PES 2009 General Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA TALK OR POLITICAL CHAT)

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I understand your point of view. It seems that konami doesn´t care about many things. Like you said, the gloves, number of leagues, etc, but at least I hope they care about gameplay! I will not buy the game until I play the demo.
 
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goalgerd said:
wenb podcast up

http://www.zshare.net/audio/192305767ab609d3/

sounds like they flogging a dead horse
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The scores from tha mags are a joke and the mag that gave Fifa 09 82% in comparison to 88% PES2009 is should hang there head in shame. Seems that the major plus is a big improvement on PES2008 and thats it. Is that really enough?
 
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We harp on about opinions a lot here so why aren't the reviewers allowed to have theirs?

Take it with a pinch of salt and don't cry everytime PES outscores Fifa.
 
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Badgerman said:
We harp on about opinions a lot here so why aren't the reviewers allowed to have theirs?

Take it with a pinch of salt and don't cry everytime PES outscores Fifa.
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Because more often than not the reasons they score fifa down are BS reasons and the biased against EA at times is pathetic.
 
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Badgerman said:
We harp on about opinions a lot here so why aren't the reviewers allowed to have theirs?

Take it with a pinch of salt and don't cry everytime PES outscores Fifa.
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Agreed

The amount of times magazines, journalists & internet sites are banded bias fanboys because they prefer PES is just becoming predictable and highly boring.

Some cannot accept that it might just be the better game, its no way perfect but its more rewarding...........simple
 
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pjft said:
I just wanted to reply to this:

This is simply wrong. Are you saying PES's faces 2D? Are you serious?

I'm glad there are more examples of face-mapping techniques - even though in NBA Live 2000, how did you put your picture in the console, out of honest curiosity? I'm just asking 'cause I wasn't expecting such an old game to have something like that.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares
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PES faces are 3D of course, but they make use of face mapping with an actual photo of the player, whereas FIFA is 3D only.

NBALive2000 for the PC :). And when I said it was nothing special, I wasn't referring to the feature itself, but the technology needed for it to work. It is a nice feature.
 
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airjoca said:
PES faces are 3D of course, but they make use of face mapping with an actual photo of the player, whereas FIFA is 3D only.

NBALive2000 for the PC :). And when I said it was nothing special, I wasn't referring to the feature itself, but the technology needed for it to work. It is a nice feature.
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maybe Ea should use pictures too than....they look a lot more realisitc to me
 
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brunnoce said:
maybe Ea should use pictures too than....they look a lot more realisitc to me
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It's a lot easier and faster to do for sure. However, If you take the time do perfectly model a face in 3d it will eventually look better I think. Some faces on the FIFA09 demo are amazing, some are meh, some worse. And EA have a lot more teams, a lot more players, a lot more faces to do...
 
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Caniggia PODCAST

http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/podcast-045-caniggias-song/

Didn´t like this:

"What about the speed of the game?"

Canniggia: "errrr (hesitation)............. just a little bit slow, not much slower, just a bit"

Canniggia: "you won´t notice any differences from pes 2008 if you play against CPU"

I hope PES 2009 isn´t PES 2008,5
 
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reddevils said:
care to give examples? videos? proof? because i sure as hell, after watching 15 years of top flight football, never seen that happen
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Ivica Olic vs. Kazakhstan, slide shot straight at the goalie, sliding in from the left, swinging his foot when sliding, striking with the instep and driving it diagonal across the goal. What the heck are you on about, that happens 2-3 times in every football match, just isn't neccessarily a shot, could be a tackle, a 50-50 ball etc.

It's sometimes struck with the instep, sometimes with the full foot. That body angle, ball roation and speed couple=d with a swinging lunge of the right foot can easily result in the kind of pace, trajectory and swerve we see from that attempt. This is 25 years of watching, 20 years of playing with 21 National Futsal Team callups talking.
 
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[EDIT] A first for me. :lol:

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I should get a life.

PART I


Hi all.

I apologize for the delay, I'll try to answer most of what came up as a reaction to my post.

This is a Megathon of a post. I reply to sindii, SaintScott, Nick Cave, Punzz, reddevils, Placebo, Putuco Malo, airjoca, DrForce, kobashi and I don't know who else :lol:

I'm terribly sorry for the huge post - you might want to consider skipping it if you're not in the mood.

sindii said:
My problems is simple features taken out and stuff like not adding in more tournament modes and maybe the old scneario mode. Even i can program those type of things and they would only take a few hours to code for the guys at konami.

If it's even as good as pes5 i will honestly be ok as it's progress for the nexgen, hopefully they will build from there.
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You are right, and I am not trying to excuse them in any way. This morning, for instance, I was actually missing the challenge training mode - which I don't think will be making an appearance in PES2009. I too miss some of the modes that once made an appearance in PES. The old "scenario" mode was from ISS, actually - a game from KCEO, not KCET :) I do wonder why haven't they eve implemented such a mode in PES... Oh well...

SaintScott said:
That's interesting actually, because when I read the original statement about "the PES2009 modes being complete" I read it as them already having starting development on a NEW build for PES2009, rather than that the old modes were already determined and that they'd come too far to change anything for October 2008 even in September 2007. With hindsight I can see your interpretation is right, but it was certainly implied strongly enough by the writer that the change would be seen this year, even though reading those comments now it's vague enough not to be.

That they couldn't change gear over a year away from the PES2009 release is either an indication of a bloated organisation (which implies too many staff, which I don't think is true from other things I've heard) or a problem with managing the implementation of new developments.

It might also explain why so little seems to have changed this year - if some resources are now working on a new engine instead. But this is all speculation dependent on what happens NEXT year, and I had enough of that last year !
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Yes, hindsight is always 20/20 - my case included :P At the time I did actually consider that they were beginning to develop something from the ground up, hopefully for this year's game. To be truthful, the fact that the game modes are almost finished doesn't necessary relate to the game engine being rewritten from scratch or not. One year ago, I was as convinced as anyone else that this year might have been the overhaul ;)

SaintScott said:
I don't think it's a contradiction that some want progress and others like PES5 gameplay. Pretty much everyone agrees they want something that plays like PES5 (I prefer WE10) but looks like Next Gen and has next gen features. Equally there are so many instances of what MANY fans want, and features that were implemented and then removed [did I just step up there? ;)], which WERE simple to implement and that people liked, that it IS reasonable to doubt Konami's commitment to addressing fan feedback and opinion.
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You are right, there are features that don't get implemented, and that many fans want. I won't argue that. As I mentioned, I believe that the features were not taken out on purpose, but simply haven't yet been developed in the next-gen game, just that. Still, I can't quite fault them for doing a mix of old features coming back and new features altogether.

Let's consider these past 12 months context:

- The online for PES2008 was pretty bad, while PES6 on the PS2 was thoroughly enjoyable. Furthermore, FIFA had "Be a Pro" online matches - somthing that, if someone here recalls ond Seabass interviews, had always, always been his vision all along.

Here's a quote from a 2005 interview of Seabass:

Is the online dream still 11 vs 11 players?

Seabass: Our goal hasn't changed - we could probably do it for the next PES, but it's very difficult, as we'd have to change the system completely in order to do it. So we'll probably bring you 5 vs 5 online, and have a kind of halfway version. If we actually gave you the chance to play 11 vs 11, we'd definitely see a lot of that human error!
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=131583

and a 2004 interview

Seabass: "We always say that one of our final goals is to have 11 versus 11, but the team doesn't believe we can do this on PSP before doing it on a [home] console. Technically we could do it, connecting on the PSP LAN, however it will probably not give you that satisfying PES feeling if we try to do that on the PSP platform."
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Sadly, this interview has gone offline now. You can read it here:

http://www.pesforum.de/pes-3-forum/35122-pes-interview-mit-mr-seabass-takatsuka.html

and a reference to it here: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56992

By the way, Seabass was already talking about this years before, I just can't find the interviews on the internet, and I don't know if I still have my old magazines. Nonetheless, by the tone of his words, you can deprehend that the intervewers are already aware of his wish to do 11 vs 11 online from years before.

He had a memorable interview where he also commented that he appreciated the effort Namco had done with LiberoGrande.

Back on topic, the point is, he did want to improve the online bit - 2 vs 2 at least - and also prevent FIFA from stealing his show completely with their online Be a Pro. Thus appeared Legends and Become a Legend.

- The Edit mode needed to be improved.

They tried to bring it back to old standards.

- Licenses. They tried to get the Champions League license.

Loads of assets had to be done for it to work correctly. It's sort of a "new" competition in the game.

- Stadiums. People complained that they weren't detailed.

In Seabass's interview, he states something about stadium improvement, that he can finally tick it off the list.

- People complained for ages about never knowing why players in the Master League would refuse millionaire contracts. Also, the fact that once you had 40 world class players, the Master League would become pointless and not a challenge at all.

They added the negotiation factors, as well as the players now liking or disliking the club and the fact that they play regularly or sit on the bench frequently affects their morale is a slight improvement.

We can easily question Konami's commitment to user feedback, but I feel it is slightly unfair. They can't answer all the feedback all at once. They choose a couple of topics, address them, and also address a couple of new things.

SaintScott said:
I think a lot of the issue with fan feedback isn't so much taking ideas on board, it's a lack of transparency for decision-making - people WANT to know why shirts can't be set untucked in edit mode when they could in PES5. They want to know whose idea the thudding ball and grey goalposts were. The company works in software, you'd think they'd be a little more media savvy than just having maximum secrecy and very poorly co-ordinated PR leaks. I hate to use EA as a model for this kind of thing after their 10 years of crappy versions, but they've got back in the game (sorry!) by using fans as focus groups and testing on their customers (and before release, unlike the PES2008 online Beta I paid £40 for last year).
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I'm all up for transparency here. Nonetheless, culturally, they are a Japanese company. Now, let me tell you a couple of things: I will easily vouch that Konami also conducts fans, focus groups, and receives their suggestions to some degree. FIFA is produced by a canadian company. Their playground has always been Europe. It's pretty legitimate that they'll invite the guys from FSB for a weekend there and get them to play the game, as well as earn that free awareness that the guys will generate through the blog.

True enough, Konami is a bit more closed about it, but make no mistake: they might not be so open about it, but they also have their own feedback loops of sort, both with japanese and europeans. If I am not thoroughly mistaken, a well-known member of EvoWeb, who currently is involved in beta-testing the game and has been doing so for the past 2 years or so, I am pretty sure that he might have some word or the other on what Seabass is doing wrong and right, and they improve over it.

Also, even though most of you will frown upon this reference of mine, I have heard from secure sources that there were PES2008 betas that were a lot better than the final game, in what concerns game speed and features, if I'm not mistaken. Many good people were crucified for having told us that as leaks - ThomasGoal being one of them.

Punzz said:
Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback."

I'm sorry but when have the Konami developers ever come out and said 'this year the game plays like PES5 because we all know you loved that game'

They simply changed the pace of the game because last year was ridiculous. The PES5 statement came along because one of the Konami EU staff mentioned to suffwan or someone from WENB that the games pace is similar to PES5.

As for this so called patent talk, it doesn't fly with me.

You're right though, they don't owe us anything. In saying that though, if they want to better their game then I'm sure reading through european gamers opinions could give them a different spin on everything.

Another thing. I read they've limited the import chant option to 1 chant per team, does that still stand? I won't be too happy if thats still the case
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I'm sorry, but even I haven't heard anything from Konami developers saying anything at all, nor have I seen any of them. Nonetheless, the statement in PEsS2009's MySpace FAQ is the following:

Q: Has the game speed been slowed down this year? Last year's speed was in all honesty, atrocious. If it is the same, or even close this time around, I don't see myself playing the game.
A: Yes it has – this was one of the most requested bits of feedback we got from last year's title and this one has been compared to the speed of PES 5, which seems to be the version preferred by a lot of PES fans.
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http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=259239164&blogID=421954722

I'm pretty sure you can read them they way you want: either that, by chance, the speed is similar to PES5's, or that the speed is similar to PES5 because it seems to be the version preferred by a lot of PES fans. I really don't know how they would've come up with this without paying attention to fans opinions.

Nontheless, about the patent talk, if it doesn't fly with you, let me try a different approach - take it from someone also in the software business.

There are legitimate communication channels for everything. They are completely entitled to - mostly for their safety, also - not to take feedback from the Contact Us form in their site. When they want feedback from users, for whatever purpose it is - product management, beta testing, user groups, feedback sessions - they have them sign NDAs, and sure enough, do whatever they want to do then. It is as hard to prove that they don't take feedback from fans as it is the other way around.

I will not try to defend nor criticize Konami's position on it. However, I wouldn't say that they don't take any feedback from the users. I believe that your statement that says "I'm sure reading through european gamers opinions could give them a different spin on everything" is a bit extremist, and over-generalizing. The fact that a vocal minority expresses its discontent with the game doesn't mean that another vocal minority actually likes the game for what it is - which doesn't mean that it doesn't recognize that the game needs to improve - and, above all, doesn't change the fact that a vocal majority still buys the game in a way that this is Konami's biggest cash-cow.

Do not risk thinking that the fact that there are 20 or 30 people here who argue that the game is worthless, and 10 or 20 of us who try to take it for what it is make the whole market for Konami's game.

Furthermore, as someone earlier put in much wiser and better words than I could ever had, since the game gets so many good reviews here in Europe, have you ever stopped to think that maybe you are wrong and the game is, in fact, a good game - which, once again, does not imply by any means that the game is perfect or could not be improved in any way.

Seriously.

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PART II

Nick Cave said:
I think it's a nice post and very polite as all ways but the whole reason for this forum is to hear and post opinions, good bad or just plain wrong in some cases. Yes Konami like EA and all other gaming companies are there to make money, they can produce whatever they want and sell us a half eaten bacon sandwich in an old bake bean can if they like, and people can come in here claiming it's the best half eaten bacon sandwich ever but they should have put Messi on the tin,If you buy it fine if not OK.

Members and guests can post whatever they like as long as they follow the site rules. I really don't get some of these preachy posts, why come in here if you take offence to negative comments or find the whole thing trivial, the people who come in spouting third world famine and how everything is far more important than a game just amaze me.
I don't know SB or Konami and so could not possibly comment on what they know, think or give a monkeys left nut about, but I like (liked) PES so I joined the best forum I could find and liked it so much I'm still here.
This forum thrives on comment, negative or otherwise, if I see something posted I don't agree with I comment or post my opinions, I don't expect everyone to agree or suddenly see sense and think hang on I have a life and a mortgage and I'm in here moaning about a bloody game. I come in here because it's fun, I don't come in here to change the world or to be lectured or lecture. If konami release videos, they do so for a reason, to then say we must not comment on them is crazy, what are people supposed to do...?

I've gone on longer than I wanted and I'd like to add this is not a comment aimed at Paulo who makes more sense than most and puts far more time and effort into his posts than me, more at similar posts and some people who like to get on high horses and play moral and intellect cards, very ironically in a football game forum...
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My feelings exactly. I apologize if I frequently seem preachy - or, as someone once put it, pedantic (which was great because I actually learned what it meant :) ) - but I just try not to let the mood swing too much to the critical side of things. I don't have a problem with criticism nor with people liking or disliking the game... But I resent the times where this thread is just pages and pages of people trying to get others to agree that there is only one truth. When that happens, it is really hard to keep up with the thread, so I try to counter-weigh it and try to restore the balance, just that :)

reddevils said:
Whats so good about the face mapping feature? its pointless for people who dont have a vision cam or eye toy (majority)

i would much rather see them fix the retarded animation and the keepers
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The fact that you don't have it doesn't mean it's pointless. If that would be the case, you would only be beginning to have online games right now, since broadband penetration worldwide is still a minority.

Nonetheless - and I ask someone to correct me if I'm wrong - I had the impression that this year you would be able to use pictures from the HD. I don't know where I got it - maybe from one excerpt of a "Become a Legend" playtest? Anyone?

Placebo said:
They're obviously 3d, but they're 3d in the absolute loosest sense of the word possible, that's why they've suddenly gone from being the best representations of Footballer's faces possible to being the grotesque objects of ridicule that they are now in comparison to the faces of other next gen™ sports games.

If it's anything like gameface of Tiger Woods it would be awesome to have it in Fifa/PES, imagine being able to create real faces from photographs of the beloved players on our team that have generic faces, dunno if you've tried tiger woods 08/09 but the quality of the faces that it creates are really good, this is very poor quality but it's the photo of myself that I used for Tiger Woods 08 with the ingame face it created next to it:
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That's a pretty nice face mapping in a game.

I have never tried the face mapping in PES - I didn't have the Euetoy either. Nonetheless, I don't feel - by any stretch of imagination - that they are such "objects of ridicule" compared to other next-gen sports games. There are great faces, and there are bad faces, plain simple. As far as I know - and this is just a "it's my impression that" it's not necessarily the face-mapping which is wrong, but the facial animation which hasn't yet been fully developed.

The picture you just showed me has a face in thesame way that the picture is. I'm pretty sure that in PES you also get such face mapping quality for a static face - Seabass's face last year, some of the game journalists face this year in the Become a Legend mode.

The major problems arise when they animate for the players to move their mouths. Sometimes it gets deformed in an unpleasant way. Do you have a picture in Tiger Woods which is comparable to the one where Kuyt is with his mouth fully open? Honest question, just to trace a parallel.

Putuco Malo said:
- We have had the same number of teams/leagues (even less, Bundesliga anyone?) from PES4... we are talking 4 YEARS WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OR SIMILAR OF TEAMS/LEAGUES!!! ¬¬
- Changes between years are minimal. They cannot change easy things like penalties or free kicks, which honestly suck big time for me.
- Nets, sandbags, garden gloves... probably not so important details, but shows a complete lazyness making the game. Details count for a lot of people.
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You are absolutely right, and I won't try to defend them in those points. I have no idea whatsoever why is it that they can't raise the team number in the game. It completely baffles me.

However, penalty and free kick changes are something that should not be done lightheartedly. I, for one, have always like the way free kicks were taken in PES, I don't know why. I have more gripes with the way keepers react in free kicks - as in "I can never score a long range free kick to the side where the keeper was standing, fooling him" - but I can understand that people would maybe like a different way to score free kicks and penalties. If I had to suggest, for free kicks I'd take the Libero Grande approach (which I believe also featured in a FIFA game some years ago), where you'd point, then choose where you'd hit the ball, and then the longer you'd press the button, the harder you'd shoot.

Penalties, however, I have a hard time picturing a change. I enjoyed the ISS ones gameplay wise - with the cursor in the screen. A bit like PES's ones in Wii. However, aesthetically it sucks a bit, and when playing multiplayer, I'm not sure if it is a good decision to show the cursor on screen - even if there's an option to hide it.

airjoca said:
PES faces are 3D of course, but they make use of face mapping with an actual photo of the player, whereas FIFA is 3D only.

NBALive2000 for the PC . And when I said it was nothing special, I wasn't referring to the feature itself, but the technology needed for it to work. It is a nice feature.
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My bad, I wasn't really seeing what you were getting at. True enough, what I was saying is that it is a nice feature of Konami to provide the option of both face mapping and 3D face-"building" in the edit mode, instead of just the latter which is harder.

About the technology needed for it to work, I wouldn't know if it is nothing special, but I assume that it might be at least a bit special, otherwise FIFA would also have it, surely. I believe the main problems are the animations, afterwards - but I'm just speculating, once again.

Well, it has been a long post to write, I'm off for the day.

Repeating what Badgerman and DrForce said, which I wholeheartedly agree with:

The amount of times magazines, journalists & internet sites are banded bias fanboys because they prefer PES is just becoming predictable and highly boring.

Some cannot accept that it might just be the better game, its no way perfect but its more rewarding...........simple[/quot]

It seems that the simple possibility freaks everyone out, apparently.

Nonetheless, if the other game suits you better, power to you. What is this bizarre need that people have, to need to hear the mainstream media agree with them? Why do they resent them? Is it so that it makes it easier on them to try and preach to everyone your own one truth, and try to convert them - or legitimize your bashing of PES, is it?

Face it, PES might be better than FIFA, and:
- the world won't end;
- you won't have to like it better than FIFA, nor will you have to resent playing FIFA and disliking PES.

The other way around also applies.

It's all fun and games here. You play what you prefer, and you have to learn to respect what others prefer, and accept that people might not - will not - always agree with you. Does the label of "second best footie game" bother you that much? Face it, either PES or FIFA will inevitaly have such label.

However, I don't see anyone here freaking out every time a good FIFA review comes up, nor when a bad PES review comes up... It's all a matter of perspective.

To end my discussion:

kobashi said:
Because more often than not the reasons they score fifa down are BS reasons and the biased against EA at times is pathetic.
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Because, more often than not, the reasons fifa fans score PES down are BS reasons and the bias - the hate, even - against Konami and Seabass at times is pathetic.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares
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Massive post Paulo. Yet insightful and full of wisdom.
 
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i want to share these fifa pics just to let every body accept pes series the way it is because fifa is no better.
if those were pes 2009 pics,i assume every single man on earth even "ben laden" will come to this forum and say shitty things about seabass and his team



 
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we have to keep in mind that seabass and his team are not gods even the fifa team so hope this season we get the best football experience whatever is the game we choose.but i know for sure i will pick up pes 2009this season and i'm waiting for anybody to kick his ass in an online match
 
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I love Cole's expression, he's like "Fucking hell Ref, he went right through me!"
 
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michelGOAL, c'mon, are you telling me that that couldn't happen? Besides, how do we know he didn't got injuried after that and was subbed? ;) Anyway, I'm not comparing FIFA to PES..FIFA could be the worst game ever, I would still think Konami guys aren't doing their job well.

Anyway, you could just post those shirt screenshot, and I would still criticize it...how can they release a football match with numbers that small on the jersey..In my opinion it's offensive. We're not talking about guys on the stands. We're talking about the main thing on the game, the players! Have they ever watched a football match? One of the best teams in one of the best leagues worldwide...and they have those tiny numbers...how can it be realistic? And they have that problem for ages. In my opinion, I would be shameful if I released a football match with that...or the huge melon ball, for example.
 
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that tiny numbers are *almost* at the same level of the mickey mouse gloves in pes, and i said almost, because nothing can beat those gloves.
 
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You could have atleast spoilered those pics Placebo!

DrForce said:
And to say there is a huge difference between the two is just BS
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Oke, so whats the next step up, gigantic? ;)
 
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theCRO said:
Ivica Olic vs. Kazakhstan, slide shot straight at the goalie, sliding in from the left, swinging his foot when sliding, striking with the instep and driving it diagonal across the goal. What the heck are you on about, that happens 2-3 times in every football match, just isn't neccessarily a shot, could be a tackle, a 50-50 ball etc.

It's sometimes struck with the instep, sometimes with the full foot. That body angle, ball roation and speed couple=d with a swinging lunge of the right foot can easily result in the kind of pace, trajectory and swerve we see from that attempt. This is 25 years of watching, 20 years of playing with 21 National Futsal Team callups talking.
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I think it was the fact that the player made that shot with a straight leg and no swinging motion. As long as you swing your leg it's possible to hit a ball hard, but when you stretch the leg forward and get a toe on it, with basically a completely outstreched leg, you'd probably assume the programmers would tone down the power for that particular shot. Just because it is possible to get a powerful shot from a sliding tackle type shot, the shot in the video wasn't one of them. The power doesn't match the particular animation used. :)
 
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Placebo said:
Funnily enough I thought this was the PES thread.........
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You should have learned better by now. ;))

Guys, we've already stopped one political debate and threatened bans because of it, so give it a rest or bans will be handed out!
 
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goalgerd said:
wenb podcast up

http://www.zshare.net/audio/192305767ab609d3/

sounds like they flogging a dead horse
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I'm glad he's not trying to sell my house...he's trying to big it up but just cant..even he has said if you are expecting a massive improvement basically you will be dissapointed..if you are expecting an improvement from 2008 then you'll be happy..PES 2008.5 it is
 
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Strange that there isn't a lot of news coming through...We're three weeks away from release and we still have a lot of questions concerning licences, game modes etc...I've seen some shoddy PR in my life, but the twats at Cunami take the cake...
 
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