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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

I would go for ballack, he would bring enourmous quality to ManUtd. And imediate impact.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

But whats the point if you're gonna have to go and buy another Keane in a few more years?
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

I doubt its a few more, maybe 4. Keanes had some bad injuries in his time which is why he started declining a little earlier than he should have.
Ballack is proven on every stage and hes a leader. Essien, a quality player maybe but hes got alot more to do to justify that price tag.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

That price tag was probably for Chelsea only. If we made a move and Essien made it clear that he wants to join us? We could probably get him for cheaper.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

Whether Ballack or Essien, I just want to see it done soon. They have that Asian tour coming up, and it would be great to have next years team all sorted so they can get games playing together.

And as much of a bad subject as it is, United really need to either offload or loan out the below players (and I'm probably missing some)
Miller
Richardson
Bellion
Kleberson

And I think its time to start thinking of loan/actualy game time for:
Rossi
Jones
Spector
Pique
Eagles
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

I think before the end of last season,Sir Alex actually said that its graduation time for Rossi,Jones and Pique.These 3 should now feature in amongst the first team games next season.About Spector and Eagles,they've kinda made it thru and its only a matter of snapping up the chance to shine.These 5 players are the best of the bunch along with S.Ebanks-Blake and F.Ngalula.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

RuneEdge said:
But whats the point if you're gonna have to go and buy another Keane in a few more years?
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SAF, in the last three years has been trying to find a replacement for Keane, but has not succeded yet(Kleberson for example)! There is always the fact that Essien might fail to adapt, but with Ballack that is something that is VERY unlikely to happen.
I think the time for experiments has ended, you need to renew the center of the midfield now.

I bet if chelsea weren't interested, you could have bought him already for 15M€. They are just using chelsea to pressure ManUtd to pay more. Just like Gilardino.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

You are right but lets say we spend about £15million on Ballack, in about 3 years, we'll be looking for a new player. But with Essien, he'll last over 10 years and if we dont like him, we could still sell him cuz he's still young.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

How much do you think Ballack would cost?
And is he past his best?
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

well if there quoting 12-13m for Viera now id say around that mark maybee 15m tops!
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

We're supposed to be the biggest club in the world, lets prove it and go for both !! Imagine a central pairing of Ballack and Essien, both are box to box hard working midfielders, who could take it in turns to steam forward or help out the back four, both have an eye for goal, Ballack is a handful in the air and deadly at set pieces which is something we have'nt addressed since Becks left. If Keano's times up this season its only a matter of time before Scholes is gonna have to be replaced, let's not have to piss about next season,if they are both available now , go for them now.
Unrealistic , but just imagine them both in the centre of the park.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

I was thinking the same thing a while ago but I dont see it happening.
But like you said, it would be perfect. And if we were playing 4-3-3, we would have either Keano or Scholes in there WITH them. Imagine that.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

So far,we can only hope.Aside from small talk in the tabloid papers,we have yet to read anything concrete about our interest in Ballack.Heres another story from the Sunday Mirror.

Ballack on the way?
Bayern Munich are bracing themselves for a bid from Manchester United for Michael Ballack. Sir Alex Ferguson is a long-time admirer of Ballack who has just a year left on his contract. Ballack has said he sees the Premiership as his next move - and he'd consider signing for United. He said: "I see England as the best place for the next stage of my development and of course a team like Manchester United would interest me. Ballack's comments have angered the German champions, who would look to end any United interest by slapping a £15m-plus price-tag on the 29-year-old star.
Staff reporter, Sunday Mirror
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

Now that I think about it. If we get Ballack and do well, we could probably afford Essien next season. Essien said a few weeks back that if he decides to stay at Lyon, he'll definately move the next season. Plus we a chance to see if Essien really is the real deal at Lyon for another year.

If we sign Ballack and Owen and then Rio signs the contract, I think we'll be ready to take on anyone. With Van Der Sar and Park in the team too, we dont really have a weakness in the squad. The only thing stopping us from success would be the players themselves.

I'd feel sorry for the reserve team. How on earth are they gonna break through?
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

Yanks Abroad is the first to learn that Manchester United and U.S. national team defender Jonathan Spector will join Charlton Athletic for the 2005/06 Premiership season.
"Jonathan will be heading to Charlton for the season," Spector's agent Steve Kelly confirmed to YA Saturday morning. "This will be a huge opportunity for the lad and he is extremely excited to be heading to London."


"[Sir Alex] Ferguson rates him very highly, and this will be a great chance for Jonathan to pick up quality Premiership experience."

The 19-year old Spector is slated to join up with the London side in the coming days to begin training with his new club in preparation for the upcoming season.

Included on the Addicks' preseason schedule are friendlies with Watford on July 30th and against Feyenoord on August 3rd in what will be American showdowns with countrymen Jay DeMerit and Cory Gibbs, respectively.

At The Valley, the Chicago native will be under the guidance of longtime Charlton boss Alan Curbishley, manager at the club since 1991.

"Mr. Curbishley and Sir Alex are great friends and they both agree that this [loan] will be in the best interest off all involved," Kelly explained. "Jonathan for now, Charlton in the short-term, and in the long run, Manchester United."

The loan will mark the second time in eight months that the youngster has been farmed out by Manchester United. The previous spell to Blackburn Rovers - which was announced in December 2004 and to become official on January 1st of this year - was eventually rescinded as the injury plagued Red Devils kept Spector at Old Trafford as rearguard cover.

Last season, Spector made eight appearances for Man Utd, three each in the Premiership and Champions League and one apiece in the FA and Carling Cup competitions.

The Addicks finished the 2004/05 campaign in 11th place and will look to build upon that position when they open their season away to Sunderland on August 13th.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

So Keano is 34 this year right? That is pretty old. Scholes in only one year older than Ballack though. So if Ballack does come, I would imagine he and scholes are the solution for a couple years, with a wait and see attitude on others. I think SAF still expects Fletcher to develop into good enough player, and I have to think that Jones is on his mind at some level.
I hope the comment about a few of the reserves 'graduating' this year is right, that would be good. Read that Spector is heading to Charlton, that's good news, get a year in the prem under his belt before coming into the United squad. Hopefully.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

The loan is perfect for him. After seeing Richardson, I can only expect the same sort of success from Spector.

I hope Sylvan Blake goes on loan somewhere too. He has that Premiership look about him. I can easily picture him doing well for a Premiership team.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

i see getting Richardson and Miller back...UNLESS we can get Essien or Ballack...cause if not, it would be great to have some proven youngsters here and it would be a great time to let Keane and Scholes rest while they get some nice playing time!!!

I must say as well that we won't go buying both cause it's impossible to suit them with the proper playing times each and with all those other people. I mean, our midfield will be crushed with Giggs, Keane, Scholes, Park, Essien, Ballack...(that's if we play Ronaldo as forward...if not, he will be in as well)...way too much!!!
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

Playing Miller and Richardson is risky right now. Of course its a good idea to give them a game but 3 points are at stake and its not worth losing that just to see how well the youngsters have progressed.
I think this was Sir Alex's biggest problem. He swapped and changed the team around too much and it cost us results. So much happened over the season that its hard to remember all the weird line ups we had.
We've had O'Shea in midfield, Keane at CB, Kleberson just behind the striker, Fortune at left back (which isnt his best position), Rooney on the wing (which actually works IMO), Miller on the wing, the list goes on.
And doing this took time for the players to adapt to the new positions and even though most of the positions worked later, it cost valuable points in the process.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

RuneEdge said:
How much do you think Ballack would cost?
And is he past his best?
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Well, considering that his contract ends next summer, and the player's quality, I would say 20M€.

According to Juve, RM made a bid of 30M€ for Vieira. (just for comparison)

I don't think he his past is best. I think he has more to show.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

Well he's a better goal scorer than Essien so he might be better to get.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

I think we need a consistent line-up and less playing around with positions.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

I agree. As long as the team stays the same, everything will start to fall into place.

And isnt Ballack also a DM? Thats what the FIFA and PES games show him as. I personally havnt seen any evidence of that but I could be wrong.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

i see Ballack a DM and just comes up to help in the attack.

But i really do agree that if Ballack comes, it would be great...if not...yeah, maybe you're right (wait...not maybe, u are) a good and stable line-up is what we need now!!!
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

Hopefully SAF learned his lesson last season. At the start his shuffling was necessary as there were so many key injuries. but as the season went on, he clearly viewed each game as a chance to play unkown talents, and get a feel for them. Didn't work out. Problem is, we still have a bunch of those unknown talents, such as Kleb, Miller, and even Fletcher to some degree. Actually, I'll also add Ole and Saha to that list, as both need some premiership games to see what they offer United this season. So I really don't know what he'll do. Its great to have a squad with so many potential first teamers, but its also hurting us.

Oh and ballack played DM-ish in the Confederations cup. And his passing and vision was superb, plus, and this is huge IMO, he can take free kicks. Note how mayn goals we scored from free kicks vs. premiership average last year. We suck from set pieces. Which must simply come down to training, and hte fact that when Rooney was sole striker he's kind of short ;)
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!

So if Ballack can be a DM, maybe its worth buying him at all costs.
 
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