Manchester United Thread

Lami said:
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I haven't been following any football news lately. That's shocking.
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I've no problem with the decision to get rid of LVG (right call) but literally every major news outlet in the UK ran with stories about 5 minutes after the trophy presentation that it was all done. So someone leaked something, and presumably it was the media who timed it.

So when (poor?) LVG came into the post-match press conference, the knives were well and truly out. He couldn't even enjoy that.

We're becoming a good fit for Jose. Sob.

(but I'm still optimistic for next season)
 
Dutch paper reporting Zlatan already signed for us. Always wanted to see him in the PL. Rashford, Martial and Zlatan up front.. *Drools*

Playing Fifa 17 with United might become cheat mode.
 
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dplane said:
Dutch paper reporting Zlatan already signed for us. Always wanted to see him in the PL. Rashford, Martial and Zlatan up front.. *Drools*

Playing Fifa 17 with United might become cheat mode.
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Is Rashford even in 16 ;) ?

Zlatan + Jose seems to make sense. I don't enough about his actual, teammate-related personality to comment, but he'd bring some leadership one would assume.
 
Zlatan is a beast in Ligue1 not sure what he could bring to EPL at 34 yrs old . Mou likes to bring old dawgs w/ him tbf.
 
bebo said:
Zlatan is a beast in Ligue1 not sure what he could bring to EPL at 34 yrs old . Mou likes to bring old dawgs w/ him tbf.
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Like Beach said the leadership role could be huge. Especially bringing some semi intelligent brute like balls. We've been too nice at times.

Also: we might not need Fellaini for his aerial presence anymore. Zlatan is even taller, no? XD
 
Zlatan could be better impact for United than RVP, i fear this deal more than United having Mourinho...
 
Pipa: presence wise for sure, but one thing that made RvP so effective is that his close ball control and first touch was/is superb, along with his upper body strength. Now I know most would argue Zlatan has that too but has it ever been truly tested in a league as physical as PL? We ll see. P. S. RvP scored 22 for Fenerbache despite missing quite a few games or coming off the bench. Still think we got rid of him too soon. But.. We might not have had Martial and Rashford rise to the occasion.

gerd said:
Zlatan and Mourinho is a guarantee for disaster.
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I was waiting for Gerd to jump in with the downer. All reports seem to imply though the two love each other?
 
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They already worked together, i just heard. Was that with Inter?

Anyway, imo both Zlatan and Mourinho are short term solutions. What will happen to Rashford when Zlatan ia there, under Mourinho? I think he will seldom play...

United used to be the one big club that used youth players. Mourinho is not a manager for young players (remmenservice Lukaku and De Bruyne for instance).

Mourinho is not the right manager for United. He might be succesfull one or two seasons, but he has no long term vision.
 
the problem with Mourinho or anyone is not that he is a bad manager, even though he show at Chelsea that he lost it last season...

The problem for him is the competition now... i mean there will be world class managers in PL next season, with maybe 8 - 9 teams fighting for top 4...

he might take United back to the top 4 spots but next season will be about each point...from beggining...

Zlatan can get these points... home and away...
 
I agree with Gerd, but I'm not sure who else we could risk taking at this point. It's such a crucial appointment for the club, I can understand why we've gone with the closest thing possible to a 'sure thing'.

I fear where we'll be in 2.5 years though. Fingers crossed Rashford is still at OT!
 
Good lord LVG has aged well:
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Maybe Zlatan can be a good thing for these youngsters to look up to. Can bring talent and confidence.
 
Will be a good appointment for the rest of the league. Constant media attention with a pep vs jose storyline. Petty digs and bullshit all-round. meanwhile the rest of the league can get on with the actual football. One of the reasons I cant stand him, and enjoyed this season, no crappy mindgames nonsense and most managers being respectful to each other.
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
Will be a good appointment for the rest of the league. Constant media attention with a pep vs jose storyline. Petty digs and bullshit all-round. meanwhile the rest of the league can get on with the actual football. One of the reasons I cant stand him, and enjoyed this season, no crappy mindgames nonsense and most managers being respectful to each other.
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Totally agree...when he was with Porto and the first time at Chelsea, i liked him...but gradaully i got tired of his ego and his paranoia...

IMO appointing him may prove to be the biggest mistake Man United have done since Ferguson retired. In short term he will perhaps be more succesfull than both Moyes and LVG, but he will leave in his third season and will leave a mess behind.

Man United should appoint a good young manager (Pocchetino, Koeman, the guy from Bournemouth,...à and give him 5 seasons...don't expect silverware in the first two seasons, but good football...

You know despite the anti-climatic end as a Spurs fan i just lived our most satisfying season ever...the reason? Good, attractive football with young players who are a team...you don't need to invest millions to get that...

Mourinho will invest a shitload of money and it will only be short term...players like Rashford and Lingaard could be lost for United...
 
We'll see which Mourinho we get at United. I would have had him in 2013 when Fergie left in a heartbeat, but since then I feel like he's gone even more down the caricature road.

Pros of Jose
- Confidence, not awed by the club/task
- Proven in both the CL and the Premier League
- Has respect of players
- The media absolutely f*cking adore him
- Tactically he used to be the best in the business
- He REALLY wants the United job, and has done for ages

Cons of Jose
- Has no track record of incorporating youth*
- He's a giant, classless assh*le most of the time
- He seems to break squads when he leaves
- His transfer record isn't great imo
- Mata

However, given the options available to United, I think they HAD to go with the most proven bet. Poch didn't want it, Koeman could be a 1 season wonder, De Boer doesn't have experience outside of Holland, Simeone is nuts, all major players are taken. We just can't risk not at least trying Jose, basically. Which is a testament to how badly LVG did.

* There are a few notable exceptions, Balotelli, Varane, Robben, Hazard and most crucially United marketing have stuck 'Youth' on our f*cking slogan (vomits) so you feel he'll be under more pressure in that sense.
 
It's not a fair dig on Koeman, he's done great w/ a skeleton squad that's been ripped apart. Cholo is passionate just like Klopp both bleeding for their clubs. Cholo (batman) v Klopp (superman) w'd be an epic round of events. Me personally I 'd explode of jealousy lol.

The thing about Mou you'd think he's been serve humble pie and the years has gone by. At what point do you realise , getting sacked after winning so much needs to stop? He's a winner n when he losing he destroys... It's simple let him build (earn) trust just don't hand it to him. Mourinho will do good , whether he wins or not the disadvantages are gone , much to do .
 
He'll buy players in their early 20's but I read that Davide Santon is the only academy player he has given a debut to who has gone on to be somewhat of a regular.

Bodes well that Rashford already has a number of appearances at PL level because there's no way Mourinho would have used him, no matter the injury situation.
 
Yeah, I still don't really want him here either, but with the board not willing to give Giggs a chance or other "unproven" winner, there's no one available but him.

Let's hope that he changes a bit and is willing to incorporate youth and doesn't destroy the team/staff when he leaves in 3 years time giving us an EPL title and a CL title....(yea, i know, the chances of that happening is less likely than a 5000/1 odd. lol)

On that note though, i did read somewhere that ESPN was hinting the problem with his 2nd Chelsea collapse was on the board not allowing him to change the coaching staff. He wanted to change it the 1st time he was at Chelsea, but left before it happened and now a few staff members has had too much power now and he couldn't change the staff and its what hurt his relationship with the players. Not sure how much to buy into that...
 
if it´s true, than why keep it a secret?... wouldn´t he already explain why he left the way he left? i mean it was a major blow to his reputation how he ended up at chelsea imo..
 
yeah, thus take it with a pinch of salt...(or a handful of salt)...

Anywayz, hope it will turn out better than what we expect and next season's EPL will be tightly contested and entertaining on the pitch (and not just in the press room).
 
Jose will most likely claim this United job is THE only job he truly ever wanted and that he is home.
Some United fans will lap it up but the majority should see through Jose and his pantomime.
Alex played the everybody hates us, we don't care card perfectly. Jose trys to emulate this and ends up being hated himself and not the club he's at.

He'll win United something over the next two to three years but at a cost.

I still feel Giggs and other ex-United players should be given the reigns long term.
 
I agree. That's what Barca do to keep the team's philosophy intact and to keep the club bigger than the players moto going.

However, the main difference is that there is a Barca B team that they can start with first and Giggs and co do not have that luxury. You can let them manage the U21 or U18, but those are very diff from Barca B or Real B teams as those play in lower divisions that are competitive with relegation on the line.
 
Giggs is not Pep and United are not Barcelona, Im not sure why this notion has come about where it's seen as the 'right thing to do'

it's a fantastic fairytale for Giggs to take over and us to shine and become a force with him at the helm. Reality is very different and he'd be gone by Christmas as we float the relegation places.

Ultimately we do as a club, need to get back to the top because the longer we wait, it becomes a poisened chalice like the situation at Liverpool. Jose for all his faults, if he delivers a PL title REGARDLESS of anything else is a success because we need that post Sir Alex to truly 'move on' from his tenure.
 
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