Manchester United Thread

[knh4]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

Fergie out? You lot just really take the piss. Ok we're going throuh a bad patch after a superb run of form( which most of you seem to have forgot) and your calling for Fergies head.
I know we should be doing better but thats just how things are sometime.

 

[phrase]

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What more can a true fan do besides staying by their team when they are down and out.Our piss poor patch continues,Arsenal tore Norwich to pieces the other day and we couldnt even scratch them.I'm sure every United supporter all over the world are gutted now.The second spot is gone now.We'll just have to start from scratch now and I'm soooooo looking forward to the next season already.

 

[footieBalla]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

We lost to Norwich! Calm down!

alright, i've stepped off the ladder and untied the noose from my neck, but i am still upset.

Finally someone whos less hysterical and pessimistic.

well, i'm not sure where to stand here. i wasnt pessimistic. i was merely questioning where Manchester United as a football club will turn now. i think i have the right, as an avid supporter (no matter what many others say), to be bitterly disappointed with a loss (2-0 at that) to the worse club in the english top flight. i'm not one to say that fergie must go, but surely it must be a much more plausible option nowadays compared to that of several years ago. please don't take this the wrong way milan, i am still very optimistic that we can regain 2nd place because the cockneys are very capable of choking, however kleberson must not step foot on the first team lineup if that is to happen.

-fb

ps. that bit about kleber is of personal opinion, "nothing personal mate, but i just dont fucking like (him)" - the Mean Machine

 

[RuneEdge]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

I wouldnt blame ronaldo if he wanted to leave to become a better player. If he were at arsenal or chelsea he would be performing much better trust me, our shitty style we have adopted instead of 442 doesnt work for some of our players, mainly our strikers. The reason it works so well for chelsea is coz they can play long ball and have good heading players, we dont.

Thats why Ronaldo plays better for Portugal IMO. Its easier to understand for him and Ronaldo himself said on MUTV once that he prefers to play in a free role rather than being forced to stick to one side of the pitch. Remember how many time him and Figo switched wings in Euro 2004?
IMO, there are 2 ways to play your team in football (there are obviously more but I use 2). You either look at your team and use tactics to accommodate the players or you use a strategy and then buy players that fit your style (IMO thats what Arsenal have done). Sir Alex does none of those. He decides to use the 4-3-3 and uses Saha, Smith and FORTUNE!?!?! in strike.
We seriously need to start selling players. Bellion has been playing for the reserves for ages. And why? Sell the idiot already. And why did we buy Miller if he's never used? I like Kleberson but I'm sure we can make some money off him too. There are also guys like Fortune who dont give enough to the team. And how much of a loss would it be if we sold those players anyway? We have Phil Neville, Fletcher and O'Shea who can play in those positions. We're carrying too much useless weight.

ps. that bit about kleber is of personal opinion, "nothing personal mate, but i just dont fucking like (him)" - the Mean Machine

To be fair Kleberson did nothing wrong in that game. The team as a whole let us down.

 

[Alucard]

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With all these problems you mentioned runedge plus along players secretly unhappy i think this team is a joke to be honest. Fergie dont know what his best formation is and doesnt know which players to choose its pathetic plus he used all his money on rooney and shit buys buys in the past were they have nothing to show.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Sir Alex needs to start all over again. He needs to throw away all his rules and beliefs and approach all his games like its his last. Cuz he's pissin' a lot of fans off.
If you want me to be REALLY REALLY honest, I think this whole thing started from the moment Beckham left us.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

wrong. signing veron and fergies obsession with 4-5-1

 

[RuneEdge]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

wrong. signing veron and fergies obsession with 4-5-1

What Veron got to do with this? Beckham's the one that affected us. Ever since he left, every season went bad for us.
Now we don't have anyone with the crossing ability like Beckham's.

 

[Alucard]

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Nah neone remember when we last tried 4-4-2 formation? I mean we done really well with that formation until fergie decided he had to change things to fit certain indivduals in the team namely veron.

I dont blame fergie for going for veron coz he was world class at lazio and his reputation was high, but the changing to 451 was stupid and didnt work. Neither is this 4-3-3.

i dont think beckham is the reason, as any team can cope without beckham although we do miss him a bit.

 

[RuneEdge]

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a bit? Beckham is the one that assisted the majority of Ruud's goals. Plus his freekicks were another source of goals. Not only that, our set pieces were better then back then when Beckham took 'em.
If he was playing for us now, we could have played him in the center with Ronaldo on the right.

 

[Alucard]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

well it was a mistake to sell both veron and beckham in same season and replace them with djemba,kleberson and ronaldo. I know who id prefer.

There is no doubt ruuds goals has dried since the departure of beckham.

 

[puton]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

I personally believe that veron is not suited to english football, he's a fine player but couldn't adapt sufficiently. beckham was good for united but he is still a hugely overated player.

in hindsight it was a mistake to sign kleberson and djemba, but these players were highly rated. Some signings come off some don't. Can't blame fergie for signing these players.Wenger has signed some dougnuts aswell, so has benitez, so has mourinho.

i'm sure he'll pick up a couple of signings in the summer and get rid of a couple.
he'll probably pick up a keeper aswell.

 

[RuneEdge]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

But the players we want are too expensive compared to the value of players we want to sell.
We'll have to sell 3 and buy 1 and then hope he turns out great. If he doesnt, we're screwed.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

some people have a poor memory. verons signing meant fergie accommodated him in a 4-5-1.

uniteds form isnt to do with beckham. beckham wasnt in the team in the last three months of the season in which we won the league. solskjaer had taken his place in a more attacking right sided position and was playing better than beckham had on the right for quite a while.

united played 4-2-3-1. it worked and we played great football. Solskjaers injury has been a major reason for the lack of penetration of the team. It also meant Ronaldo has been signed and relied upon a year too soon.

If beckham hadnt been sold things would of got worse. We got a very good price for a player well past his best who wouldnt sign a new contract.

Ruuds goals have dried up because he has been injured.

 

[pk9]

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i think united shud go for mo gamst pedersen he looks promising and with united terrible today unbelieveable 2morrow after chelsea went so far ahead it was baout gaing some pride back but 2nd or third makes no diff after all united will stand agin but only after sir alex gives this team wee bit of oiling ----- someone really creative a genuine omf

 

[RuneEdge]

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Ruuds goals have dried up because he has been injured.

Blaming it on injuries is just an excuse. Shevchenko has been injured for a while and he returned in the CL quarter final last week and scored.
If Beckham was still here, he would have crossed in hundreds of balls by now that Ruud could have got on the end of.
I've watch hundreds of classic matches shown on MUTV and you can clearly see that our style of play based around playing the ball to the right and then either Beckham would cross or Neville would go on the over lap and cross it. Giggs was mainly used to counter attack cuz of his speed and flair. When we bought Ronaldo, although he was supposed to be a replacement of Beckham, he's really a better alternative for Giggs. And its almost pointless having Giggs and Ronaldo in the same XI cuz whenever Ronaldo runs up, Giggs is always holding back to defend.
Why do you think Ronaldo was taken off and Fortune was kept on during the Milan game at home? Cuz Fortune can hold the midfield better than Ronaldo. Beckham can do that too and I think its just sad that he had to leave the way he did. I remember reading Beckham say that he'd play for free cuz he was so desperate to stay. To say Beckham is well past his best is like saying the same for Scholes, Keane and Giggs but we dont see Man Utd sell them do we?
Most people dont like to admit that Beckham is a good footballer because he's such a big face in the media and not many people consider him a footballer anymore. The fact is that he's important to any team that he plays for and IMO, things would have been very different if he had stayed.

But I agree on most of your points. Solskjaer was important to us and sadly I dont think he'll be the same after the injury seeing how he's about 32 years old now.

 

[Dead Man]

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Blaming it on injuries is just an excuse. Shevchenko has been injured for a while and he returned in the CL quarter final last week and scored.
If Beckham was still here, he would have crossed in hundreds of balls by now that Ruud could have got on the end of.
I've watch hundreds of classic matches shown on MUTV and you can clearly see that our style of play based around playing the ball to the right and then either Beckham would cross or Neville would go on the over lap and cross it. Giggs was mainly used to counter attack cuz of his speed and flair. When we bought Ronaldo, although he was supposed to be a replacement of Beckham, he's really a better alternative for Giggs. And its almost pointless having Giggs and Ronaldo in the same XI cuz whenever Ronaldo runs up, Giggs is always holding back to defend.
Why do you think Ronaldo was taken off and Fortune was kept on during the Milan game at home? Cuz Fortune can hold the midfield better than Ronaldo. Beckham can do that too and I think its just sad that he had to leave the way he did. I remember reading Beckham say that he'd play for free cuz he was so desperate to stay. To say Beckham is well past his best is like saying the same for Scholes, Keane and Giggs but we dont see Man Utd sell them do we?
Most people dont like to admit that Beckham is a good footballer because he's such a big face in the media and not many people consider him a footballer anymore. The fact is that he's important to any team that he plays for and IMO, things would have been very different if he had stayed.

But I agree on most of your points. Solskjaer was important to us and sadly I dont think he'll be the same after the injury seeing how he's about 32 years old now.

Totally agree mate!

I thought this for ages that we miss Beckham, any one who thinks otherwise is blind as Ruud has been nowhere near the 30+ goals mark since(i believe)!

 

[Vannizzlefashizzal]

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Feck me!! Saturday was feckin terrible but if im honest its been coming for a couple weeks.

Fergies gotta take responsibility and get the team focused again we had a steady regular eleven and went on a good run before the Milan matches, I can understand why he rushed Ruud back but he got it wrong and now needs to put it right before we meet the barcodes, the FA Cup is what we need to focus on now, 2nd place not impossible but its out of our hands.

 

[phrase]

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C'mon mates,calm down.I know its been frustrating for everyone.Lets stop pintpoint at the team.Everything is just too hard to swollow.Being fans of United,we demand to be champions year in,year out.This season however,we couldnt do it,because of the Chelsea machine with its russian engine.Lets all hope for the best next season,huge changes are needed at the club.In my honest opinion,Sir Alex should have stepped down when he wanted to a couple of season back as he was on a high.I think the PLC would give him another season to justify himself.Its gonna be a make or break season after this one for Sir Alex.

 

[Alucard]

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C'mon mates,calm down.I know its been frustrating for everyone.Lets stop pintpoint at the team.Everything is just too hard to swollow.Being fans of United,we demand to be champions year in,year out.This season however,we couldnt do it,because of the Chelsea machine with its russian engine.Lets all hope for the best next season,huge changes are needed at the club.In my honest opinion,Sir Alex should have stepped down when he wanted to a couple of season back as he was on a high.I think the PLC would give him another season to justify himself.Its gonna be a make or break season after this one for Sir Alex.

This is what ive been arguin against. Its not chelsea who made us not win league or advance any further in CL. Even if chelsea wernt about with all their money, im sure arsenal would of stolen it from us this year and they are points ahead anyway. I hate all these excuses coz they are pathetic,last year it was rio,then it was 'the team has to have time to gel' and now chelsea with all their money.Arsenal didnt lay down when we were spending 30-40millions pounds every summer when they were low on money they still won the league.

If we come third again that is disgraceful. I as a fan dont expect championships all the time, but i atleast expect my team to make progress from year to year. I mean United have not done anything better than last year, we didnt get any further in CL, fa cup we won last year so we might do worst dis year i guess.

Maybe im be critical but NO excuses for United this year.

 

[Mack]

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I think the simple fact on Saturday was Norwich wanted it more!

 

[knh4]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

True. Our players at the moment just dont look motivated enough. There wasnt a real urgency on Saturday to score and it doesnt help with Fergies tactics at times. We need a formation that suits both the players and the team and not just Fergies own philosophy of football.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

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Ronaldo wasnt bought as Beckhams replacement!Solskjaer was his replacement!

I do wonder how many of you are actual supporters from Manchester who actually attend games and have a clue what they are talking about or am i the only one?


Beckham is a cock and a liar. He is not loyal. If he is so loyal why did the Madrid management team know he was going to not start the quarter final at OT? He told them cos he was in negotiations behind Uniteds back. If he is so loyal and such a big fan, why this season when asked who he wanted to win out of United vs Liverpool did he say he didnt know cos he had friends on both sides. He cared more about England and the idiots that support England, and believed his own ego and hype.

And Ruud did manage 30 goals the first season Beckham left.

And injuries is an excuse. Use your head RuneEdge. Ruud had a leg injury, meaning very little running or fitness work could be done in three months. Sheva was out for what 3-4 weeks with a facial injury, so could easily maintain his fitness levels and do ballwork.

 

[beachryan]

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Yeah, I'm thinking its not the end of the world, nor do we need too many new additions to the squad. When Ole comes back he'll probably not be as fast, but he'll still see the game as well, which is his greatest strength. I think a midfield with Ronaldo, Rooney, Rossi and Kleberson/Fletcher is more suited to how the prem works today. They can all play one touch and move quickly. This leaves the problem of a defensive midfielder to replace Keano, that should be the one aquisition IMO. Everyone seems to forget that United were so dominant in the 90's not due to huge purchases (though there were some) but to the development of a young team together. That's what SAF should be getting into place, especially given that he can't be around forever. Chelsea have had a great season, hats off to them. Arsenal have come back down to earth after last year, and we could well be ahead of them. We're going to end up with more points than last year, and hopefully an FA Cup, which wouldn't be the end of the world. And if we manage that with a team consisting of 4 players under 23 (Fletch/Roo/Ron/OShea), as well as some great other young prospects (Rossi, Spector, Pique, Jones, Eagles) things do look pretty bright for the future.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Ronaldo wasnt bought as Beckhams replacement!Solskjaer was his replacement!

Solskjaer wasnt Beckham's replacement. What the hell have you been watching for the past few years? Solskjaer is a striker. He only played on the right because we didnt have another right sided player at the time. Fletcher wasnt an established first team yet.

Beckham is a cock and a liar. He is not loyal. If he is so loyal why did the Madrid management team know he was going to not start the quarter final at OT? He told them cos he was in negotiations behind Uniteds back.

Thats the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. And there were a few other teams Beckham was about to join like Barcelona. Beckham said he thought there was a chance he might stay so why would he negotiate so early. He even said that he wants to come back but feels theres no chance while Sir Alex is around. This all happened because of the feud between Sir Alex and Beckham, not because he's disloyal.

If he is so loyal and such a big fan, why this season when asked who he wanted to win out of United vs Liverpool did he say he didnt know cos he had friends on both sides. He cared more about England and the idiots that support England, and believed his own ego and hype.

His EXACT words were "Of course I want Man Utd to win. I've grown up supporting them since I was a kid"

And injuries is an excuse. Use your head RuneEdge. Ruud had a leg injury, meaning very little running or fitness work could be done in three months. Sheva was out for what 3-4 weeks with a facial injury, so could easily maintain his fitness levels and do ballwork.

Ruud has been back for a while now and before returning, he got nearly 2 weeks worth full training with the team (I saw it on MUTV myself). After all these games, he still hasnt scored for Man Utd. And before injuring himself, could you please remind me how many goals he scored from open play?
Shevchenko on the other hand got a pretty nasty facial injury (If you had watched the game you'd know how bad it was)and on his return in a CL quarter final, he scored with a header.
Its pretty obvious what more impressive.

 

[beachryan]

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I wonder how Ruud is doing in practice. He'll be back, but it is beginning to worry me how long its going to take. I don't think its just his fault, I think the style of play changed while he was out, to more of 'give it to Rooney and Ronaldo and hope they make something happen' strategy. Which isn't good.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

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RuneEdge you know fuck all about united. You think cos yoiu have MUTV you know everything. Its fans like you that give us proper reds a bad name.

Everything ive posted is true. Solskjaer was Beckhams replacement, as he was in the team playing better than Beckham thus making Beckham expendable. Yes Ole was a striker but his versatility on the right of a 4-2-3-1 meant he played there, and he was awesome there.

And as for the biggest load of BS- that is completely true about Beckham

Beckham says stuff to appease the idiots who choose to believe him. He's a liar end of

 

[Milanista]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

How can Solskjear be Beckham's replacement if they were both on the team for almost 4 years together. Why would they buy Ronaldo only after Beckham left?

 

[Alucard]

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

How can Solskjear be Beckham's replacement if they were both on the team for almost 4 years together. Why would they buy Ronaldo only after Beckham left?

Exactly. I dont know how someone like dangerous dan can come and act llike he knows it all about united, its people's opinions not facts. Like I believe beckham was forced out coz he never said or made any indication that he wanted to leave. Solskjear at the time was back up nothing more, Fergie was always looking for replecment for becks when he attempted to buy ronaldinho but failed so he laid eyes on Ronaldo.

Anyway United havnt managed to score against milan,crystal palace,blackburn and now norwich. That is pathetic. To me that is no strikers fault. Yes van has been injured and unlucky but we have midfield players who surely should be contributing, but it is clearly the system that has been at fault Fergie needs to give up his philosophy as someone rightly said.

He changed the system of United after watching the italian sides dominate europe in 2004 i think when he watched milan v juventus in the final and tried to copy their defense minded tactics. He is an idiot Fergie coz he dont know what he is doing.

 

[knh4]

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Theres the problem. We can not be a Milan or a Juventus. We can only be Manchester United. We played some of the most flowing beautiful football with the 4-4-2 and won championship after championship. Individualy we have some of the best players in Europe yet look at how we're performing.