jmg721
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@ Gamingaccess - Did you really talk pound for pound and not mention Fedor 
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UFC 107
I thought the best fight of the night was Buentello v Struve, which is crazy considering the other fights.
Disappointed in Sanchez, he was just COMPLETELY outclassed and Penn hardly had a scratch on him at the end.
As Tim said, fair play to Mir. I don't like the guy much but that was some punch and a good submission. He was modest in his interview afterwards as well so good on him.
Fitch v Pierce was a rubbish fight I thought, nearly fell asleep during that one.
Good work by Florian as well. As soon as the fight started and Florian went low, I knew he'd prepared well for Guida. From then on, I was just waiting for Florian to finish him off. Guida is still quality though
Not a bad event but kinda disappointing as I hoped the fights would turn out better than they did. 108 doesn't look like a great card, not waking up at 3am for that one I think.
Disappointed in Sanchez, he was just COMPLETELY outclassed and Penn hardly had a scratch on him at the end.
As Tim said, fair play to Mir. I don't like the guy much but that was some punch and a good submission. He was modest in his interview afterwards as well so good on him.
Fitch v Pierce was a rubbish fight I thought, nearly fell asleep during that one.
Good work by Florian as well. As soon as the fight started and Florian went low, I knew he'd prepared well for Guida. From then on, I was just waiting for Florian to finish him off. Guida is still quality though
Not a bad event but kinda disappointing as I hoped the fights would turn out better than they did. 108 doesn't look like a great card, not waking up at 3am for that one I think.
OMG I think we're like long lost brothers or something as I am exactly the same! Was seriously close to falling asleep during the Fitch fight, and then saw the 108 advert and thought that isn't worth getting up at 3 for.
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gamingaccess
GamingAccess Community
Hmm, it's hard to compare Fedor to others
I think yeah he must be in the pound for pound top list
1) Anderson Silva
2) GSP
3) BJ
4) Fedor
Well, the problem is BJ has faced tough competition: Matt Hughes, GSP, Lyoto...
Fedor used to fight in dream so yeah he was up there
but now without fighting against Randy, or Frank Mir, or Brock, or any of those guys, how can you place him No 1?
I think yeah he must be in the pound for pound top list
1) Anderson Silva
2) GSP
3) BJ
4) Fedor
Well, the problem is BJ has faced tough competition: Matt Hughes, GSP, Lyoto...
Fedor used to fight in dream so yeah he was up there
but now without fighting against Randy, or Frank Mir, or Brock, or any of those guys, how can you place him No 1?
gamingaccess
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I wouldn't wake up for that one either, agreed
jmg721
League 1
Are you kidding? He would have distroyed Randy and Mir. Brock is such a beast that I wouldn't want to guess. Fedor dominated in PRIDE not Dream, and he dominated a heavyweight division that included Josh Barnett, Mirko Cro Cro(in his prime) & Nogueira(in his prime).
Not to mention he walks around at 233lbs, and could probably fight at 205 if he wanted to.
Here are some of his OTHER notible wins:
Brett Rogers
Andrei Arlovski
Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland
Mark Hunt
Mark Coleman
Kevin Randleman
And at least 2 giants
Of his last 8 fights he's won with:
Kimura, Armbar, TKO punches, KO punch, rear-naked choke, submission punches.
He has been given the best there is out there and has dominated them.
Now you want to compare with St. Pierre??
Okay, let's not forget that he has lost twice where Fedor has never lost. But outside of that he has impressive names.
BJ Penn & Matt Hughes are as impressive as Cro Cop and Nog. He gets no credit for beating Serra, because he made Serra a star by losing to him. He has beaten top contenders like Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck, Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg, Karo Parisyan.
If you are in a "what have you done for me lately" world....then yes St. Pierre recently has been impressive over good competition. He was fortunite to fight Hughes past his prime twice, and an out of shape BJ Penn, but has beaten the best they've offered him. Where Fedor has NEVER lost. In his last 3 fights he's distroyed 2 former UFC champs(Arlovski & Sylvia) and then beat one of the best heavyweight contenders out there in Brett Rogers. He will have no problem with Overreem or Verdum. It's not his fault there isn't more good talent out there not in the UFC. And there is really no one left to challenge St. Pierre. I don't see how you can really saw Fedor isn't pound for pound as good as anyone. Especially higher than BJ come on. He has put together nice wins over challenges but couldn't beat top fighters like Hughes, Machida & St. Pierre. Fedor has NEVER lost! Anderson silva has a great argument especially if he does well vs more guys at 205. My order right now would be:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
That's it for me. BJ is working his way up, and I'm not like Sherdog to give whomever has the belt in the light heavyweight as one of the best "pound for pound" The fact is Anderson Silva fights at two weight classes well, Fedor is almost always out sized it doesn't matter at all, GSP is afraid to go up to 185 as he thinks it would be too much of a disadvantage(eventhough he walks around at 205), BJ couldn't cut it at 170 so he dropped down to 155 and is doing well. Machida was from from impressive in his run for the belt, and for people to put him in the same area of the pound for pound list as Fedor is a joke to me. He has a couple nice wins, so do a lot of people. But he hasn't faced as hard of competition yet as Penn or Fedor, and he hasn't looked as good in his fights as Anderson Silva. What about guys like Aoki, he has losses but he fights in a different world where they don't fight every 6 months, and their goal is to entertain the crowd, and not just bore out a Win.
If you haven't noticed most lists are extremely UFC biased. Fedor is the man, and should never EVER be left off of a top 5 fighters list of any kind...even all-time.
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Not to mention he walks around at 233lbs, and could probably fight at 205 if he wanted to.
Here are some of his OTHER notible wins:
Brett Rogers
Andrei Arlovski
Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland
Mark Hunt
Mark Coleman
Kevin Randleman
And at least 2 giants
Of his last 8 fights he's won with:
Kimura, Armbar, TKO punches, KO punch, rear-naked choke, submission punches.
He has been given the best there is out there and has dominated them.
Now you want to compare with St. Pierre??
Okay, let's not forget that he has lost twice where Fedor has never lost. But outside of that he has impressive names.
BJ Penn & Matt Hughes are as impressive as Cro Cop and Nog. He gets no credit for beating Serra, because he made Serra a star by losing to him. He has beaten top contenders like Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck, Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg, Karo Parisyan.
If you are in a "what have you done for me lately" world....then yes St. Pierre recently has been impressive over good competition. He was fortunite to fight Hughes past his prime twice, and an out of shape BJ Penn, but has beaten the best they've offered him. Where Fedor has NEVER lost. In his last 3 fights he's distroyed 2 former UFC champs(Arlovski & Sylvia) and then beat one of the best heavyweight contenders out there in Brett Rogers. He will have no problem with Overreem or Verdum. It's not his fault there isn't more good talent out there not in the UFC. And there is really no one left to challenge St. Pierre. I don't see how you can really saw Fedor isn't pound for pound as good as anyone. Especially higher than BJ come on. He has put together nice wins over challenges but couldn't beat top fighters like Hughes, Machida & St. Pierre. Fedor has NEVER lost! Anderson silva has a great argument especially if he does well vs more guys at 205. My order right now would be:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
That's it for me. BJ is working his way up, and I'm not like Sherdog to give whomever has the belt in the light heavyweight as one of the best "pound for pound" The fact is Anderson Silva fights at two weight classes well, Fedor is almost always out sized it doesn't matter at all, GSP is afraid to go up to 185 as he thinks it would be too much of a disadvantage(eventhough he walks around at 205), BJ couldn't cut it at 170 so he dropped down to 155 and is doing well. Machida was from from impressive in his run for the belt, and for people to put him in the same area of the pound for pound list as Fedor is a joke to me. He has a couple nice wins, so do a lot of people. But he hasn't faced as hard of competition yet as Penn or Fedor, and he hasn't looked as good in his fights as Anderson Silva. What about guys like Aoki, he has losses but he fights in a different world where they don't fight every 6 months, and their goal is to entertain the crowd, and not just bore out a Win.
If you haven't noticed most lists are extremely UFC biased. Fedor is the man, and should never EVER be left off of a top 5 fighters list of any kind...even all-time.
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gamingaccess
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If you are in a "what have you done for me lately" world....then yes...
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I am that kind of guy
"what have you done for me lately"
Remember what Frank Mir said "Only losers thinking what ifs and could have beens"
I'm NOT SAYING that he isn't impressive, he is.
Mayweather has never lost however I don't consider him the No 1 in the world pound for pound.
If you stay away from the ring, that is what happens
You cannot compare Fedor to GSP IN TERMS of recent ring activity
GSP fought Thiago, Fitch, BJ...
BJ fought GSP, Sanchez, Joe Daddy, KenFlo
Anderson Silva fought at 205 and 185, and he dominates in such a way he's No1, no doubt about that
Fedor fought Rogers, and he's fighting once per year
I think he's impressive, but I guess mostly everyone agrees that to be in the pound for pound list, you have to fight often, and you have to fight the best of the best
I would like to see Fedor fight at 205 at UFC. He could fight vs Anderson Silva for the No 1 crown
However, if he demands a co-promotion, and wants half of the income of an entire event, that might be impossible
jmg721
League 1
Well that's not entirely accuracte. In 2004 he fought 5 times including 2 times vs Nog, Coleman, and Randleman. Plus he fought twice in one night.
Since then he has been less active but still fighting twice a year...including Rogers and Arlovski in 2009. Obviously he was dealing with contract issues that limited his exposure this year. How that makes him less of a top fighter...I don't know. I actually think Fedor might be past his prime, but its hard to tell because he still dominates everyone put in front of him.
since 2004:
BJ average only 2 matches a year
Since 2005:
GSP averages 2.25 matches a year
Anderson Silva 3 matches a year
Since 2007:
Aoki has fought 11 times (losing two of them)
So are we ranking by activity? Because Aoki has fought way harder competition at 155 than Penn has.
Oh yeah, I like how everyone thinks Rua beat Machida, but since the decision went to Machida...he is number 5 on a pound for pound list He wasn't even the best fighter at his weight class the last time he was in the ring. Obviously this is all opinion. But Fedor has NEVER been dominated, and has never lost. Penn has lost to GSP twice & Hughes once. Anderson Silva sucked in Pride, and you could question the level of competition as 185 has been the weakest UFC division for years. GSP lost to Hughes and Serra.
To not have Fedor 1 or 2 is definitely UFC bias. People who watched both UFC and Pride know what's up
Since then he has been less active but still fighting twice a year...including Rogers and Arlovski in 2009. Obviously he was dealing with contract issues that limited his exposure this year. How that makes him less of a top fighter...I don't know. I actually think Fedor might be past his prime, but its hard to tell because he still dominates everyone put in front of him.
since 2004:
BJ average only 2 matches a year
Since 2005:
GSP averages 2.25 matches a year
Anderson Silva 3 matches a year
Since 2007:
Aoki has fought 11 times
(losing two of them)So are we ranking by activity? Because Aoki has fought way harder competition at 155 than Penn has.
Oh yeah, I like how everyone thinks Rua beat Machida, but since the decision went to Machida...he is number 5 on a pound for pound list
He wasn't even the best fighter at his weight class the last time he was in the ring. Obviously this is all opinion. But Fedor has NEVER been dominated, and has never lost. Penn has lost to GSP twice & Hughes once. Anderson Silva sucked in Pride, and you could question the level of competition as 185 has been the weakest UFC division for years. GSP lost to Hughes and Serra. To not have Fedor 1 or 2 is definitely UFC bias. People who watched both UFC and Pride know what's up
gamingaccess
GamingAccess Community
Well, if Fedor is so impressive, let him fight in UFC, enough said
He was the best pound for pound a few years ago, no doubt about that
but with his co-promotion requirements it's impossible for the UFC to hire him
He was the best pound for pound a few years ago, no doubt about that
but with his co-promotion requirements it's impossible for the UFC to hire him
jmg721
League 1
Did you ever watch pride? It had more talent than UFC when they were co-existing. And until UFC developed Brock, the heavyweight division in the UFC was its weakest. Just because now there is Brock(who may or may not ever fight again), you are punishing Fedor's status because he doesn't fight in the UFC? I'm not a fan of that way of thinking. He isn't in the UFC for reasons beyond not wanting to fight "top level people", its politics. But as a heavyweight fighter right now there is more talent outside of the UFC than in it. UFC just did a show so they could add more experienced and up and comers to the mix at heavy weight. Because beyond Nog, Brock, Mir, Cain, Cro Cop & Carwin....they are thin. And Carwin and Cain have yet to really be tested. Outside UFC there is Sylvia, Rogers, Arlovski(all beaten recently by fedor), Overeem, Barnett, Rothwell, Verdum.
If Fedor beats Josh Barnett, then what are your thoughts? Because Barnett is clearly one of the best heavyweights right now in the world. If not for roids, they would have fought in July I think.
BTW, Brock is a threat for Fedor, but I think we are crowning him a little quick. He is a physical beast, but you realize his strategy isn't much different than Roy Nelson's on TUF He is 3-1 in the UFC beating Herring, Couture & Mir(after losing). He is dangerous because of his size advantage over Fedor. By fight time he would like have close to 50lbs on him!! So we are talking pound for pound, don't you think the fact that his biggest theoretical competition is THAT much bigger than him that he likely is a pound for pound champ. Especially if you consider Anderson & GSP walk around at least 20lbs more than they fight at.
You could play it out like this...
Who wins these fights:
BJ vs GSP (catchweight 162)
GSP vs Anderson Silva (catchweight 178)
Anderson Silva vs Fedor (catchweight 205)
Others can chime in here...
If Fedor beats Josh Barnett, then what are your thoughts? Because Barnett is clearly one of the best heavyweights right now in the world. If not for roids, they would have fought in July I think.
BTW, Brock is a threat for Fedor, but I think we are crowning him a little quick. He is a physical beast, but you realize his strategy isn't much different than Roy Nelson's on TUF
He is 3-1 in the UFC beating Herring, Couture & Mir(after losing). He is dangerous because of his size advantage over Fedor. By fight time he would like have close to 50lbs on him!! So we are talking pound for pound, don't you think the fact that his biggest theoretical competition is THAT much bigger than him that he likely is a pound for pound champ. Especially if you consider Anderson & GSP walk around at least 20lbs more than they fight at. You could play it out like this...
Who wins these fights:
BJ vs GSP (catchweight 162)
GSP vs Anderson Silva (catchweight 178)
Anderson Silva vs Fedor (catchweight 205)
Others can chime in here...
gamingaccess
GamingAccess Community
Well, ok let's put one thing straight
I watched Fedor, he fought 2 miles away from my house, he defeated Tim Sylvia. I went to that fight, and I love Fedor, I even bought the t-shirt
All I'm saying, is yeah, I've watched him fight, and I've watched Pride, he is a virtuoso.
However, that said, in my way of thinking, right now, you can't put him as No 1 because (for whatever reason), he hasn't fought Randy, Brock, Mir, Velasquez, Carwin...
Yeah I know Verdum, Rogers, Arloski, Sylvia are outside the UFC, but that doesn't means they are more talented. The only heavyweight that I would REALLY like to see in the UFC is Fedor.
Maybe he is the most impressive guy out there (I would say, with GSP and Anderson Silva), but pound for pound who is the best, sorry, but the talent of the opponents counts
defeating Tim Sylvia, Rogers, yeah it proves you're tough, but it doesn't sends an impressive statement, despite the KO, they are not the best talent out there
jmg721
League 1
I don't get why you are discrediting his wins?
Who he has beat:
Sylvia(former UFC champ previously only lost to Couture, Nog, Mir & Arlovski/wins over Vera & Arlovski...beat him in :36 sec)
Arlovski(Former UFC champ Previously only lost to Sylvia basically/wins over Rothwell, Nelson, Sylvia, Verdum..Knocked him out)
Rogers(was undefeated only name really was Arlovski. To me this would be like beating Carwin or Cain)
Lindland(previously only recent loss was to Rampage/wins against Newton, Horn, Lutter)
Hunt(previously only losses to Barnett & Yoshida/wins vs Vanderlei & Crocop)
I won't count Hong Man Choi who beat Canseco
Not to mention he also beat Cro Cop and Nog in their prime.
IN UFC:
Nog(already beat him)
Brock(he's only fought 4 people in his career)
Mir(doesn't stand a chance)
Cro Cop(already beat him)
Aren't even at the level yet to be a true challenger:
Carwin
Cain
Compare this to Anderson Silva(who has won me over since his pride days). His most impressive wins are the best of a WEAK division:
Henderson, Franklin, Marquart and Lutter...then you have him beating Forrest. Outside of Henderson and Forrest none of these other guys fought anyone close to Silva's talent. Fedor beat MUCH tougher fighters. He had to go up in division because 185 has no top level talent. Not even close to the 205 division.
So Anderson Silva beating Vitor Belfort would be more impressive to you than Fedor beating Josh Barnett??? Because it's not in the UFC? Come on man.
But if this helps your case, I think Anderson Silva, GSP & BJ Penn are all fighting their best they have ever fought in their careers. And it is hard to tell if Fedor still is, but he is distroying the best they are throwing at him. The only people left to fight would be in this order
1. Barnett
2. Brock
Then the rest: Mir, Overeem, Couture,
The rest of the rest: Verdum, Cain, Carwin, Rothwell
Who he has beat:
Sylvia(former UFC champ previously only lost to Couture, Nog, Mir & Arlovski/wins over Vera & Arlovski...beat him in :36 sec)
Arlovski(Former UFC champ Previously only lost to Sylvia basically/wins over Rothwell, Nelson, Sylvia, Verdum..Knocked him out)
Rogers(was undefeated only name really was Arlovski. To me this would be like beating Carwin or Cain)
Lindland(previously only recent loss was to Rampage/wins against Newton, Horn, Lutter)
Hunt(previously only losses to Barnett & Yoshida/wins vs Vanderlei & Crocop)
I won't count Hong Man Choi who beat Canseco
Not to mention he also beat Cro Cop and Nog in their prime.
IN UFC:
Nog(already beat him)
Brock(he's only fought 4 people in his career)
Mir(doesn't stand a chance)
Cro Cop(already beat him)
Aren't even at the level yet to be a true challenger:
Carwin
Cain
Compare this to Anderson Silva(who has won me over since his pride days). His most impressive wins are the best of a WEAK division:
Henderson, Franklin, Marquart and Lutter...then you have him beating Forrest. Outside of Henderson and Forrest none of these other guys fought anyone close to Silva's talent. Fedor beat MUCH tougher fighters. He had to go up in division because 185 has no top level talent. Not even close to the 205 division.
So Anderson Silva beating Vitor Belfort would be more impressive to you than Fedor beating Josh Barnett??? Because it's not in the UFC?
Come on man.But if this helps your case, I think Anderson Silva, GSP & BJ Penn are all fighting their best they have ever fought in their careers. And it is hard to tell if Fedor still is, but he is distroying the best they are throwing at him. The only people left to fight would be in this order
1. Barnett
2. Brock
Then the rest: Mir, Overeem, Couture,
The rest of the rest: Verdum, Cain, Carwin, Rothwell
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DagsJT
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Good discussion this
Coopz
Retired Footballer
- 27 April 2002
I think i'm gonna have a few bets for tonight
Guida, Congo and Sanchez just because they are all underdogs
And they all got taught a lesson
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DagsJT
Guest
All three of the fight awards were for prelim fights
Bonus awards
Fighters were awarded $65,000 bonuses. This was the first UFC event where every bonus was given to fighters on the undercard.
* Fight of the Night: Alan Belcher vs. Wilson Gouveia
* Knockout of the Night: TJ Grant
* Submission of the Night: DaMarques Johnson
Fighters were awarded $65,000 bonuses. This was the first UFC event where every bonus was given to fighters on the undercard.
* Fight of the Night: Alan Belcher vs. Wilson Gouveia
* Knockout of the Night: TJ Grant
* Submission of the Night: DaMarques Johnson
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Coopz
Retired Footballer
- 27 April 2002
Strikeforce and WEC on Saturday/Sunday morning
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DagsJT
Guest
Excellent
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kobashi
Champions League
- 19 May 2004
Fedor doesnt need to fight in UFC as he has nothing to prove. He has part ownership in M-1 Global so why should he just give that up.
Fedor will fight Barnett in Dream sometime next year. If he wins that fight then that will totally complete his legacy.
Anyway here is the K-1 Dynamite NYE card
DREAM vs. Sengoku
Norifumi “Kid” Yamamoto vs. Masanori Kanehara
Hayato “Mach” Sakurai vs. Akihiro Gono
Katsuyori Shibata vs. Hiroshi Izumi
Hiroyuki Takaya vs. Michihiro Omigawa
Hideo Tokoro vs. Marlon Sandro
Alistair Overeem vs. Kazuyuki Fujita
K-1 matches
Ray Sefo vs. Yosuke Nishijima
Final match: Masato vs. Andy Souwer
MMA matches
Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Satoshi Ishii
Super Hulk Tournament finals: Minowaman vs. Sokoudjou
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jmg721
League 1
I was waiting for you to chime in kobashi
I know about half of those fighters. Fujita is the guy who just absorbs punishment and doesn't go down right? I think I saw Cro Cop head kick him a ton in a fight. In theory Ovreeem should run through him right? I though "Mach" was a 155 fighter and Gono was "170". I do like Mach in the matchup regardless. How has Kid Yamamoto been since his injury. I remember hearing of his legend, but never got to see a live fight. Is Minowaman, "the punk" Minowa? That guy will fight anyone....gotta love that.
I know about half of those fighters. Fujita is the guy who just absorbs punishment and doesn't go down right? I think I saw Cro Cop head kick him a ton in a fight. In theory Ovreeem should run through him right? I though "Mach" was a 155 fighter and Gono was "170". I do like Mach in the matchup regardless. How has Kid Yamamoto been since his injury. I remember hearing of his legend, but never got to see a live fight. Is Minowaman, "the punk" Minowa? That guy will fight anyone....gotta love that.
kobashi
Champions League
- 19 May 2004
I was waiting for you to chime in kobashi
I know about half of those fighters. Fujita is the guy who just absorbs punishment and doesn't go down right? I think I saw Cro Cop head kick him a ton in a fight. In theory Ovreeem should run through him right? I though "Mach" was a 155 fighter and Gono was "170". I do like Mach in the matchup regardless. How has Kid Yamamoto been since his injury. I remember hearing of his legend, but never got to see a live fight. Is Minowaman, "the punk" Minowa? That guy will fight anyone....gotta love that.
Fujita has the "Hammerhead nickname" but as he has got older the punch resistance has gone. He was the only guy to ever rock fedor and have him in a bit of trouble. Overeem should win by TKO.
Yamamoto is not looking too great man, lost his last MMA fight to Jason Miller and got smashed in his last fight although it was K-1 rules.
Yeah Minowaman is "the punk minowa". I love that guy man, plus he always calls himself a pro-wrestler so gotta love that..
As for Fedor, I agree with what you were saying. There is no fighter in UFC Fedor has to beat as he has beaten all the top Heavyweights already.
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gamingaccess
GamingAccess Community
Strikeforce this weekend?
Wow
let me check, I wasn't aware of that
Wow
let me check, I wasn't aware of that
gamingaccess
GamingAccess Community
I thought Strikeforce was free on CBS
Now I have to pay $15 per month for Showtime
I'd rather have HBO and watch boxing
Now I have to pay $15 per month for Showtime
I'd rather have HBO and watch boxing
Coopz
Retired Footballer
- 27 April 2002
Carwin vs Mir is apparently being pencilled in for the interim title belt in march
Now what the fuck is all this about?
How can Mir get beat by Lesner for the belt then be in for the title again only 2 fights later (if he beats Carwin)?
Surely if should be Velasquez for the interim title fight
Now what the fuck is all this about?
How can Mir get beat by Lesner for the belt then be in for the title again only 2 fights later (if he beats Carwin)?
Surely if should be Velasquez for the interim title fight
Coopz
Retired Footballer
- 27 April 2002
Velasquez dominated Congo as well and is unbeaten in 5 in the UFC, how can he not be given a shot ahead of Mir who lost only 2 fights ago?
I guess losing means fuck all in a UFC title hunt
I guess losing means fuck all in a UFC title hunt
jmg721
League 1
But you also have to consider the division is weak, and it is likely to be the winner of Nog v Cain & Mir vs Carwin would fight. So it doesn't really matter which match they make "the interim title fight". But its complicated because Mir is much higher profile and has beaten both Brock and Nog(who are the top 2 at the division). Sometimes you need to overlook loses...this isn't boxing. And his loss was against the champ who he lost his belt to...so why shouldn't he fight for a chance at a rematch. Shit Shogun & Machida are doing a immediate rematch.
In my personal opinion I think of those fighters Nog is the best, but he is obviously not unbeatable.
In my personal opinion I think of those fighters Nog is the best, but he is obviously not unbeatable.