before I notice the good things. I only played one game but I already decided I'm going to buy the PS3 version.


Cheers

 

[Kenny G]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Oh, but the chants suck! Why bother including them?!

Well I guess the MP3 import will sort that out. I look forward to importing that "Insure and Go" logo in edit mode and then the Shrimpers UEFA Champions League assault can begin.

I was playing the FIFA demo last night whilst waiting for PES to download, I still can't get FIFA at all. I still use D-PAD to move players so for that alone they've already lost me. I was just tapping the ball to Drogba and then he could run through and score, he bagged a hatrick, pretty much all the same goals and no feeling of satisfaction when they went in which is the same empty feeling its given me since the PS1 versions. My main problem with FIFA is the players seem no different from each other in the way they play regardless of what team you are. The thing I've always loved in Pro Evo is that the players actually play like their real life counterparts as well as looking like them. Right from ISS'98 Owen was a little quick bloke, Beckham had a wicked cross but was slow. Crouchie is gangly but has good control. I remember a few years ago it was fun playing as Dortmund because Koller was like a battering ram with Ewerthon as the little speed demon to flick it on to. Gary Neville is a good full back but if you try the Zidane spin the ball with him it usually goes out for a throw - thats how it should be.

 

[cowden_harley]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

It's better than 2008, not great but slightly enjoyable.

Will maybe buy it when it's on offer or reduced but not a release date owner for me.

GK's are utter tripe, the nets are bad and the bad animations are my main flaws.

 

[pboreham]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Well I guess the MP3 import will sort that out. I look forward to importing that "Insure and Go" logo in edit mode and then the Shrimpers UEFA Champions League assault can begin.

I was playing the FIFA demo last night whilst waiting for PES to download, I still can't get FIFA at all. I still use D-PAD to move players so for that alone they've already lost me. I was just tapping the ball to Drogba and then he could run through and score, he bagged a hatrick, pretty much all the same goals and no feeling of satisfaction when they went in which is the same empty feeling its given me since the PS1 versions. My main problem with FIFA is the players seem no different from each other in the way they play regardless of what team you are. The thing I've always loved in Pro Evo is that the players actually play like their real life counterparts as well as looking like them. Right from ISS'98 Owen was a little quick bloke, Beckham had a wicked cross but was slow. Crouchie is gangly but has good control. I remember a few years ago it was fun playing as Dortmund because Koller was like a battering ram with Ewerthon as the little speed demon to flick it on to. Gary Neville is a good full back but if you try the Zidane spin the ball with him it usually goes out for a throw - thats how it should be.

Yup, spot on Kenny. Thats the thing I love about PES - and in the Master League, you know you can go out and sign people based on stats to improve your team. I.e. I love having a target man in my side, so if I dont have one, I will search for someone "190cm +" and I know it will make a difference to my team in the fact I can whack it long and play off them.

That said (and I know you really dont like FIFA!), the full game definitely DOES have players that feel different. Southend are great to play with - Betsy is quick and skillful, Barrett is really strong and knocks people about, Sawyer runs and runs and has got MOM in most of my games and my favourite, Revell is pretty much spot on - right height, shape etc and it felt great when I brought him on and saw the size difference to Freedman for example.

So ignore the demo as the full game IS different - and definitely improved 100% in this respect over FIFA08, and for that I am grateful.

But I know I'm wasting my breath as you'll never get FIFA!

 

[demolition]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

PART I

Shame....real shame. I am a long time reader of these forums and I've been a fan of WE Series for over 10 years now. To be quite honest, Konami needs to be boycott for what they have done if that is what it is going to take to get them to get their act together. I completely disagree with what's going on at the WEB website were Suff and Co are up to the same dirty trick they used on PES fans last year to get as many copies sold for Konami as possible. "different Build", "will be fixed", "fluid", "only a demo"...ect. won't cut it with me this year. So after all the waiting I am about to give you my honest feedback on the demo of PES2009 on the PS3. But First, I need to explain something to people I like to think are in complete denial and need a reality check. With simple Facts for casual gamers:

FACT: When a die hard football fan who has been playing football games since the time of the Commodore 64 and AMIGA watches a freaking video of PES, given the video is of acceptable quality, then they can get a good feel of the games Graphics, animations and ball physics. I can understand that you can't judge the control of the game, since you are not the person playing the game. E.g. People complaining about ridiculous running animations were being told that it's an "early build". Come release day, they will find out that the game engine was not magically replaced in a month period and, surprise, the same animations are there in the retail version of the game.

FACT: When a company releases a playable demo of their game at a gaming convention then it would be anywhere from 60-80% complete. Of course there will be a few things here and there that will be fixed or tweaked before release but you would, generally, get a very good feeling of what playing the final version would be like. Especially in sports games, where there are, basically, no storylines with twists and turns, and the only story is the one being told on the field. Same applies to a playable demo released to the public a few weeks before release date. I know, Suff, THE FINAL RELEASE WILL PLAY 5-10% better but that doesn't mean that Konami will redefine the whole game. I can freaking tell if the game will be hot or not when playing a 90% complete build. To the other poster, It is only 1.5 GB because it contains 1 game mode with a few teams in it. E.g. Suff played FIFA 09 demo and made the same, "oh, I played a later build and it is dramatically better I am so shocked." Everyone who played the game now can see that the retail version plays a little better than the demo but the demo gave 80-90% fidelity of the full game which is common sense really.

NOTE: I am not directly quoting Suff but I am honestly putting out how I perceived his comments on PES and FIFA in the past few weeks.

 

[T Butcher fan]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

lol - This thread goes the same way every year!

 

[Tykjen]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Unassisted cursor option made it all for me. Pes is a new game now. Full control as never before.

 

[Beardymagic]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

So are we agreed that Southend fans seem to like pes09?!

Kenny, if I see someone with a huge mic trying to record chants at Roots hall then I'll know it's you yeah?! Hopefully I can meet up with you guys online this year and we can compare our dodgy efforts at Southend's new home kit (you know we won't have a template for the shoulder parts!)

I should have fifa delivered today too so I'm looking forward to giving that a try.

 

[pboreham]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

So are we agreed that Southend fans seem to like pes09?!

Kenny, if I see someone with a huge mic trying to record chants at Roots hall then I'll know it's you yeah?! Hopefully I can meet up with you guys online this year and we can compare our dodgy efforts at Southend's new home kit (you know we won't have a template for the shoulder parts!)

I should have fifa delivered today too so I'm looking forward to giving that a try.

Be good for us to do a 3 player BAL match - the Southend boys

 

[who me]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

oh fifa oh fifa omg .blind people. Fifa (ps3) is boring .thats all

 

[festa]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

I'm 35 years young. I've been playing PES since the days of ISS on the nintendo. Most people will agree that it has evolved into a legendary video game when the series moved upto the playstation format. I just don't get the satisfying feeling when I score a goal. Its been like this for a few versions now. I don't think the series is moving forward with this version. Surely next year Konami?

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

oh fifa oh fifa omg .blind people. Fifa (ps3) is boring .thats all

That's a quality post.......

 

[SaintScott]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

idk what the hell is wrong with konami, making the goalkeepers stupids. they dont catch anything...every single shoot from the cpu is a goal, and they even score easy goals like when the ball rebounds in front of the goalie, and he lets it go...
WTF!

I've only Played on Top Player and only saw 2 deflections back into the danger area in about 15 matches, despite spending most of the time getting tonked. So I don't know what level you're playing on. Keepers seems very realistic to me, they don't hold much that's not straight at them, but they use a variety of methods to block shots and they generally get the ball away from the areas in front of goal.

As for "every single shot from the CPU is a goal", that's just not even close to being true, one of the most impressive things for me now is the CPU's fallability, it misses the target sometimes just as human players do.

Not on the 360 anyway, can't vouch for the other versions...

 

[SaintScott]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

PART I

Shame....real shame. I am a long time reader of these forums and I've been a fan of WE Series for over 10 years now. To be quite honest, Konami needs to be boycott for what they have done if that is what it is going to take to get them to get their act together. I completely disagree with what's going on at the WEB website were Suff and Co are up to the same dirty trick they used on PES fans last year to get as many copies sold for Konami as possible. "different Build", "will be fixed", "fluid", "only a demo"...ect. won't cut it with me this year. So after all the waiting I am about to give you my honest feedback on the demo of PES2009 on the PS3. But First, I need to explain something to people I like to think are in complete denial and need a reality check. With simple Facts for casual gamers:

FACT: When a die hard football fan who has been playing football games since the time of the Commodore 64 and AMIGA watches a freaking video of PES, given the video is of acceptable quality, then they can get a good feel of the games Graphics, animations and ball physics. I can understand that you can't judge the control of the game, since you are not the person playing the game. E.g. People complaining about ridiculous running animations were being told that it's an "early build". Come release day, they will find out that the game engine was not magically replaced in a month period and, surprise, the same animations are there in the retail version of the game.

FACT: When a company releases a playable demo of their game at a gaming convention then it would be anywhere from 60-80% complete. Of course there will be a few things here and there that will be fixed or tweaked before release but you would, generally, get a very good feeling of what playing the final version would be like. Especially in sports games, where there are, basically, no storylines with twists and turns, and the only story is the one being told on the field. Same applies to a playable demo released to the public a few weeks before release date. I know, Suff, THE FINAL RELEASE WILL PLAY 5-10% better but that doesn't mean that Konami will redefine the whole game. I can freaking tell if the game will be hot or not when playing a 90% complete build. To the other poster, It is only 1.5 GB because it contains 1 game mode with a few teams in it. E.g. Suff played FIFA 09 demo and made the same, "oh, I played a later build and it is dramatically better I am so shocked." Everyone who played the game now can see that the retail version plays a little better than the demo but the demo gave 80-90% fidelity of the full game which is common sense really.

NOTE: I am not directly quoting Suff but I am honestly putting out how I perceived his comments on PES and FIFA in the past few weeks.

The PES2009 Demo I played yesterday was a completely different game to those Leipzig videos. That 10% can make all the difference, PES2008 was only "slowing the play and sorting the keepers" from being decent, and it was appalling.

 

[Kenny G]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Be good for us to do a 3 player BAL match - the Southend boys

I don't think I'll be touching BAL multiplayer unless Konami have included the option to play that mode riding on the back of giant lizards. :-pp

 

[polakis]

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PES2009 demo is a tragic game...

Pitty for Konami. They have ruined our dreams...

Fifa09 for me this year...Sorry

 

[wan_d7]

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hmm,well this game should be the last year game as pes2008. it's a quality game if it's released last year. but for 2008/2009, it's not a worth anything... not in the cart list..i guess,i'll just download the game when it's cracked

 

[kobashi]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

only people baggin this game are jealous fifa heads, the demo is great they have slowed it down at jus the right speed (not like slow motion fifa 09) i believe the graphics arent next gen but this is a demo and i believe they will have polished it up by the time this game hits the streets, pro evo all the way

Wrong. Up until last year I never played Fifa and I bought all the Winning Eleven's including J.league versions. What Konami are offering these days doesnt cut it anymore.

 

[Junka]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

i made some new vids

C.Ronaldo Scissors
i think this a new scissors animation,and so far i only could preformed this with C.Ronaldo in the demo
YouTube - pes2009 c.ronaldo Scissors

Tevez shows off new trick,multiple times in a row
YouTube - tevez show off new trick pes2009

same new trick from close
YouTube - pes2009 tevez new trick

 

[evacuate]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

It's funny how people say everyone complain every year but still get the game. Well that might have been the case before because FIFA used to be shit, so we really had no choice. Maybe this time Konami take the complains seriously because it's pretty amazing how many people that have switch side now because of PES lack of realism and Konamis lack of giving a shit about the feedback. I'm so grateful that EA stepped up so Konami have to do the same if they want to keep their market share.

 

[zangbezan]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

is there a list how to perform the new tricks?

i accidentally made some of these 360 spins without turning the stick like on pes 08. ^^

 

[MO_DINERO]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Fifa09 for me this year...Sorry

You shouldn't apologies, Konami only have their selves to blame for standing still and banking on Fifa never being able to match them game play wise, they should take that crown off their PES logo it looks embarrassing now.

Seabass has to go back to the drawing board or else Fifa 2010/11 could be the final nail in the coffin for him.

 

[kobashi]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

You shouldn't apologies, Konami only have their selves to blame for standing still and banking on Fifa never being able to match them game play wise, they should take that crown off their PES logo it looks embarrassing now.

Seabass has to go back to the drawing board or else Fifa 2010/11 could be the final nail in the coffin for him.

Yep and people really shouldn't just assume next year will the be year where PES really comes good.

 

[Jamezinho]

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they should take that crown off their PES logo it looks embarrassing now.

It sure does.

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

Wrong. Up until last year I never played Fifa and I bought all the Winning Eleven's including J.league versions. What Konami are offering these days doesnt cut it anymore.

mate i agree with you there, but u seriously cant compare the two games, even tho pro evo has gone stale the gameplay still rocks, if u really do like ur football, u cant compare the two games in gameplay, pro evo still blows it away, i will admit fifa is headin in the right direction, once they sort out the gameplay speed, stiff player animations and players perfroming tricks awkwardly, then konami have to start makin more of an effort, i rekon fifa are bout 70% there, give em a few more years

ps i dont care if its fifa or pro evo i jus want good football

 

[kobashi]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

mate i agree with you there, but u seriously cant compare the two games, even tho pro evo has gone stale the gameplay still rocks, if u really do like ur football, u cant compare the two games in gameplay, pro evo still blows it away, i will admit fifa is headin in the right direction, once they sort out the gameplay speed, stiff player animations and players perfroming tricks awkwardly, then konami have to start makin more of an effort, i rekon fifa are bout 70% there, give em a few more years

ps i dont care if its fifa or pro evo i jus want good football

I dont think it does though. PES has dates animations and its still to automated. FIFA is much more of a simulation than PES and unlike many PES doesnt represent a real football match to me. PES is going backwards. I dont think anyone can deny that the lack of progress from Konami since next gen has been shocking!!!

 

[Jamezinho]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

I've just been reading on WENB that the demo is the full retail version. Both Riot and Canigga have played the final version and have confirmed.

 

[Trance_Allstar]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

is there a list how to perform the new tricks?

i accidentally made some of these 360 spins without turning the stick like on pes 08. ^^

In-game menu --> Command List.

 

[Trance_Allstar]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

I've just been reading on WENB that the demo is the full retail version. Both Riot and Canigga have played the final version and have confirmed.

Cheers for the info, kind of sad, some of the animation bugs in the game makes it seem like pre-beta. (Sorry for double post)

 

[pboreham]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA

I've just been reading on WENB that the demo is the full retail version. Both Riot and Canigga have played the final version and have confirmed.

Ah well, I'm happy with that personally. Only thing I'd want changing is the chants.