PES 2009 General Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA TALK OR POLITICAL CHAT)

[drekkard]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

They should fire Seabass, hire new people with new ideas and INVEST some of the money the earn, even if t's only 10% of their benefit I'm sure it would be far more than what they spend right now in the real process of making the game.

And if I give them 1 euro, then maybe they have more resources to spend on PR than they've spent in the last 2 years.

 

[pjft]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

I don't think they did. They said long term they were looking at redoing everything with a new larger team etc, but they wouldn't be able to change too much for the next version

Actually, complementing this statament, he also said that the modes for 2009 were almost fully finished. I sincerely don't think that one can interpret "Oh, 2009 is already finish, they are going to the drawing board for 2009".

Nonetheless, I don't see what's the problem. Some complain they haven't gone back to the drawing board, others complain that they have gone back to PES5... Then people complain about them not listening to fans, yet when they give us tools for editing such as the face-mapping tools and the crowd chants this year... Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback.

The ignore of fans feedback it is not new. It comes from a few years ago and even in those times the games were good.

Probably Seabass and their teammates should be less arrogant and try to realise they are not the center of the world.

The ignore the fans feedback is an utter lie. He actually took the feedback list from one of the interviews - I'd say WENB and/or Level7 with them, he didn't say a thing such as "oh, we can't take it".

KONAMI as a corporation doesn't take feedback from people through their website - and we don't know whether or not they take it through any other way. This has been explained in the past, and it's mainly because of avoiding copyright and lawsuit issues. Imagine that someone suggests something to them that either:

a) is being done by someone else, but they are not aware of;
b) is patented, or in the process of being patented;
c) they have actually thought of it already and are doing it.

This has serious repercussions, both legal as well as PR and marketing-wise.

Do not make this something such as "Oh, Seabass is arrogant because he doesn't want to acknowledge fan feedback".

If he wouldn't acknowledge it, would they have gone back to a slower PES? how would they have known that people didn't like its pace? How would they have known which PES version was the fans' favourite, in order to base it on? Why would they bring back the complete edit mode from PS2? Why would they have the crowd chants in it?

Let them do their job. Sure, let the first one of you who wants to say something like "if they listen to it, then why do they keep removing stuff that we like" step up front.

It might not be going at a pace that you'd like, but they are going somewhere. The next-gen game(s) were NOT created based on the PS2's PES6, remember that. Even the XBox360's PES6 (which I have a hard time considering a next-gen attempt at a game, even though I respect those who think that) didn't have an Edit mode, if I'm not mistaken. That game was built amost out of nothing, to fill Microsoft's shoes with a Konami soccer game for Christmas. That's why there was no PS3 version of it, also - remember that shoddy "exclusivity deal"?

PES2008 was built on PES6 for the Xbox360, and they did a great job of changing much of the engine to a next-gen standard - I hear no one saying that PES2008 resembles PES6 on the 360 in any way. They added most of the features that many people missed, as well as some other surprises such as the face-mapping tool - which, to this day, still doesn't exist on FIFA. Not an attack by any mean, I'm just trying to point out that if it was an easy thing to replicate, and didn't involve lots of work, it would surely have been in it by now.

So let's see what this PES2009 delivers, and then we'll be able to judge it. Let them take it at their own pace: they don't owe you ANYTHING, you're NOT forced to buy the game every year.

But please, don't just stare at videos and start bitching about the way it moves or that it is PES2008 without having played it.

By the way, I haven't played it to know that its pace and feel is like PEs5. I'm just basing this on most of the playtests I read through.

This is not directed to twoodster nor Putuco Malo, by any means. It's just my elaboration on their quotes.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares

 

[Jess]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

:applaud:

Top post Paulo.

 

[Kashinoda]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Actually, complementing this statament, he also said that the modes for 2009 were almost fully finished. I sincerely don't think that one can interpret "Oh, 2009 is already finish, they are going to the drawing board for 2009".

Nonetheless, I don't see what's the problem. Some complain they haven't gone back to the drawing board, others complain that they have gone back to PES5... Then people complain about them not listening to fans, yet when they give us tools for editing such as the face-mapping tools and the crowd chants this year... Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback.




The ignore the fans feedback is an utter lie. He actually took the feedback list from one of the interviews - I'd say WENB and/or Level7 with them, he didn't say a thing such as "oh, we can't take it".

KONAMI as a corporation doesn't take feedback from people through their website - and we don't know whether or not they take it through any other way. This has been explained in the past, and it's mainly because of avoiding copyright and lawsuit issues. Imagine that someone suggests something to them that either:

a) is being done by someone else, but they are not aware of;
b) is patented, or in the process of being patented;
c) they have actually thought of it already and are doing it.

This has serious repercussions, both legal as well as PR and marketing-wise.

Do not make this something such as "Oh, Seabass is arrogant because he doesn't want to acknowledge fan feedback".

If he wouldn't acknowledge it, would they have gone back to a slower PES? how would they have known that people didn't like its pace? How would they have known which PES version was the fans' favourite, in order to base it on? Why would they bring back the complete edit mode from PS2? Why would they have the crowd chants in it?

Let them do their job. Sure, let the first one of you who wants to say something like "if they listen to it, then why do they keep removing stuff that we like" step up front.

It might not be going at a pace that you'd like, but they are going somewhere. The next-gen game(s) were NOT created based on the PS2's PES6, remember that. Even the XBox360's PES6 (which I have a hard time considering a next-gen attempt at a game, even though I respect those who think that) didn't have an Edit mode, if I'm not mistaken. That game was built amost out of nothing, to fill Microsoft's shoes with a Konami soccer game for Christmas. That's why there was no PS3 version of it, also - remember that shoddy "exclusivity deal"?

PES2008 was built on PES6 for the Xbox360, and they did a great job of changing much of the engine to a next-gen standard - I hear no one saying that PES2008 resembles PES6 on the 360 in any way. They added most of the features that many people missed, as well as some other surprises such as the face-mapping tool - which, to this day, still doesn't exist on FIFA. Not an attack by any mean, I'm just trying to point out that if it was an easy thing to replicate, and didn't involve lots of work, it would surely have been in it by now.

So let's see what this PES2009 delivers, and then we'll be able to judge it. Let them take it at their own pace: they don't owe you ANYTHING, you're NOT forced to buy the game every year.

But please, don't just stare at videos and start bitching about the way it moves or that it is PES2008 without having played it.

By the way, I haven't played it to know that its pace and feel is like PEs5. I'm just basing this on most of the playtests I read through.

This is not directed to twoodster nor Putuco Malo, by any means. It's just my elaboration on their quotes.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares

That is the best post of this entire thread.

Well Said.

:w00t:

 

[airjoca]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

They added most of the features that many people missed, as well as some other surprises such as the face-mapping tool - which, to this day, still doesn't exist on FIFA. Not an attack by any mean, I'm just trying to point out that if it was an easy thing to replicate, and didn't involve lots of work, it would surely have been in it by now.

The way faces are done in PES makes it easier to use such a feature. FIFA faces are 3d, which makes face mapping with an image file harder. I remember EA games having that in the past though. I remember putting my face on NBALive 2000 if I remember correctly, so it's nothing special...

 

[gerd]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

And if I give them 1 euro, then maybe they have more resources to spend on PR than they've spent in the last 2 years.

drekkard, i know you as a sensible person.
You don't believe that yourself, do you ???
Actually Konami spent a lot of money on PR, but they should hire a new PR department.

 

[Dr Force]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Actually, complementing this statament, he also said that the modes for 2009 were almost fully finished. I sincerely don't think that one can interpret "Oh, 2009 is already finish, they are going to the drawing board for 2009".

Nonetheless, I don't see what's the problem. Some complain they haven't gone back to the drawing board, others complain that they have gone back to PES5... Then people complain about them not listening to fans, yet when they give us tools for editing such as the face-mapping tools and the crowd chants this year... Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback.




The ignore the fans feedback is an utter lie. He actually took the feedback list from one of the interviews - I'd say WENB and/or Level7 with them, he didn't say a thing such as "oh, we can't take it".

KONAMI as a corporation doesn't take feedback from people through their website - and we don't know whether or not they take it through any other way. This has been explained in the past, and it's mainly because of avoiding copyright and lawsuit issues. Imagine that someone suggests something to them that either:

a) is being done by someone else, but they are not aware of;
b) is patented, or in the process of being patented;
c) they have actually thought of it already and are doing it.

This has serious repercussions, both legal as well as PR and marketing-wise.

Do not make this something such as "Oh, Seabass is arrogant because he doesn't want to acknowledge fan feedback".

If he wouldn't acknowledge it, would they have gone back to a slower PES? how would they have known that people didn't like its pace? How would they have known which PES version was the fans' favourite, in order to base it on? Why would they bring back the complete edit mode from PS2? Why would they have the crowd chants in it?

Let them do their job. Sure, let the first one of you who wants to say something like "if they listen to it, then why do they keep removing stuff that we like" step up front.

It might not be going at a pace that you'd like, but they are going somewhere. The next-gen game(s) were NOT created based on the PS2's PES6, remember that. Even the XBox360's PES6 (which I have a hard time considering a next-gen attempt at a game, even though I respect those who think that) didn't have an Edit mode, if I'm not mistaken. That game was built amost out of nothing, to fill Microsoft's shoes with a Konami soccer game for Christmas. That's why there was no PS3 version of it, also - remember that shoddy "exclusivity deal"?

PES2008 was built on PES6 for the Xbox360, and they did a great job of changing much of the engine to a next-gen standard - I hear no one saying that PES2008 resembles PES6 on the 360 in any way. They added most of the features that many people missed, as well as some other surprises such as the face-mapping tool - which, to this day, still doesn't exist on FIFA. Not an attack by any mean, I'm just trying to point out that if it was an easy thing to replicate, and didn't involve lots of work, it would surely have been in it by now.

So let's see what this PES2009 delivers, and then we'll be able to judge it. Let them take it at their own pace: they don't owe you ANYTHING, you're NOT forced to buy the game every year.

But please, don't just stare at videos and start bitching about the way it moves or that it is PES2008 without having played it.

By the way, I haven't played it to know that its pace and feel is like PEs5. I'm just basing this on most of the playtests I read through.

This is not directed to twoodster nor Putuco Malo, by any means. It's just my elaboration on their quotes.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares

Poetry Paulo.............pure poetry.

A mgnificent post amongst a thread full of bitching about what people beleive they are owed.

we all want value for money and we want it fast but consider this as Konami's 3rd next gen attempt and FIFA's 7th then they are not doing too bad.

I'm glad its gone back to its routes with a decent edit mode, face mapping,mp3 editing,better graphics and be a legnd mode, all thrown in for good measure.

I will not complain about the lack of effort this year, I think they have given it a go in the last 11 months and it's starting to show IMO.Forget the other game ( I will not mention its name in fear of having my post deleted) because they have always been radically different and still are.

I find PES far more satisfying and fun to play in comparison to the other game and thats what I judge money well spent on.

 

[zeemeister]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

@drekkard If KONAMI fire Seabass EA would snap him up before you can say garden gloves.

BTW the man is somewhat of a legend when it comes to developing football games. Heck he might know a little more than you lads sitting infront of your PCs.

Also there seems to be a little confusion when it comes to stating opinion and fact. Opinions are based on what you percieve - facts are truths based on hard evidence such as measured figures etc.

Here is a quick example-

Fact: Seabass and his team are responsible for establishing a highly respected franchise inspite of a smaller team and budget. EA have buried many other with their financial clout.

Opinion: Seaturd is a prick.

 

[sando]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

@Paulo: a good word.

 

[Nick Cave]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

@drekkard If KONAMI fire Seabass EA would snap him up before you can say garden gloves.

 

[sindii]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

pjft, great intelligent post. People don't realise they may be starting lots of things from scratch and the improvement from pes6 to pes2008 on 360 was considerable.

My problems is simple features taken out and stuff like not adding in more tournament modes and maybe the old scneario mode. Even i can program those type of things and they would only take a few hours to code for the guys at konami.

If it's even as good as pes5 i will honestly be ok as it's progress for the nexgen, hopefully they will build from there.

 

[SaintScott]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Actually, complementing this statement, he also said that the modes for 2009 were almost fully finished. I sincerely don't think that one can interpret "Oh, 2009 is already finish, they are going to the drawing board for 2009".

That's interesting actually, because when I read the original statement about "the PES2009 modes being complete" I read it as them already having starting development on a NEW build for PES2009, rather than that the old modes were already determined and that they'd come too far to change anything for October 2008 even in September 2007. With hindsight I can see your interpretation is right, but it was certainly implied strongly enough by the writer that the change would be seen this year, even though reading those comments now it's vague enough not to be.

That they couldn't change gear over a year away from the PES2009 release is either an indication of a bloated organisation (which implies too many staff, which I don't think is true from other things I've heard) or a problem with managing the implementation of new developments.

It might also explain why so little seems to have changed this year - if some resources are now working on a new engine instead. But this is all speculation dependent on what happens NEXT year, and I had enough of that last year !

Nonetheless, I don't see what's the problem. Some complain they haven't gone back to the drawing board, others complain that they have gone back to PES5... Then people complain about them not listening to fans, yet when they give us tools for editing such as the face-mapping tools and the crowd chants this year... Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback.

Let them do their job. Sure, let the first one of you who wants to say something like "if they listen to it, then why do they keep removing stuff that we like" step up front.

I don't think it's a contradiction that some want progress and others like PES5 gameplay. Pretty much everyone agrees they want something that plays like PES5 (I prefer WE10) but looks like Next Gen and has next gen features. Equally there are so many instances of what MANY fans want, and features that were implemented and then removed [did I just step up there? ], which WERE simple to implement and that people liked, that it IS reasonable to doubt Konami's commitment to addressing fan feedback and opinion.

The ignore the fans feedback is an utter lie. He actually took the feedback list from one of the interviews - I'd say WENB and/or Level7 with them, he didn't say a thing such as "oh, we can't take it".

KONAMI as a corporation doesn't take feedback from people through their website - and we don't know whether or not they take it through any other way. This has been explained in the past, and it's mainly because of avoiding copyright and lawsuit issues. Imagine that someone suggests something to them that either:

a) is being done by someone else, but they are not aware of;
b) is patented, or in the process of being patented;
c) they have actually thought of it already and are doing it.

This has serious repercussions, both legal as well as PR and marketing-wise.

Do not make this something such as "Oh, Seabass is arrogant because he doesn't want to acknowledge fan feedback".

If he wouldn't acknowledge it, would they have gone back to a slower PES? how would they have known that people didn't like its pace? How would they have known which PES version was the fans' favourite, in order to base it on? Why would they bring back the complete edit mode from PS2? Why would they have the crowd chants in it?

My big question about the legality/copyright issues is "so how do EA do it ?". It's not about legal muscle and forcing people to sign away their ideas, someone who submits an idea to a website is putting it in the public domain and loses any right they have to "copyright". You want a copyright on an idea, get a Patent and then don't give it away for free. All they need is something in the website terms and conditions saying "you submit it, it's ours to use" and they're covered.

I think a lot of the issue with fan feedback isn't so much taking ideas on board, it's a lack of transparency for decision-making - people WANT to know why shirts can't be set untucked in edit mode when they could in PES5. They want to know whose idea the thudding ball and grey goalposts were. The company works in software, you'd think they'd be a little more media savvy than just having maximum secrecy and very poorly co-ordinated PR leaks. I hate to use EA as a model for this kind of thing after their 10 years of crappy versions, but they've got back in the game (sorry!) by using fans as focus groups and testing on their customers (and before release, unlike the PES2008 online Beta I paid £40 for last year).

After all, if they make the game everyone wants to buy because we've told them what we want, they make shedloads of cash. But of course then the NEXT year they have to work that much harder to top it. Take out a feature here and there and ignore that it existed for a year or two and that's an easy win. With more transparency that kind of trick would get the derision it deserves.

It might not be going at a pace that you'd like, but they are going somewhere. The next-gen game(s) were NOT created based on the PS2's PES6, remember that. Even the XBox360's PES6 (which I have a hard time considering a next-gen attempt at a game, even though I respect those who think that) didn't have an Edit mode, if I'm not mistaken. That game was built amost out of nothing, to fill Microsoft's shoes with a Konami soccer game for Christmas. That's why there was no PS3 version of it, also - remember that shoddy "exclusivity deal"?

PES2008 was built on PES6 for the Xbox360, and they did a great job of changing much of the engine to a next-gen standard - I hear no one saying that PES2008 resembles PES6 on the 360 in any way. They added most of the features that many people missed, as well as some other surprises such as the face-mapping tool - which, to this day, still doesn't exist on FIFA. Not an attack by any mean, I'm just trying to point out that if it was an easy thing to replicate, and didn't involve lots of work, it would surely have been in it by now.

I'm not knocking some of the progress that has been made on the game so far, the face editor is a decent idea that almost worked in implementation, and certain tweaks like more frequent overhead kicks in PES2008 were an improvement. Unfortunately I didn't get to see much because the rest of it was flawed. It wasn't right last year and the lack of feedback from Konami a year after selling a below-par game smacks of arrogance - and will only be disproved by PES2009 being a much improved game, justifying Konami's focus on change not publicity.

So let's see what this PES2009 delivers, and then we'll be able to judge it. Let them take it at their own pace: they don't owe you ANYTHING, you're NOT forced to buy the game every year.

But please, don't just stare at videos and start bitching about the way it moves or that it is PES2008 without having played it.

By the way, I haven't played it to know that its pace and feel is like PEs5. I'm just basing this on most of the playtests I read through.

This is not directed to twoodster nor Putuco Malo, by any means. It's just my elaboration on their quotes.

Best regards,
Paulo Tavares

Certainly I won't have a final opinion on PES2009 until I play it, so we agree on that much - but I can see why some people who can construct a coherent argument rather than just "LOLZ PES SUCKZ" are critical without having actually played it. Hopefully they'll be wrong though. We all want it to be excellent, but I think some people are just less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt this year after being let down last time.

The only tangible bottom line in this argument is sales, and I for one will be trying before I buy, compared to last year, when I bought the damn thing at midnight on release day.

Konami has lost a lot of goodwill, and it's not that surprising there's some negative feedback. I hope it's a great game, one worthy of the name, but I understand the critics and some of their justifications.

Hello ? Anyone still there ?

 

[Punzz]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

"Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback."

I'm sorry but when have the Konami developers ever come out and said 'this year the game plays like PES5 because we all know you loved that game'

They simply changed the pace of the game because last year was ridiculous. The PES5 statement came along because one of the Konami EU staff mentioned to suffwan or someone from WENB that the games pace is similar to PES5.

As for this so called patent talk, it doesn't fly with me.

You're right though, they don't owe us anything. In saying that though, if they want to better their game then I'm sure reading through european gamers opinions could give them a different spin on everything.

Another thing. I read they've limited the import chant option to 1 chant per team, does that still stand? I won't be too happy if thats still the case

 

[Nick Cave]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Spoiler

Actually, complementing this statament, he also said that the modes for 2009 were almost fully finished. I sincerely don't think that one can interpret "Oh, 2009 is already finish, they are going to the drawing board for 2009".

Nonetheless, I don't see what's the problem. Some complain they haven't gone back to the drawing board, others complain that they have gone back to PES5... Then people complain about them not listening to fans, yet when they give us tools for editing such as the face-mapping tools and the crowd chants this year... Then they go back to PES5 because it's a fan favourite, but still they hate you and all the fans' feedback.
Nice post but I'm afraid this is a forum, a place for people to post their opinions good or bad, it is not sponsored or run by Konami, it has no bias or affiliation with them or EA, posts on here do not have to be balanced or hsve some kind of agender.





The ignore the fans feedback is an utter lie. He actually took the feedback list from one of the interviews - I'd say WENB and/or Level7 with them, he didn't say a thing such as "oh, we can't take it".

KONAMI as a corporation doesn't take feedback from people through their website - and we don't know whether or not they take it through any other way. This has been explained in the past, and it's mainly because of avoiding copyright and lawsuit issues. Imagine that someone suggests something to them that either:

a) is being done by someone else, but they are not aware of;
b) is patented, or in the process of being patented;
c) they have actually thought of it already and are doing it.

This has serious repercussions, both legal as well as PR and marketing-wise.

Do not make this something such as "Oh, Seabass is arrogant because he doesn't want to acknowledge fan feedback".

If he wouldn't acknowledge it, would they have gone back to a slower PES? how would they have known that people didn't like its pace? How would they have known which PES version was the fans' favourite, in order to base it on? Why would they bring back the complete edit mode from PS2? Why would they have the crowd chants in it?

Let them do their job. Sure, let the first one of you who wants to say something like "if they listen to it, then why do they keep removing stuff that we like" step up front.

It might not be going at a pace that you'd like, but they are going somewhere. The next-gen game(s) were NOT created based on the PS2's PES6, remember that. Even the XBox360's PES6 (which I have a hard time considering a next-gen attempt at a game, even though I respect those who think that) didn't have an Edit mode, if I'm not mistaken. That game was built amost out of nothing, to fill Microsoft's shoes with a Konami soccer game for Christmas. That's why there was no PS3 version of it, also - remember that shoddy "exclusivity deal"?

PES2008 was built on PES6 for the Xbox360, and they did a great job of changing much of the engine to a next-gen standard - I hear no one saying that PES2008 resembles PES6 on the 360 in any way. They added most of the features that many people missed, as well as some other surprises such as the face-mapping tool - which, to this day, still doesn't exist on FIFA. Not an attack by any mean, I'm just trying to point out that if it was an easy thing to replicate, and didn't involve lots of work, it would surely have been in it by now.

So let's see what this PES2009 delivers, and then we'll be able to judge it. Let them take it at their own pace: they don't owe you ANYTHING, you're NOT forced to buy the game every year.

But please, don't just stare at videos and start bitching about the way it moves or that it is PES2008 without having played it.

By the way, I haven't played it to know that its pace and feel is like PEs5. I'm just basing this on most of the playtests I read through.

This is not directed to twoodster nor Putuco Malo, by any means. It's just my elaboration on their quotes.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares

I think it's a nice post and very polite as all ways but the whole reason for this forum is to hear and post opinions, good bad or just plain wrong in some cases. Yes Konami like EA and all other gaming companies are there to make money, they can produce whatever they want and sell us a half eaten bacon sandwich in an old bake bean can if they like, and people can come in here claiming it's the best half eaten bacon sandwich ever but they should have put Messi on the tin,If you buy it fine if not OK.

Members and guests can post whatever they like as long as they follow the site rules. I really don't get some of these preachy posts, why come in here if you take offence to negative comments or find the whole thing trivial, the people who come in spouting third world famine and how everything is far more important than a game just amaze me.
I don't know SB or Konami and so could not possibly comment on what they know, think or give a monkeys left nut about, but I like (liked) PES so I joined the best forum I could find :blush: and liked it so much I'm still here.
This forum thrives on comment, negative or otherwise, if I see something posted I don't agree with I comment or post my opinions, I don't expect everyone to agree or suddenly see sense and think hang on I have a life and a mortgage and I'm in here moaning about a bloody game. I come in here because it's fun, I don't come in here to change the world or to be lectured or lecture. If konami release videos, they do so for a reason, to then say we must not comment on them is crazy, what are people supposed to do...?

I've gone on longer than I wanted and I'd like to add this is not a comment aimed at Paulo who makes more sense than most and puts far more time and effort into his posts than me, more at similar posts and some people who like to get on high horses and play moral and intellect cards, very ironically in a football game forum... :-pp

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Good post PJFT,

Although I would say their approachability (sp?) is very poor. Everyone has the impression that they suit themselves and mainly design for the jap market. Whether that's true or not is another matter, but they really don't help themselves. The PR is shoddy at best.

we all want value for money and we want it fast but consider this as Konami's 3rd next gen attempt and FIFA's 7th then they are not doing too bad.

Oh not that again.......they both have had the same amount of time with the consoles, EA choose to invest Konami didnt, or very little in comparison. That's why there is a huge difference, not because of the amount of releases within the same time span. In fact you could argue that releasing too many versions causes the evolution to stiffle. Something thats been aimed at Konami quite often.
Same old story really, same arguments used but it defends Konami and attacks EA, :lol:

 

[pjft]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

I apologize for not replying to all those posts yet, I read all of the replies to my post, and I do agree with most of them, especially the differences in "approachability" between Konami and EA, for sure. Still, I'm leaving work right now, I'll reply later this evening or tomorrow morning, promise

I just wanted to reply to this:

The way faces are done in PES makes it easier to use such a feature. FIFA faces are 3d, which makes face mapping with an image file harder. I remember EA games having that in the past though. I remember putting my face on NBALive 2000 if I remember correctly, so it's nothing special...

This is simply wrong. Are you saying PES's faces 2D? Are you serious?

I'm glad there are more examples of face-mapping techniques - even though in NBA Live 2000, how did you put your picture in the console, out of honest curiosity? I'm just asking 'cause I wasn't expecting such an old game to have something like that.

Nonetheless, I don't see why the fact that they used to have it and now they don't have it makes it "nothing special".

How about a different approach to it: the fact that now you have loads of more polygons to map the face into makes it harder to do it than in the old NBA Live 2000 days? Does that still make it "nothing special"?

Is it hard for you to reckon that it is a nice feature that they have here? If it were so common and so "nothing special", then I bet we'd have it in every FPS, shoot'em-up, MMORPG and the likes.

But then again, I guess they don't want to have it, because it's nothing special. Surely, it's more interesting for each player to choose a face from a set of predefined ones, instead of being able to take a picture of his own face and put it in the game. Sigh.

Best regards,

Paulo Tavares

 

[donthomasso66]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Im not so sure we would like a complete new version of pes .Because i think in this old engine that we are so familiar with the true pes feeling lives,that make us want to play the game that we both love and hate.
They need to polish it more than they do thats for sure ,but for pes 2009 i think they have done more than they usually do and if the game still include the magic formula that makes every october christmas for many of us
Then i know that i will be wery happy and i will probably play and enjoy the game intil the next version hopefully amaze me even more .
Pes have over the year given me so much more fun than any other game even come close to, and i really hope they are back on track again after a not so great pes 2008

 

[reddevils]

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Whats so good about the face mapping feature? :| its pointless for people who dont have a vision cam or eye toy (majority)

i would much rather see them fix the retarded animation and the keepers

 

[Ave10]

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Ronaldo's nike boots are confirmed and also many other nike, adidas and puma boots. when you see replays they wont be close ups but will include a more tv camera feel.

 

[-dragonskin-]

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KONAMI as a corporation doesn't take feedback from people through their website - and we don't know whether or not they take it through any other way.

They suggested the suggestions thing on PESFan, so there's one way

But they can't admit using someone's idea as people in the past, who've sent suggestions to Konami one way or another, have written to them and demanded money.

 

[Dr Force]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

Good post PJFT,

Although I would say their approachability (sp?) is very poor. Everyone has the impression that they suit themselves and mainly design for the jap market. Whether that's true or not is another matter, but they really don't help themselves. The PR is shoddy at best.



Oh not that again.......they both have had the same amount of time with the consoles, EA choose to invest Konami didnt, or very little in comparison. That's why there is a huge difference, not because of the amount of releases within the same time span. In fact you could argue that releasing too many versions causes the evolution to stiffle. Something thats been aimed at Konami quite often.
Same old story really, same arguments used but it defends Konami and attacks EA, :lol:

Whose having a go at EA???

Whose defending Konami???

I am not sure your post carries anything but comedy trying to derive favouritism from my comment about the number of release.

So its taken EA all those attempts and all your money to get from RTFWC to FIFA09 yet this is Konami's 3rd attempt, yes they have chosen not to invest hence its only no 3 but EA have made more games so you would expect them to be further on.

Is that difficult to understand?

Simple fact is, for all EA's millions spent on the game, they are not millions of pounds infront, if at all apart from graphically ( no change there then). Give konami EA's yearly budget and you may see a huge marketing campaign etc.

And to say there is a huge difference between the two is just BS

 

[BillyBoy]

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I certainly would not like a 'PES 5 in HD'. Dont get me wrong past PES games have been exceptional (apart from 2008 on 360/PS3). With the advancements made with the next gen consoles in regards to the technology, I have been expecting a brand new PES that is closer to a football simulation for the last 3 years. Sadly while PES 2009 does look better than its predecessor it doesnt seem to have changed much. I hope that PES 2010 is a fresh experience.

 

[Placebo]

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This is simply wrong. Are you saying PES's faces 2D? Are you serious?

They're obviously 3d, but they're 3d in the absolute loosest sense of the word possible, that's why they've suddenly gone from being the best representations of Footballer's faces possible to being the grotesque objects of ridicule that they are now in comparison to the faces of other next gen™ sports games.

Whats so good about the face mapping feature? :| its pointless for people who dont have a vision cam or eye toy (majority)

If it's anything like gameface of Tiger Woods it would be awesome to have it in Fifa/PES, imagine being able to create real faces from photographs of the beloved players on our team that have generic faces, dunno if you've tried tiger woods 08/09 but the quality of the faces that it creates are really good, this is very poor quality but it's the photo of myself that I used for Tiger Woods 08 with the ingame face it created next to it:

 

[Zakov]

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wow, that is quality, but the 3d render is a bit too pinkish.

 

[Honome]

Re: PES 2009 News Discussion & Rumours (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS)

I think the best Konami move for 2010 is to hire Paulo Tavares as their new PR!

 

[Emanuel]

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We should wait until get the gamepad on our hands and actually PLAY THE GAME. Talking about videos is no sense, since PES key is gameplay. We never had great animations and atmosphere. It´s all about gameplay, wich makes you forget the rest (animations, atmosphere, faces, boots, etc)

I just want that in PES 2009 there aren´t X-MEN players (Zlatan, Adriano). I hope teamwork is back (that´s the reason why I played previous PES editions). If X-MEN company stills in the game I will play FIFA again this year. At least the goals appear after a nice build up. Not only run with zlatan or ronaldinho.

 

[Placebo]

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wow, that is quality, but the 3d render is a bit too pinkish.

Yeah they do come out a little bit pink but you can easily workaround that by reducing the pink on the actual photo

 

[bonjovifan]

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wow, that is quality, but the 3d render is a bit too pinkish.

Probably just the fact he took a photograph of the actual TV screen.

I did one myself and it came out great and not overly pink.

 

[Putuco Malo]

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To Paulo:

Good post mate. I can say a lot of things, but I wont post a lot. Just a few things:

- We have had the same number of teams/leagues (even less, Bundesliga anyone?) from PES4... we are talking 4 YEARS WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OR SIMILAR OF TEAMS/LEAGUES!!! ¬¬
- Changes between years are minimal. They cannot change easy things like penalties or free kicks, which honestly suck big time for me.
- Nets, sandbags, garden gloves... probably not so important details, but shows a complete lazyness making the game. Details count for a lot of people.

The part of your post which I most agree is the one when you say that you are free to buy it. I still buy it and I like it a lot, but that does not mean that I dont see any mistakes that MUST be fixed. And they are so clear that you feel piss off when you see they are not fixed.

I just want that in PES 2009 there aren´t X-MEN players (Zlatan, Adriano).

Perfect example of a TERRIBLE ERROR in the game that it was not fixed from PES6. Do you see what I mean?

 

[winston]

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Wow, the one on the right looks almost life-like! Not so sure about the one on the left...is it a PS2 graphic?

Any word on a demo date for PES2009? This thread has become unreadable for occassional drop-inners like myself.