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Random but i came across this during Milan-Man u

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Good words dangermouse. Chelsea lack class.....and I'm still bitter about the penno Mike Riley didn't see (even though it was right in front of his eyes) at Anfield around New Year's. However, they are the best team at the end of the day and talking means nothing, just results. Roll on next season. Oh, btw, good luck in the cup.
 
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beachryan said:
We'll have to see if they can continue, or if over the summer coaches will work out startegies to counter the way they play, whcih has happened to United over the past few years I think.
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Your right cuz Sir Alex said in an interview that coaches have found ways to counter his tactics which is why he decided to use the 4-3-3.
I still think 4-4-2 is more affective.
 
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Man, another reason chelsea will win this year, goals like today's against Bayern. Weak shot at goal deflecting, Drogba clearly in an interfering position, and wham, dribbled into the back of the net. Chelsea certainly can't complain about luck this year...
 
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Ok you can lay in comfort making excuses that chelsea have more money than us in the league.

But what about europe, we were simply outclassed by milan, we were made to look like schoolboys compared to them, and dont say we have been unlucky, coz if a team is good enough then you make your own luck. Four years bad luck is a sorry excuse, Manchester Utd simply have not been good enough. Every team Fergie has put out against a decent side in CL knockout stages have been lacking in.

We played leverkesun, veron was the scapegoat, we played Real madrid, Beckham, Barthez was made to pay the price for being outclassed in spain. We were outclassed by a porto team at their ground 3-1 if i remember and we say were unlucky for conceding away goal at last minute and scholes goal disallowed.We wouldnt of had to worry about last min away goal if we didnt fuck up 3-1 at porto.

Sorry but im fed up and Fergie deserves one more season to get it right and if not, its time for a change.
 
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Man U are more solid than Chelsea in Europe imo. Look at the CL performance of chelsea - 6 goals conceeded in 3 of the biggest CL games this season. Man u had i think 5 in total.
 
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Milanista said:
Man U are more solid than Chelsea in Europe imo. Look at the CL performance of chelsea - 6 goals conceeded in 3 of the biggest CL games this season. Man u had i think 5 in total.
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So what! do you think chelsea or any other team will care when they are lifting the CL trophy. I doubt it.
 
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Alucard, you're forgetting the fact that Milan are a VERY good team compared to the teams Chelsea have faced. I really think Milan will be the team to knock Chelsea out of the competition.
I know they beat Barcelona but that only happened cuz Carvalho had Valdes in a friggin' full nelson during a corner which lead to the winning goal.
And look at the goal Drogba scored against Bayern. Chelsea just seem to be scraping really jammy wins against the big teams.
Chelsea have been luckier than us this season.
 
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I know, you know and most Man Utd fans know that Sir Alex shouldnt be sacked but the fact is, this season and last season have been the worst we've had in many years and after last season, everyone expected us to really kick some ass this time. But it doesnt look like we can possibly improve on last years performance in terms of silverware meaning the pressure is really gonna be on Sir Alex.
 
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Milanista said:
Man U are more solid than Chelsea in Europe imo. Look at the CL performance of chelsea - 6 goals conceeded in 3 of the biggest CL games this season. Man u had i think 5 in total.
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Dunno where you get that figure of 5 from ?

Away at Lyon 2-0
Home to Fener 6-2
Away at Sparta 0-0
Home to Sparta 4-1
Home to Lyon 2-1
Away at Fener 3-0

Makes 9 conceeded in the Group Stages, with one in each leg vs Milan, makes 11 goals conceeded in total.
 
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Im not saying fergie should be sacked right away but next season should be his last chance to grab some serious silver where coz its been way too long in europe with United not making any progress past the first round of knockout stage. and if UNited come third again this term(which is very likely) then certainly it is unacceptable coming third best, two seasons in a row. And guys you have to remember we are a much richer team than arsenal, but they have still managed to get the better of United over the years.

And Runedge im not really interested how chelsea are doing, will you stop comparing everything bad down to chelsea having better luck and wealth, the bottom line imo is we have been lacking and I knwo Milan are a very good team but noway should we have looked a amatuer team. that was a sad night knowing that United arent good enough in europe
 
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Did you even watch the Milan games? We didnt look amatuer. We gave them a good game. They were the better team which is why they won. The experience of Maldini, Cafu, etc were too much for our younger lads. And we could have won if we put our chances away.
And how can you say that we're lacking when we have such a great squad? Man for man, our team is better than most others. If I was a manager, I'd pick Man Utd over any other team. How much more are we supposed to do? Both Sir Alex and Wenger have said that in any other season, Arsenal or Man Utd could have won the title with the amount of points that we've won. The only reason why we arent gonna win the title is because Chelsea have raised the standard. So of course you have to be interested in what Chelsea are doing. We looked at ourselves all day and it got us nowhere. Stop trying to be more positive and be a bit more realistic.
 
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Everyone is making a huge deal of out champions league performance, can I remind everyone that they're just two games a round. A lot of small things can happen in those two games that don't reflect the quality of the team, such as bad calls, bad bounces, bad luck. I mean come on, last years final was between Monaco and Porto. Are they the two best teams of 03-04? Are they even in the top 10? I wouln'd say so. I think league performance is how a team's quality should be judged, because in a league the luck should balance out. And this year United have lost 2 matches! All year! They're on a 20 game undefeated run! And fine, they've drawn alot more than tehy should have, but they're still playing damn well. I just don't think the team is necessarily weak because of the performance in the CL, because its just not hte best judge of a year's performance.
 
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Those two games a round divide the good from the great. Thats what the Champions League is all about. We dont expect to win it for nothing. We want it cuz it makes you the best in europe. And Porto were in the top 10 best teams last year which explains why they beat top opposition before winning the cup.

Do you guys think another world class center back would make a difference to our performance? I know we have a good defence but can it be improved?
 
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imo the United defence is good in England, but not among the top top of Europe. I think the flanks are the weakness... Heinze is good but i think there are better.. and Silvestre - no cmment.
 
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There arent many available defenders around. I remember before Lucio joined Munich from (I think) Leverkusen, He was also linked with us. We probably should have pulled out the money for him.
 
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uniteds defence is fine.

midfield is the problem. a lack of creativity.
 
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Heinzes not a natural left back but G.Neville, love him or hate him is easily one of the best right-backs around.
 
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csaunders said:
why wont don domenico come post in here about rooney...
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Don't worry, I was simply waiting for someone(you) to post something I could react to.


Anyway, now for my long awaited 'rant'(although it'll be a short one) on Wayne Rooney:

It's pretty tough to really write Rooney without contradicting my self, but i'll try.

Wayne Rooney, although already a succesfull young footballer isn't all that he is turned out to be. The player is packed with a fierce shot and some amazing determination, yet is he a very one sided player: Although Ferguson tends to play him in different roles (behind the striker, or in the 4-3-3 or as point-man) , he always does the same : he simply shoots at goal.

In the premiership it sometimes may look like he performs some amazing dribbles, but I see them simply as straightforward running through not-so tight defences. You could argue against my statement that Rooney has a tendency to perform against 'stronger' opposition in the EPl. When it really mattered though against Milan, he was near invisible both legs.

The thing I most dislike about Rooney though, is the english media and his HYPE. Rooney may well be a very fine player, the problem is that it's all being taken out of proportion and Rooney is hyped out of this galaxy.
After his first goal at ec04 all the newspapers immediately compared him to the likes of Pepe, proposterious really. Also the way people tend to follow the hypes and also proclaim Rooney as an amazing player simply irritates me, as to me it shows a certain ignorance to forming an own oppinion. A player like Ronaldinho is 20x times the player Rooney is, yet you don't see him in all the headlines. Some serious media Bias.

The thing is though, Rooney HAS proven himself as a player on the pitch(though he is a troublemaker and a little spoiled). Scoring some cracking goals and hardwork allows him to seriously contribute to man utd.'s overall teamplay.As I can't take away his noteworthy four goals at ec04 or his hatrick in the CL after a 3 months injury lay-off.
I have seen him show several dismal performances this season though, and whenever someone critisizes a 'young' player and/or asks for him to be benched you get all those excuses: "he is young blabla"(like against the milan match). Simply logic is though no matter the circumstances a player who isn't good enough should be benched, you should not simply be played because you're 'young'.

All in all, Rooney is a fine player(not special), simply far from as good as the hype makes him out to be though.

(As I had written in the liverpool thread though, the one I really have some beef with is Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronaldo besides being overhyped isn't even a fine player..)
 
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I agree with you on most points except the bit about Ronaldo. The only problem with him is that he doesnt have the experience and knowledge of guys like Figo or Giggs. And IMO, he isnt a very good communicator. Which explains why his performances for Portugal are better than his performances for Man Utd.
 
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Don Domenico said:
Don't worry, I was simply waiting for someone(you) to post something I could react to.


Anyway, now for my long awaited 'rant'(although it'll be a short one) on Wayne Rooney:

It's pretty tough to really write Rooney without contradicting my self, but i'll try.

Wayne Rooney, although already a succesfull young footballer isn't all that he is turned out to be. The player is packed with a fierce shot and some amazing determination, yet is he a very one sided player: Although Ferguson tends to play him in different roles (behind the striker, or in the 4-3-3 or as point-man) , he always does the same : he simply shoots at goal.

In the premiership it sometimes may look like he performs some amazing dribbles, but I see them simply as straightforward running through not-so tight defences. You could argue against my statement that Rooney has a tendency to perform against 'stronger' opposition in the EPl. When it really mattered though against Milan, he was near invisible both legs.

The thing I most dislike about Rooney though, is the english media and his HYPE. Rooney may well be a very fine player, the problem is that it's all being taken out of proportion and Rooney is hyped out of this galaxy.
After his first goal at ec04 all the newspapers immediately compared him to the likes of Pepe, proposterious really. Also the way people tend to follow the hypes and also proclaim Rooney as an amazing player simply irritates me, as to me it shows a certain ignorance to forming an own oppinion. A player like Ronaldinho is 20x times the player Rooney is, yet you don't see him in all the headlines. Some serious media Bias.

The thing is though, Rooney HAS proven himself as a player on the pitch(though he is a troublemaker and a little spoiled). Scoring some cracking goals and hardwork allows him to seriously contribute to man utd.'s overall teamplay.As I can't take away his noteworthy four goals at ec04 or his hatrick in the CL after a 3 months injury lay-off.
I have seen him show several dismal performances this season though, and whenever someone critisizes a 'young' player and/or asks for him to be benched you get all those excuses: "he is young blabla"(like against the milan match). Simply logic is though no matter the circumstances a player who isn't good enough should be benched, you should not simply be played because you're 'young'.

All in all, Rooney is a fine player(not special), simply far from as good as the hype makes him out to be though.

(As I had written in the liverpool thread though, the one I really have some beef with is Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronaldo besides being overhyped isn't even a fine player..)
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i think you have left one part out of his game, that you failed to note, his passing is sublime for a center forward.. it really is, i still say he has loads of potential, and he will become a great player by wc 2010... but i see your points and i respect them, his hat trick against fernerbache was stuff only legends can do.. simply unreal....
 
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Rooney's passing ey, I have noticed him doing some fine chipped passing and he has the 'arrogance' to coolly pass the ball around.
Anyway, Rooney has time on his side so he could well be a great player by wc2010.

Well C Saunders, have my posts in this thread have been what you were hoping for?
 
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The reason rooney is so hyped up is coz he is only 19 and plays like he has been around for a long time, his vision, his shooting accuracy and other stuff i cant be bothered to mention, in a few years he may be in same class as henry.
 
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I dont know too much about Owen but wasnt he hyped up as much as Rooney when he was around the same age? And now hes left England after mediocre performances?
 
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Milanista said:
I dont know too much about Owen but wasnt he hyped up as much as Rooney when he was around the same age? And now hes left England after mediocre performances?
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I dont think Owen was hyped up as much as Rooney. Rooney is getting more hype than anyone in football history.
But to be fair, I'd still be happy if Rooney didnt improve over the years cuz he's a great player right now.
 
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domenico rooney is the real deal. i didnt believe the hype one bit. i couldnt care less about the national team or the media so i let my eyes judge for themselves how good the kid is.


Last season i was at goodison park, united vs everton, and united were cruising 3-0 at half time. in comes rooney, and tears united apart for 45 mins, helps get the score to 3-3, and thankfully ruud scored in the last minute to make it 4-3. What a player i thought. Now some players have been good against us in my time of watching united (15+ years). From Davids or Redondo dominating midfield, to Del Piero, Zidane or Ronaldo with bits of magic, I honestly hadnt seen anyone as awesome as this "fat kid" against us.

We bought him and I was ecstatic. To quote an everton season tickety holding mate- "He's worth £50 million, Wayne is that good"

I Went to his debut against Fenerbahce and couldnt believe what I saw. The best performance Ive ever seen for United, and best performance against us. I was always sceptical of Rooney, believing Cristiano wwas better, but from Rooneys first season the hype is if anything under-estimated. Yes he is direct but thats no bad thing, and yes he likes a shot, but its his maturity, awareness, touch and constant class that is his main strengths. The kid is absolutely amazing, and believe me Ive eaten alot of humbel pie now i appreciate just how unbelievably world class he is already. And he is world class.
 
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