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Got goal from Offside. Great reaction from Chicharito though, but goal shouldn't stand.

Sending off for Torres was HARSH as hell... He shouldn't have been sent off.

Ivanovic sending off was alright, but it looked more like Young getting to his best diving form...

3 points gained, but... It won't help with how Man Utd are viewed as a team :(. Helped by refs, again!!!!

I hate that... Ferguson should wake up, bring in proper hard working Central Mid. Arturo Vidal is my dream, but won't happen :/.
 
You were lucky today..

but Man Utd have had very poor decisions go against them in many Man Utd v Chelsea games I seen

In football everything evens itself out..
 
Strange feeling that. Memories of THAT free kick, THAT Drogba offside, THOSE Luiz no-bookings and so forth at the Bridge, but that doesn't excuse the fact that we didn't look like winning that without the Torres sending off.

I do love, however, that in all the post-game analysis (and presumably MOTD2) there's no replay of Luiz's clear handball in the box when it was still 2-1. Such things are never mentioned. However, a marginal offside call will be used as a stick to beat the 'refs love United' drum for the next week.

I also love that after having survived the Everton LFC match, RAWK crashed due to volumes when Torres was sent off ;)
 
beachryan said:
Yep. Once again, no midfield.

It's so sad. Our attack looks like it score everytime it goes forward, but it's wasted as Fergie refuses to sign one of the those central midfield type things.

Overrun, and possibly a 4-2 to the Chavs.

Also, Chelsea fans - you're booing Rio Ferdinand. Think for a moment why you're doing that you f*cking spastics.

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Edit 2 - United are now playing a 4-1-5.
Edit 3 - Torres shouldn't be off imo. There's a teeny, tiny bit of contact. Doesn't explain why his front leg collapses in a heap, I'd argue possibly not a foul but you can't book someone for that.
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"Spastics"?

Bellend
 
beachryan said:
So booing the BROTHER of a player that your captain RACIALLY ABUSED is good, fair football banter? Demonstrative of great intellect, compassion and dignity?

If all you're going to do is troll around these forums, I'd suggest you find a new locale.
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Where did I say any of that?

You call people spastics and IM the one who should leave? Deary me
 
The match for me was really good, until Torres was sent off! I think Mark was card crazy today, a little bit :LOL: I for sure thought Mikel got his marching order then, Valencia got booked :LOL: .

Luiz was edgy and erratic his handball inside the box is subjective imo his hand was more down then up. Anything could happen w/ Mark at the helm though. Rooney could of been send off too, but both are in the same hair club for Men...so reasonably not given.

All in all Mutd should of scored a few more ,but being so close ppl will talk. Makes the next match mid-week more spicy! :BOP:
 
1 final point on Clattenburg - my count on Ramires fouls was 11 - and no yellows? Then yellows for Torres and Valencia?

Can we all just agree he's a sh*t official?
 
beachryan said:
1 final point on Clattenburg - my count on Ramires fouls was 11 - and no yellows? Then yellows for Torres and Valencia?

Can we all just agree he's a sh*t official?
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Yesterday Clattenburg was utter and utter shit. I still think at the end referee's decisions are evening themselves out, but yesterday Clattenburg kept Man Utd in the Champion's run all by himself.

Is it a conspiracy? Not at all. I think all 3 decisions where hard to see and to judge, the manager that manipulates referees all the time got all 3 decisions in his favour. I think one should not critcize the ref in this case (which i just did, LOL), but the system. Something seems wrong with the system, one should never allow Ferguson to influence referees (and i can even understand Ferguson up to a certain point, when i still was a United fan, i hated though...i want my team to win with style..yesterday's win was all but that).

In all fairness: shocking defending by Chelsea at the first 2 goals and why did the fans harassed Ferdinand? Ferdinand is the person Terry would wish to be, but can't be because he lacks something.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of cunts. Feels good after years of getting nothing our way at the Bridge.
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A balanced and objective view as ever.
Maybe the fan(atic)s should try to see it from the point of view of a neutral.
As a neutral i was watching a fantastic match, this match was ended by the ref. I know that real fan(atic?)s only want to win, but people who are football fans before being a club fan want to see good exciting, fair and honest matches...i know it sounds naïve...

At times Man Utd can play fantastic counter football, there is not a single team that does it better. On the other hand there is an ugly cynicism in their game that i don't like. I know it's very subjective...
 
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Torres' dive is a tricky one.
It was mentioned on Sky that referees seem to be more likely to punish anything viewed as simulation, and with all the coverage on diving at the moment, any decision is going to be scrutinized.

I was talking to someone at work about it earlier, and they were convinced that because Ivanovic saw red, so should have Evans. Which is rubbish as Evans wasn't the last man.
Personally (and trying to sound as neutral as I can!) I thought it was a foul when it happened. However, seeing the replay, I'm not so sure. Yes, Evans has made slight contact with Torres' right shin, but why did his left leg suddenly give out? That to me is what makes it a dive.

I felt for Ivanovic. There was nothing he could do, and didn't intend to clip Young. He was the last man, and Young would have been through on goal, so it was never going to be anything other than a red.

As Ryan mentioned, how many times did Ramires commit a foul without a booking?
And should Torres have been sent off in the first half for his studs up / high boot on Cleverley? If it had been the other way round it would have had far more coverage.
But then United always get the big decisions don't they?

I would feel sympathy for Chelsea, but after their fans booing Rio, throwing coins at Hernandez after he scored, then Di Matteo trying to grab Valencia as he went to take a throw in (bet that wasn't covered anywhere) makes me hate them that little bit more, so I won't.
 
Jamesy said:
I was talking to someone at work about it earlier, and they were convinced that because Ivanovic saw red, so should have Evans. Which is rubbish as Evans wasn't the last man.
Personally (and trying to sound as neutral as I can!) I thought it was a foul when it happened. However, seeing the replay, I'm not so sure. Yes, Evans has made slight contact with Torres' right shin, but why did his left leg suddenly give out? That to me is what makes it a dive.
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I agree that Torres went down of his own doing despite Evans catching him and although I suspect the Torres of old would have been relentless and gone on to put it past de Gea, I also feel he had every right to go down after being clipped.

If you're going to make a point of booking players you think have simulated do it to players who haven't been booked already, unless you're 110% sure he dived of course. To me, it was a crazy decision.


Speaking of our performance yesterday, I was actually pretty pleased with it, we as a set of fans expect us to dominate games every time for the whole 90 minutes or it's disappointment, spoiled as we are :). But I think you have to credit Chelsea for playing very well themselves to comeback, rather than trying to point fingers at our team. I think Martin Tyler said at one point United won the first third of the game and Chelsea won the second third, but unfortunately we were robbed of the epic decider.
 
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Woohoo!

:LOL: Special thanks to the referee!

We deserve that though, considering the amount of bad decision's we've had at the bridge it was nice for us to be one the right end of 'screwjob' finish.
 
Almost certainly with Arsenal next. Most people seem to think something like this:

Lindegaard

Rafael
Wootton
Evans
Buttner

Fletcher
Anderson
Scholes or Giggs

Nani
Hernandez
Welbeck

Not too shabby. Squad is still far too light in defence, Smalling thankfully has returned to training at least.
 
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At least it's taken all the heat off the Chelsea fans pelting the United players with coins and broken seats, they even injured one of their own stewards,I also wonder if Clattenburg will receive death threats now like poor Anders Frisk who ended up retiring after Mourinho and the Chelsea fans made his life hell.
 
Kind of hope we save Fletcher for Arsenal. We were overrun yesterday once Chelsea got going, and Fletch has looked capable of providing us some legs at least.

Powell might be involved, despite coming off last week in the reserves. Apparently was just a dead leg.
 
Fooking hell Looks like he was shot by Ashley Cole's air rifle


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gerd said:
A balanced and objective view as ever.
Maybe the fan(atic)s should try to see it from the point of view of a neutral.
As a neutral i was watching a fantastic match, this match was ended by the ref. I know that real fan(atic?)s only want to win, but people who are football fans before being a club fan want to see good exciting, fair and honest matches...i know it sounds naïve...
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Yes because you're the epitomy of objectiveness, gerd...

Oh we robbed Chelsea, no doubt about it. It doesn't mean I can't enjoy a bit of schadenfreude at Chelsea's expense, given how they've got away with big decisions against us over the years. I'd probably have more sympathy for them if their fans didn't boo Ferdinand or throw things at Hernandez and injure a steward.

What did the referee do to ruin the game? You could blame the linesman for not flagging Hernandez offside but the Torres "dive" isn't clear cut at all from his view.

Besides, you could argue Torres should have been sent off for karate-kicking Cleverley in the first half anyway.
 
@UP : It was getting great until the refereeing conspiracy started. Anyway, being a United fan, I just can't see it spoiling my joy at the moment.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
Yes because you're the epitomy of objectiveness, gerd...
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Exactly. As a neutral i wasn't biased at all, like you are. I just wanted to see a good football match and got it until Clattenburg decided that he should ruïn it. If Chelsea would have won that way, i would have felt exactly the same...this is not about United (people like you and that dreadfull Runedge think that your team is the centre of the world, it isn't that is Barcelona).

This is about something far more important than about football teams. This is about football. Every single week we got lots of controversy and this is killing the sports. Do you think as a football fan i like the Chelsea fans booing Rio Ferdinand? I don't like that. I don't like the fact that what could have been an absolute stunner of a match turned out to be an anti-climax (and this happens very often), no matter what team wins. In the controversy around Terry and Anton Ferdinand, i thoroughly support both Anton and Rio and i admired Rio when he refused to wear the anti-racism T-shirt.

But do you really think that because Terry did that and because some (large?) section of the Chelsea fans booed Rio, that "Chelsea is racist"? Surely you must be more intelligent than that? If i read those posts where Man Utd fans agree that they robbed Chelsea but couldn't care less because "THEY did the same to US". I really can't understand that. That is exactly how racism works: US against THEM (and you will have understood that this is not about Man Utd, i could post this in every club thread about English clubs).


Yes in this instance i'm objective and you aren't. You don't really care as long as your team wins. Basically there is nothing wrong with that, it's the way most fans react. But don't talk about objectivity then


And while we are talking about objectivity...

I just listened to Football Weekly and all 4 people were absolutely adamant that:

1 Clattenburg ruïned a fantastic game
2 Torres "karate kick", could never have been more than a yellow card.

So maybe i'm more objective (in this) than you presume.

So let's conclude that Man United won 3 precious points and won it deservedly so. Deservedly because Ferguson acted very clever and went for a win the moment Ivanovic got a red card. But IMO Chelsea and football lost sunday, just like football lost when Chelsea won the CL last year.
 
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That is a well organized response gerd ...imo seeing this is a mutd thread bias view is the main objective. lol . Let abou have his day ....maybe Arsenal match will be a fair for the neutral . Maybe Rvp scores kiss the badge n abou will call the goons a bunch of knobs . As long as he doesn't rubb salt in the arsenal thread Lol. Mutd thread is the right place for venting n ranting imo.
 
gerd said:
I just listened to Football Weekly and all 4 people were absolutely adamant that:

1 Clattenburg ruïned a fantastic game
2 Torres "karate kick", could never have been more than a yellow card.
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Agree with the vast majority of this post. I just wish that we, as fans/the audience, could just say look, ref screwed up. Our team also didn't score enough goals to win. Let's look at our players - that's the only thing that our team can control.

But the media drive the agenda, and it's a downward spiral because the vast majority of football fans are dross. It's a lazy sport - look at the big talking points rather than the detail.

Finally, I love football weekly but in balance of fairness, the entirety of the Times Podcast thought Torres would have walked if Cleverley had made a meal of it. So even the pundits can't agree.

As a United fan all I can take from that match is that our attack is lethal and it's nice to see us playing counter-attack again...but...our midfield is so porous and our defensive so second string that we can't really play like that because we're not stop anyone scoring.
 
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