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as a neutral :whistle: 2 attacking teams w/ you having a better defence ...yeah they`ll win :-pp

vidic must be fit
 
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End of the season is gonna be beautiful to watch either way, regardless of who we have in the CL, and the chase for the Gunners (if they win it, then all credit to them).

Heres to the run in lads.
 
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I guess having rumours here wont hurt.:whistle:

globe () : Karim Benzema's agent has announced that he has signed a pre-contract agreement with Manchester Utd, with a deal that could be worth potentially 25mil pounds, depending on appearances and goals. This deal will see Lyon take Saha back to France, who hopes to resurrect his career. Meanwhile, Philip Lahm has issued a come and get me plea to Sir Alex, as he looks to replace Wes Brown who is destined to leave for free. Lahm has spoken to his ex-team mate Owen Hargreaves, and has told Sir Alex through Hargreaves that he has set his heart on a move to Old Trafford in the summer. Meanwhile, rumours are still wild around Madrid that Steven Gerrard will finally move in the summer after his agent was seen at the Madrid's president office last weekend.

check out the others at teamtalk.com's rumour room...:ROCK:
 
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I can't believe Benzema can play well in a couple high profile games and be worht the same as say, Rooney or Torres. (give or take). Just ridiculous. He looked class against United but so have many, many other players. Didn't someone at Blackburn (pederson or bentley can't recall) score a hat trick against us?

I'm much more into giving him more time at the top level to see how he comes along. £25 is a massive speculation...
 
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I can't believe Benzema can play well in a couple high profile games and be worht the same as say, Rooney or Torres. (give or take). Just ridiculous. He looked class against United but so have many, many other players. Didn't someone at Blackburn (pederson or bentley can't recall) score a hat trick against us?

I'm much more into giving him more time at the top level to see how he comes along. £25 is a massive speculation...

rooney and torres were both somewhat speculation. Benzema has already proven himself to be a goal scorer in the CL, rooney and torres had never even played in the CL before comming to there current teams. So to be honest benzema is pretty far along compared to those two at the same time. benzema is lighting up league 1.. torres or rooney didnt do that either before comming to there current teams.. i would say benzema is worth it
 
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You might not agree with me gomito mate...but thats quite an unfair judgement.If the player is good enough,he can perform in any stage.Rooney and Torres does fit that category and more.

Benzema hasnt light up the international stage yet with Les Bleus and perhaps he will come the Euro Championships.Having said that,Rooney and Torres are certain starters when fit for their countries respectively.

At 22 years old now Wayne Rooney has played 250 games,scored 91 goals and 48 assists in his career so far,excluding 41 games and 14 goals for England.


I didnt do a check on Karim Benzema but I bet,he is not even close to Wazza.:SHHH:
 
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Benzema hasnt light up the international stage yet with Les Bleus

That's not really true mate, he scored on his debut, and has got 3 goals so far in 9 caps I think. Also he's scored 25ish goals in Ligue une so he's not exactly unproven. I think £25m is a fair price, especially as its dependent on appearances and goals.

Anyway, it's just a rumour at the moment, I wouldn't look too far into it.
 
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Hmm, if you do buy someone as high profile as Benzema, won't he or Tevez/Rooney be sitting on the bench a bit too much. Manucho has showed some real class in the Cup of Nations, and he is someone who would sit on the bench and can come on to provide another option.
 
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You might not agree with me gomito mate...but thats quite an unfair judgement.If the player is good enough,he can perform in any stage.Rooney and Torres does fit that category and more.

Benzema hasnt light up the international stage yet with Les Bleus and perhaps he will come the Euro Championships.Having said that,Rooney and Torres are certain starters when fit for their countries respectively.

At 22 years old now Wayne Rooney has played 250 games,scored 91 goals and 48 assists in his career so far,excluding 41 games and 14 goals for England.


I didnt do a check on Karim Benzema but I bet,he is not even close to Wazza.:SHHH:

YES but ,most of that was after he joined United....(thats my point) benzema is 20, im not doubting rooney, but im saying buying rooney at the time for the price is similar to benzema now... and not only that, rooney and torres dont have to compete with anelka, henry and saha,, crouch? Defoe? Heskey(LOL), morientes, villa is his strike partner, who else . Cmon.. france is runner up to the world cup for a reason... plus as i said benezama is 20, he is going to be great and well worth the price
 
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I want David Villa more than Benzema tbh.

why? we have tevez and rooney somewhat similar, benzema is more in the ruud mode.. adn younger, sir alex always seems to spend the big bucks on young talent.. rooney, ronaldo, anderson, nani, rio, tevez,
 
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That's not true mate, they only won the league once in the 4 seasons Ruud was there. Despite his amazing goal scoring record he just didn't work for the team. Since he's left they've improved as a team loads.
 
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Ruud for me is a United legend, he was simply amazing he loved the club and scored goals for fun, the only reason he left was cause of his spat with Fergie and Ronaldo but we can't complain as SAF favoured with Ron and he ain't done bad since ;)
 
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Well,we cant look back now can we? Greater things are only infront of us.Official reports from SkySports had a report today saying Benzema will not move away from Lyon next season.

I admire Benzema,maybe because he has that air of arrogance and confidence about him.Strikers really need that apart from killer instincts and talent.

Having said that,there are a few other strikers just like him,waiting on the wings for a bigger chance and oppurtunity to shine.Manucho,Huntelaar,Amauri,Elamander,Pierre-Gignac just to name a few.So,dont fret because we doing great.
 
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benzema is a marvelous player. he has the potential to become one of the best strikers in the world..... and even now he already is very close to the best strikers in the world (despite being so young).

benzema already became a starter in french NT.... and, with all the respect for england NT strikers, with henry, trezeguet, and anelka, it's not an easy game to get a starter's spot in france NT (as Gomito pointed out;))).

Phrase, those strikers u mentioned before (except amauri) are not as good as benzema, neither have the potential to become as good as him (imo).

elmander and huntelaar are very good and promising players, but they don't have the same technique amauri and benzema have (but i have to say i can't talk about manucho, coz i did never see him playing).

amauri at the moment is even better than benzema... but amauri is already 27 so that's pretty normal.

btw guys why do u want a "pure striker" so badly? it's not the first time i read u would like a van nistelrooy or a villa.... u do realise that having that kind of player would mean completely change your gameplan?

in the past 4 years man utd gave itself a specific "dna", based mostly on fast ball circulation and mobile fowards, who don't give any benchmark to the opponent defenses. u worked on this system for 4 years and improved it till the perfection.
buying that kind of striker would mean dumping all this work and starting again, working on a new system....
is that what u want?? :SS
 
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btw guys why do u want a "pure striker" so badly? it's not the first time i read u would like a van nistelrooy or a villa.... u do realise that having that kind of player would mean completely change your gameplan?

in the past 4 years man utd gave itself a specific "dna", based mostly on fast ball circulation and mobile fowards, who don't give any benchmark to the opponent defenses. u worked on this system for 4 years and improved it till the perfection.
buying that kind of striker would mean dumping all this work and starting again, working on a new system....
is that what u want?? :SS

good point...

we proved last year we played better without ruud...

(and to be fair ruud played some of his best football at madrid)

even more so this year with the rooney ronaldo tevez combination...
 
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benzema is a marvelous player. he has the potential to become one of the best strikers in the world..... and even now he already is very close to the best strikers in the world (despite being so young).

benzema already became a starter in french NT.... and, with all the respect for england NT strikers, with henry, trezeguet, and anelka, it's not an easy game to get a starter's spot in france NT (as Gomito pointed out;))).

Phrase, those strikers u mentioned before (except amauri) are not as good as benzema, neither have the potential to become as good as him (imo).

elmander and huntelaar are very good and promising players, but they don't have the same technique amauri and benzema have (but i have to say i can't talk about manucho, coz i did never see him playing).

amauri at the moment is even better than benzema... but amauri is already 27 so that's pretty normal.

btw guys why do u want a "pure striker" so badly? it's not the first time i read u would like a van nistelrooy or a villa.... u do realise that having that kind of player would mean completely change your gameplan?

in the past 4 years man utd gave itself a specific "dna", based mostly on fast ball circulation and mobile fowards, who don't give any benchmark to the opponent defenses. u worked on this system for 4 years and improved it till the perfection.
buying that kind of striker would mean dumping all this work and starting again, working on a new system....
is that what u want?? :SS

Hmm I would have to disagree with that. I have been watching Benzema for 2 years now. And he has ENORMOUS potential. But to say he is better than the other striker is a bit OTT. If he does continue to progress as he doing now, I am sure he will be the BEST striker in a couple of seasons. But he still has some way to go. He still needs big match experience. He still needs to be more clinical. And he needs to mature a bit more. But I am sure that in 3 years, he would be possibly the best striker in the world.

And talking about United's need for a striker. I think they don't need a David Villa (who btw would fit perfectly in United's game). What they need is a tall striker with a physical presence.

You could in the City game that just couldn't play their game. So they needed to be more direct. And had to play Vidic up front to win the headers!

So sometimes, if they need to change their plan, and go a bit more direct, you can't have Rooney and Tevez winning headers. You need a target man, who can hold up the ball. Who can win the headers, and have the physical presence. And in United's case is willing to sit on the bench. So I they have already bought that striker in Manucho. They could buy Huntelaar for that situation, but Huntelaar is too talented to sit on the bench.

So they don't need a striker. They have Manucho who can be their plan B when they need one.
 
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Hmm I would have to disagree with that. I have been watching Benzema for 2 years now. And he has ENORMOUS potential. But to say he is better than the other striker is a bit OTT.

wich other striker? u mean elmander and huntelaar?
mate i didn't say benzema is a world class striker... i said he has to potential to become one of them... but if u'll read a post i wrote yesterday on the serie a thread, u'll also notice i don't consider the "potential" as a reliable factor.

nontheless, his touch, his presence in the box, his ability in keeping always the right distance from the cbs.... theese are qualities he already has....
i love elmander and i have high expectations on huntelaar.... but watching them playing, u just realise karim is a more complete player.

of course he still has a lot to work. afterall he's just 20.


they need is a tall striker with a physical presence......
......So sometimes, if they need to change their plan, and go a bit more direct, you can't have Rooney and Tevez winning headers. You need a target man, who can hold up the ball...

the point mate, is that having a physycal striker, who can hold the ball and work as a benchmark player would completely change man utd's gameplan. working on new movements, new kind of cuts from the side players (actually with a "benchmark striker" the wings shouldn't cut at all)... an new playing philosophy.

and no team in the world plays with 2 different playing philosophies, according to the players lined up. With a different line up, u might change some movements, the attitude of the team, but not the "core-philosophy", not the "dna" of the team. because behind that core-philosophy there are weeks, months, years of training and tactical sessions. this time is needed to let the players do "automatically" what the coach asks.

just take a look at roma. many people keep saying they need a tall physical striker, who might help the team in some situations. and that's true.
but a tall striker would also change for ever roma's football, because the reason why they play that awesome first touch football is exactly coz they miss a benchmark striker upfront.

man utd football is completely different from roma's football, but exactly as it happens for roma, the reason of their good points and weakness is the same; the lack of a benchmark striker. if they would get one, they would gain something.... but they would also miss something else.... and i don't think it's worthy :))
 
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I agree with Abhishek's points.The situation is actually perfect now.We have the right players.I would not change anyone else in the team except for Louis Saha maybe.He is supposedly playing his last season with us.IF he goes out,we need an identical replacement for Saha.Someone big and strong,able to hold the front and win headers.From what I see so far in Manucho,we ALREADY got that sort of player but,would he be eligable to play for us by next season? If he does,then I would rest my case.

Sir Alex came out today in reports saying how Saha is important to us.How his return to fitness was a big bonus for us.

"He gives us strength and penetration, and is different to everyone else. It was good that Louis has come back and scored"


That is how highly our Gaffer rates Mr Glass.Still,his future with is stays in doubt unless he goes all out now,staying fit and scoring goals to keep us in the running of retaining the Premiership.
 
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wich other striker? u mean elmander and huntelaar?
mate i didn't say benzema is a world class striker... i said he has to potential to become one of them... but if u'll read a post i wrote yesterday on the serie a thread, u'll also notice i don't consider the "potential" as a reliable factor.

nontheless, his touch, his presence in the box, his ability in keeping always the right distance from the cbs.... theese are qualities he already has....
i love elmander and i have high expectations on huntelaar.... but watching them playing, u just realise karim is a more complete player.

of course he still has a lot to work. afterall he's just 20.




the point mate, is that having a physycal striker, who can hold the ball and work as a benchmark player would completely change man utd's gameplan. working on new movements, new kind of cuts from the side players (actually with a "benchmark striker" the wings shouldn't cut at all)... an new playing philosophy.

and no team in the world plays with 2 different playing philosophies, according to the players lined up. With a different line up, u might change some movements, the attitude of the team, but not the "core-philosophy", not the "dna" of the team. because behind that core-philosophy there are weeks, months, years of training and tactical sessions. this time is needed to let the players do "automatically" what the coach asks.

just take a look at roma. many people keep saying they need a tall physical striker, who might help the team in some situations. and that's true.
but a tall striker would also change for ever roma's football, because the reason why they play that awesome first touch football is exactly coz they miss a benchmark striker upfront.

man utd football is completely different from roma's football, but exactly as it happens for roma, the reason of their good points and weakness is the same; the lack of a benchmark striker. if they would get one, they would gain something.... but they would also miss something else.... and i don't think it's worthy :))

I meant you saying Benzema is better than Villa, Torres or Rooney.

Anyways, saying you can't have 2 philosophies is not really correct. Arsenal could always play the champagne football, but last season, when teams got rough with them, and stopped them playing they couldn't. Look at this season. They have a tall striker in Adebayor, and they have won many games (Everton from the top of my head) not by playing beautiful football, but by going direct. Hoofing it to Adebayor, who holds it up, and plays. So that was Plan A and Plan B for Arsenal.

Now looking at United against City and Bolton. The teams got a bit rough and United couldn't play. They even TRIED to play direct, but without a proper target man they couldn't. So it's not about coaching your team a whole new playing style. It's just that when things arn't going your way, you can take Tevez off, bring a tall striker in (Manucho) and play more direct. And obviously, Manucho can hold the ball up, and the Rooneys and Ronaldos can they work around him with their movement. Having a Plan B would have probably put United on top at the moment. Hell even Barcelona need a plan B looking at some of their matches. And the plan B doesn't always have to be getting direct with a tall striker. It's just about going about a different approach.

Anyways, I think the only player United need to buy is Lahm. He'll sort out their right back problems, he can play on the left as backup for Evra, and Simpson can be given games on the right. Then I feel United are 'complete'.
 
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I feel for Gaz Neville.He was a rock in his prime but ever since he enters the big 30,he has become injury proned.What was first an ankle injury has now aggravated his calf and thigh too.His comeback has been delayed twice now and I dont know if he will ever come back this season.

Phillipe Lahm and Daniel Alves are two top full backs whom could offer another dimension to our attack.Both are relatively at the right age and if either one comes to us,that would be great.I am slightly leaning towards Lahm as he can play on either side and thats like buying two players at once.
 
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Knowing Sevilla, Alves is likely to cost around 30 million. And I think Barcelona will be interested in him.
 
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I meant you saying Benzema is better than Villa, Torres or Rooney.

:SS
but i did never say that :?:))

Anyways, saying you can't have 2 philosophies is not really correct. Arsenal could always play.....

sure mate.... but this is not having a different philosophy. this is just an attitude change.
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With a different line up, u might change some movements, the attitude of the team, but not the "core-philosophy", not the "dna" of the team
going for long ball for the striker is not really a philosophy, neither a game system. and it doesn't imply new movements from all the players. it is just a slight movements change by 2\3 players. the players don't have to learn anything new so it's possible.

but then, once u have such a big resource as a tall striker, u might be tempted by the possibility of playing a much more "easy" and "covered" football. :))

it's just my personal view of course. but man utd worked so hard on their playing philosophy in the last few years and i wouldn't do anything which could "break the toy", if u know what i mean ;))
 
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So, just a change in attitude then :whistle:

I am saying is you need to mix things around. About being tempted into playing direct always, well that's the manager's choice isn't it? And we know Ferguson is experienced enough to know what to do.
 
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So, just a change in attitude then :whistle:

:DD
well, mate, the goalkeeper (or the cb) going deep for adebayor; fabregas pushing for rebounds, hleb and eboue doing cross-overs to create some fast triangulations....
it's not really that big deal. and definitely it doesn't requires months of tactical sessions :DD..


btw mate, i respect your points. many people here in italy too shares your feelings (they express your same points, talking about roma).... but i honestly don't.
i saw many teams loosing their identity, once they got a big guy upfront.... and those teams too were coached by legendary coaches... (boskov's sampdoria in the 90s, zeman's lecce 4 years ago, van gaal's barca in 2000.....) :))
 
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