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Microsoft has explained its full policies on Xbox One’s internet requirements, used game policies, transfers to friends, Kinect functionality and much more.

Always Online
As explained by Microsoft, “Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play—no more waiting for updates. While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.”
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You can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console.
“With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."
Microsoft added "because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you’re not playing."

Used Games and Giving Games to Friends
Microsoft also spelled out its policies on game lending, trade-ins and rentals. "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends."
“We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.”
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You can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
Microsoft says "your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you." The company added that “Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”
It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them. Microsoft added that "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

However, anyone can play games using your console. "Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games," Microsoft says. "Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."
Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One." Similar to Xbox 360, "a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."
Game Installations and Digital Downloads
Microsoft says "you’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly."
Players will be able to access their library from other consoles. "After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games."
Kinect Requirements
According to Xbox's official site, "at Microsoft, we prioritize your privacy. We understand that your personal data and privacy are important. Xbox One and Kinect will provide tools to put you in control of your data."
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At Microsoft, we prioritize your privacy. You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear.
Microsoft stresses that "you are in control of what Kinect can see and hear. By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."

Players will also control whether Kinect is on, off or paused. "If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say 'Xbox Off.' When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- 'Xbox On,' and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."
Your personal data will never be available to anyone outside of your console, Microsoft stressed. "You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission."
After explaining these policies, Microsoft explained that "as we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons."
"In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies," Microsoft concluded. "We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans."

Now it's your turn Sony everyone's saying Sony will win next gen but Sony have a lot of explaining to do themselves.
 
It might be just because I've only just woken up but my head is struggling to actually comprehend that text in simple gaming terms.

24 checks for you on your own account
1 hour checks if someone else is using your account on a second console.

The lines about people having unlimited access to your data if they use your console.v don't get what they're trying to say here. So someone who turns my system on isn't blocked from playing anything I have on there? Why does this even need to be spoken about? What next, bragging that the joypads won't explode and that someone living with me won't be charged a fee if they walk in the room while I'm installing a game? I don't get it.

The trading games things just sounds even more confusing now. It's like they're saying there isn't a locked in system for all games. It's like it's just a case by case basis. But if that's true why all the nonsense a few weeks ago?


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Just re read the part about lending games to your friends. What they're saying is you can't.
You can GIVE a game away to a friend without them needing to pay a free. But once they get the game, that's it.
So you can't start a game, get bored, lend it to a friend, he finishes it and says that was awesome and then you decide to give it another try.


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Worst thing about sony's conference now is they'll end up spending half of it rambling on about vita and ps3 and then showing the ps4 console off before actually getting to the main event. It doesn't give them a lot of time to really go deep into how everything works.
 
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Now we need Rob to make a graph to explain!

But to put it simply, Microsoft are saying everything will be up to the publishers to decide regarding secondhand gaming. Microsoft are merely creating the infrastructure. And what the publisher decides can be one, or more of the following in the order below;

- Ban or allow secondhand gaming. (If they choose to allow 2nd hand gaming);
- Choose between a pay model, a limited free model (share with friends), completely free model (as it is now)

So we can expect the season pass to comeback in another form from EA.
 
I think they put the thing in that anybody can play your games on your xbox, because there were rumours along the lines of the kinect only letting you play your games, or if it sensed more than 3 people it wouldn't let you play....or something.

It is confusing though :PP
 
I got bored reading it after 10 sec, fuck u MS.

Keep it Simple, PS4.
 
To save you skimming large tracts of condescending prose about how much Microsoft loves and respects you as a human wallet, here is a summary:

You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
People can play games installed on your console whether you're logged in or not.
10 people can be authorised to play these games on a different Xbox One via the cloud, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
Publishers decide whether you can trade in your games and may charge for this.
Publishers decide whether you can give a game you own to someone for free, and this only works if they have been on your friends list for 30 days.
Your account allows you to play the games you license on any console.
Your Xbox One must connect to the internet every 24 hours to keep playing games.
When playing on another Xbox One with your account, this is reduced to one hour.
Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
Loaning and renting games will not be possible at launch, but Microsoft is "exploring the possibilities".
Microsoft may change these policies or discontinue them at any point.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile
 
Its silly, I will probably go for a PS4 next gen, mainly because In Israel they mainly play on PS3 etc and because it is just quite restrictive for the xbox one.

I like the sound of the Kinect stuff to be honest and the fact that you can do multiple things, but the whole gaming side seems restrictive (Apart from being able to play games on other xbox consoles)

I think they are shooting themselves in the foot in alot of respects. We will see.
 
I actually hate the whole idea of Kinect, it's never appealed to me in a gaming sense and now the whole issue of the camera always being on, listening and watching and relaying info so it can target advertising at me is a big no-no.

PS4 it is then. The only XB exclusive I'd miss is Forza but they can shove it up their jacksy if they wanna use this thing to target me with advertising.
 
How are Microsoft always so oblivious to what people want?
 
Placebo said:
Rumour is the PS4 camera won't be included it'll be an optional extra? That will hopefully bring the price down below the Xbone
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I've been thinking that surely the Xbone will be more expensive, with all the TV stuff, dual processors to run different multimedia and OS simultaneously, plus Kinect, surely the hardware has to be more expensive simply because there's more hardware involved?
 
"Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."

Thank you Microsoft. you are too kind!

Now go f*** yourselves.


Please, please, please Sony don't do this.
 
DagsJT said:
To save you skimming large tracts of condescending prose about how much Microsoft loves and respects you as a human wallet, here is a summary:

You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
I can still play them though so no issue at all with that.

Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
As above. As far as I'm concerned they are mine.

People can play games installed on your console whether you're logged in or not.
No difference to now.

10 people can be authorised to play these games on a different Xbox One via the cloud, but not at the same time, similar to iTunes authorised devices.
That hasn't been made clear from what I've read. It says... You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.) --- Makes it sound like you plus 1 to me. But if it is as you've suggested then it's no different to now when you have to have the disc (or 2 copies of the disc to play on a 2nd machine).

Publishers decide whether you can trade in your games and may charge for this.
Can't see publishers not doing this and they will only be taking a cut and that's fair enough imo.

Publishers decide whether you can give a game you own to someone for free, and this only works if they have been on your friends list for 30 days.
That doesn't really bother me.

Your account allows you to play the games you license on any console.
Good thing IMO.

Your Xbox One must connect to the internet every 24 hours to keep playing games.
No diff to me or anybody with Live now really but sympathise with others but it's not as if they can't have a next gen machine as they can just get a PS4. Same horse, different jockey.

When playing on another Xbox One with your account, this is reduced to one hour.
As above.

Live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies are exempt from these internet requirements.
Same as now.

Loaning and renting games will not be possible at launch, but Microsoft is "exploring the possibilities".
Awaiting more info then


Microsoft may change these policies or discontinue them at any point.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile
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Happy with some of those bits and the others don't bother me personally. Still more info needed and that will get cleared up as time goes by. From what I've read though, there isn't anything that upsets me and quite happy with what's been revealed. It will suit me and my kids so not going to go mental about anything like some people do around the web.
 
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airjoca said:
"Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."
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that's amazing, groundbreaking, refreshing, saves money and helps me find more friends. and more family. and be a better person.

wait.
 
You do not own the games you buy. You license them.
I can still play them though so no issue at all with that.

Discs are only used to install and then license games and do not imply ownership.
As above. As far as I'm concerned they are mine.
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You forgot a bit; "...untill Microsoft desides that they can't be bothered to support the license anymore. Then you are left with nothing as the game will no longer work."

(Similar to EA shutting down their servers for the older fifa's).

Your account allows you to play the games you license on any console.
Good thing IMO.
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Depends. If you have another xbone in the bedroom it's fine. However do you really think you will be able to play at a mates house if he has to download a 25gb game?
 
In x amount of years, when Microsoft will release a console (for instance Xbox Two lol), they will shut down the gaming servers of the xbox one rendering all the games bought useless.This concept of not owning your games is atrocious to me.
Surely between fighting piracy (which is their absolute right as they lose a lot of legitimate money) and destroying your honest customer base, Microsoft could have come up with a better and more balanced gaming system.
 
I can still blow on a SNES cartridge, plug it in and play it, or show it to my future children.

Those days will be gone with these new systems.
 
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