Manchester United Thread

yeah, thus take it with a pinch of salt...(or a handful of salt)...

Anywayz, hope it will turn out better than what we expect and next season's EPL will be tightly contested and entertaining on the pitch (and not just in the press room).
 
Jose will most likely claim this United job is THE only job he truly ever wanted and that he is home.
Some United fans will lap it up but the majority should see through Jose and his pantomime.
Alex played the everybody hates us, we don't care card perfectly. Jose trys to emulate this and ends up being hated himself and not the club he's at.

He'll win United something over the next two to three years but at a cost.

I still feel Giggs and other ex-United players should be given the reigns long term.
 
I agree. That's what Barca do to keep the team's philosophy intact and to keep the club bigger than the players moto going.

However, the main difference is that there is a Barca B team that they can start with first and Giggs and co do not have that luxury. You can let them manage the U21 or U18, but those are very diff from Barca B or Real B teams as those play in lower divisions that are competitive with relegation on the line.
 
Giggs is not Pep and United are not Barcelona, Im not sure why this notion has come about where it's seen as the 'right thing to do'

it's a fantastic fairytale for Giggs to take over and us to shine and become a force with him at the helm. Reality is very different and he'd be gone by Christmas as we float the relegation places.

Ultimately we do as a club, need to get back to the top because the longer we wait, it becomes a poisened chalice like the situation at Liverpool. Jose for all his faults, if he delivers a PL title REGARDLESS of anything else is a success because we need that post Sir Alex to truly 'move on' from his tenure.
 
Oh surely, Mourinho will bring you silverware. Back at the top? Don't think so.
Being back at the top is competing year after year for title, CL and Cup (i'm not saying 'winning').
This will take time and if you want success like under Ferguson well, that is impossible to repeat in a good league...
 
PIPA23 said:
LOL chelsea still owning Mourinho brand :)
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Surely that's illegal? How can a corporate entity own an individual's name who is no longer an employee there?

Typical of Chelsea to keep a hold of it to try and make life tough for Jose's future jobs. I mean, how valuable can a combination of Jose and Chelsea brand really be? Who is going to buy something Chelsea branded featuring Jose after his exit?

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Matthew Norman, Independent

While the next Premier League season promises to be unusually riveting for followers of football, it may be even more so for students of psychoanalysis.

Jose Mourinho is back, nominally to manage Manchester United, but also and more intriguingly to address a time honoured conundrum about the human experience: are we truly capable of fundamental change, or are we inescapably shackled to patterns of behaviour that will inevitably repeat themselves?

The pattern that has defined the Portuguese’s remarkable career is wearyingly familiar. Early success in a new job goes hand in hand with a simulated warmth and twinkly eyed mischievousness which encourages a slavish media. But by his third season at a club, the players appear to be exhausted and sick to their eye teeth of his ravings. As the results deteriorate and the pressure intensifies, the cocky charmer facade evaporates to reveal a hissing puff adder, randomly spraying his venom at any perceived opponent who wanders into his range.

Such targets have included referees, like the Swede Anders Frisk, who retired after allegations of collusion with Barcelona that elicited death threats from Chelsea’s notoriously good-natured fan base, Tito Vilanova, when assistant coach of Barca – behind whom with typical grace in defeat – Mourinho snuck up and poked in the eye while at Real Madrid in 2011, and most recently the Chelsea doctor Eva Carneiro, whom last season Mourinho publicly criticised for her eccentric decision to attend to a player in accord with rules mandating urgent medical treatment for players with possible head injuries.

As his situation deteriorates and the sack heaves into view, Mourinho unleashes ritualistic mutterings about betrayal – by the chairman, his players, the Mossad, the people who faked the moon landings, David Icke’s giant lizards, etc. Finally, in lieu of a straitjacket, he is handed a multimillion pound pay-off cheque and departs for a disappointingly brief spell of wound-licking, before re-emerging to reprise the psychodrama at another club.

The one cause for optimism about the coming reinstatement at Old Trafford is that it may be his last. At the very highest level of European club football, this could be his final chance. The aggression may remain undimmed, but his astounding talent seems to be waning. Genius – and however soporific the football with which he achieved it, he has shown a genius for winning – seldom endures for long. His recent form (two league titles in six years) compares dismally with the six titles and two Champions League triumphs in the previous eight.

In stylistic terms, Mourinho and Manchester United are such a mismatch that the hiring looks more desperate than inspired. A club with such vaunting self-regard for its flamboyant traditions that it styles its home ground (yeuch) “the Theatre of Dreams” has hired a grandmaster of mechanical, formulaic counter-attacking play, who offloads his most creative talent and abandons rare forays into progressive football at the first sign of defensive frailty.

His renewal of hostilities with Pep Guardiola, the new coach of Manchester City, lends a cheaply Manichean air to the melodrama. Once, Guardiola was hired by Barcelona in preference to Mourinho, who had lobbied almost as long and hard for it as he did for the United job. He was outraged to be overlooked, and more so when the inexperienced Guardiola swiftly created arguably the greatest and most thrilling club side the world has seen.

Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader is one analogy this rivalry brings to mind, and Jesus vs Satan another, though one writer more accurately compares it with Sherlock Homles and Professor Moriarty. If these two are destined to go to the Reichenbach Falls, please God the Spaniard in the deerstalker is the survivor come next May when they’re handing out the Premier League trophy.

Yet such a reference flatters Mourinho. Hatred, envy and implacable resentment are grandiose flaws which add texture to any conflict. You would not wish every coach to be as saintly and adorable as Claudio Ranieri, whom Mourinho replaced at Chelsea in 2004 and routinely ridiculed thereafter (though not so much this season, curiously, when Leicester’s 1-0 win over Chelsea preceded his firing by three days). Every drama, sporting and otherwise, needs its anti-hero.

Yet peevishness, petulance and footling paranoid delusions are niggly failings that serve only to demean football. If Mourinho regards himself as a coaching rottweiler, the endless yapping casts him more as one of those toy dogs he keeps as pets. Nothing wrong with those, of course, especially in a bap with a squirt of mustard and ketchup. But the noise does tend to grate on the nerves.

Of all the complaints about Mourinho, the gravest is not the accusation that he is a nasty, egomaniacal hysteric of the kind you would do anything – possibly short of taking hemlock, and quite possibly not – to avoid sitting beside on the top deck of a bus.

It is that, with the unceasing whining about treachery and conspiracy, and consequent creation of the siege mentality which binds a squad together for a short while before the battle fatigue sets in, he is an even more crashing bore than the football he produces.
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beachryan said:
We'll see which Mourinho we get at United. I would have had him in 2013 when Fergie left in a heartbeat, but since then I feel like he's gone even more down the caricature road.

Pros of Jose
- Confidence, not awed by the club/task
- Proven in both the CL and the Premier League
- Has respect of players
- The media absolutely f*cking adore him
- Tactically he used to be the best in the business
- He REALLY wants the United job, and has done for ages

Cons of Jose
- Has no track record of incorporating youth*
- He's a giant, classless assh*le most of the time
- He seems to break squads when he leaves
- His transfer record isn't great imo
- Mata

However, given the options available to United, I think they HAD to go with the most proven bet. Poch didn't want it, Koeman could be a 1 season wonder, De Boer doesn't have experience outside of Holland, Simeone is nuts, all major players are taken. We just can't risk not at least trying Jose, basically. Which is a testament to how badly LVG did.

* There are a few notable exceptions, Balotelli, Varane, Robben, Hazard and most crucially United marketing have stuck 'Youth' on our f*cking slogan (vomits) so you feel he'll be under more pressure in that sense.
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Hazard though young wasn't a kid at all in terms of his career. He came to Chelsea as the best player in Ligue 1, someone who led Lille to a title. Varane, Balotelli and Robben were exceptions, but all of them were considered extraordinary talents, something a player like Rashford wasn't, same case for Fosu-Mensah and Lingard as well. They were all considered talented players, but I don't think they were seen as players who would be the best at their position someday, the likes of aforementioned names were (and apart from Balotelli I'd say all of those have shown it).

The other difference was that apart from Balotelli none of those players were academy-graduates.
 
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Just remember. He is not the same Mourinho that he use to be and everyone pretty much knows his mind-tricks and his tactics..
 
Mou holding the MUTD kit in that suit looks the most classiest I ever saw him, happiest look too. He finally got the job he always wanted.
 
José Mourinho said: "To become Manchester United manager is a special honour in the game. It is a club known and admired throughout the world. There is a mystique and a romance about it which no other club can match."

chelsea fans must be tearing his banners at SB right now :D

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bebo said:
Mou holding the MUTD kit in that suit looks the most classiest I ever saw him, happiest look too. He finally got the job he always wanted.
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Yeah that's kind of the feeling you get. He s been sucking up to / making so many positive comments about United over the years this most kind of feel like a personal accomplishment to him to finally manage United. Hopefully he can handle the pressure. Might seem weird to say that but even LVG who always seemed to have a feck everyone but me attitude cracked under the weight of the club.

Telling fans to forget about the last three years is kinda ballsy, but I expected no less from Mou.
 
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PIPA23 said:
José Mourinho said: "To become Manchester United manager is a special honour in the game. It is a club known and admired throughout the world. There is a mystique and a romance about it which no other club can match."

chelsea fans must be tearing his banners at SB right now :D

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Don't think they should, it's just the truth :SMUG:
 
I read a rumour that Giggs will leave. Alledgedly (English' most difficult word imo) Mourinho didn't want him as assistent manager. The club wanted to give him another job, but Giggs didn't agree and he will leave...

Sad. This guy is a club legend as big as Bobby Charlton or Alex Ferguson.

United are a shadow of the club they used to be. The change in manager was also very, very classless...it's hard to have sympathy with an arrogant person as Van Gaal, but now he deserves some sympathy.

Like i already said, Mourinho will for sure win some silverware in the short term, but he will leave United worse off than they are right at the moment.
 
Don't know why we'd keep Giggs to be honest. If he wants to become a full fledged manager he needs to go and manage. He's not going to get United as his first job - that's insanity.

In theory he's been 'number 2 in charge' for our least successful spell in 35 years. Obviously not all his fault, but it says he either had no influence or he was culpable.

I'm sure United offered him a role, but he wanted something more senior.

The one we have to keep is Warren Joyce. Guy is a miracle worker. While the national media were harping on about how United's youth system is a disgrace back in October, he's not only produced Lingard, Rashford, CBJ (and Welbz etc) but United also comfortably won the U21 title - you wouldn't know of course because that doesn't fit the media narrative. They also play superb football, and had one of the youngest teams as so many of our youth players are on loan or in the first team.

Many United fans wanted him to take over as caretaker manager for LVG months ago.
 
Utd play a lot of over age players in the U21s - including their top goalscorer

For comparison, the number of players over the age limit used by the top 5 in the U21's league:

Utd: 12 (3579 mins / 39 games) http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united-u21/leistungsdaten/verein/9251
Sunderland: 2 (270 mins / 3 games) http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/afc-sunderland-u21/leistungsdaten/verein/9264
Everton: 9 (1896 mins / 21 games) http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton-u21/leistungsdaten/verein/9261
City: 0 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city-u21/leistungsdaten/verein/9265
Chelsea: 1 (270 mins / 3 games) http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea-u21/leistungsdaten/verein/9250

Utd do have some good players at U21 level tho. Players like Wilson, Fosu Mensah, Perriera and one of the CMs, might have been Rothwell (not sure), stood out each time I've watched them (vs City). So even without the over age lot they'd still be a good side.
Funnily enough, Rashford was not impressive. Fully expected him to disappear back to youth football after his glut of goals in the 1st team but now he's on the plane to the Euros. Youth football is strange. Sometimes the players you least expect make it and those you think will be amazing end up at Doncaster

It's the youth teams below U21 level where Utd have/had problems.
 
So according to Sky, Mourinho wants to ship off Mata, Blind and Depay. Not sure I'm ok with Blind leaving. To me he's a solid player. Use him as a DMF. If not a starter, at least a solid backup.
 
Lami said:
So according to Sky, Mourinho wants to ship off Mata, Blind and Depay. Not sure I'm ok with Blind leaving. To me he's a solid player. Use him as a DMF. If not a starter, at least a solid backup.
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Blind is the kind of player every title winning team needs imho. A versatile player that is extremely consistent. Seems to fit with Mou s idea of a bench warmer. The other two entirely depend on who we d get instead. Mata would leave for the obvious reasons. I may regret this but Memphis leaving is the one I'd be least worried about.
 
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EDIT: Googled David De Gea since I think that's what you meant and saw this:

David De Gea allegations: Spain goalkeeper 'organised party at which woman was sexually assaulted'
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:/
 
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