Manchester United Thread

United weren't that bad and this against the best team in the league. Things went bad after the injury of your young Dutch side back.
 
Yes, best team in the league, despite Leicester.
And i'm far from the only one who thinks this.

I have big respect for Leicester, but Spurs play the better football. Will Leicester be an undeserved champion? Not at all.

Yesterday Spurs were quite mediocre for an hour, that is because Man Utd played well against the team with both the best attacker and defense.
 
Very weird tinkering which led to the collapse (Of course, losing Fosu-Mensa didn't help at all) but I think the biggest problem was losing Rashford (who I thought wasn't that bad) and placing Young on, we couldn't hold onto the ball at all in the attack, and thus, it really exposed our back line and Spurs clicked with their passes and did what they have done almost weekly this season.

I do agree that Spurs are the most dangerous team with the best defense and offense in this league (Leicester have done it more consistently, thus they are first and deservedly so), so with that in mind, I'm not so bothered that we lost, just bothered with the substitutions and the way we played...a team of headless chickens running around and not getting any quick passes together (By the time a pass was made, Spurs were already set up in their defense). Also, Rojo was totally exposed throughout the match...and Smalling and Blind didn't seem to like to talk today and we going for balls at the same time (even canceling each other out, leading to the opening goal)...

Just horrible and to have Man City drop points in 2 matches for us to get to 4th now is almost impossible...it was already barely possible for them to lose 1 match before...now 2....I don't see how we can finish top 4 this season...
 
City have De Bruyne back and they are a totally different team with him. Don't count on them loosing points.

And to be honest, this Man Utd does not deserve to play in the CL.
If there is a team besides Leicester, Spurs and city that should deserve to play CL it is West Ham United. For me they were as good as Spurs and Leicester, but they had loads of bad luck: injuries, referees decisions that went against them very often (Saturday for example). They were the only team that really deserved to win against Spurs.

Arsenal might end above Spurs, but they were awfull too.

And this Man Utd is playing dire football...but yesterday they were good imo.
 
It was very strange that LVG put Young on the pith for Rashford, but i wasn't really impressed with Rashford.

Mensah was playing a very good match and United were unlucky too loose him. In that seons Spurs were lucky.

What is very worrying from United's point of view is the way it al lwent wrong, in the end Spurs could have won with more than 3-0. Poor David De Gea, a world class GK in a very mediocre team.

You really should get rid of LVG, but please don't take Pocchetino. I know that Ferguson considers him the best manager of the EPL...
 
Wait, the season isn't over? ;)

I'm not watching us again until LVG is gone. I have too much in my life to spend it watching a sport which has removed entertainment. 2 away wins in 13 matches. 8 shots on goal in the last 4 complete matches. A SHOT every 45 minutes.

LVG has less points at this moment in the season (32 games) than Moyes did. Moyes was then sacked.

The bottom line is that the only thing exciting about Manchester United at the moment is the prospect of our manager leaving. Season tickets are up for renewal starting yesterday, and I desperately hope fans send Woodward and the Glazers a message they might listen to.

I no longer even feel bad for LVG for ruining his legacy - and lets face it lots of fans in the world will now only know him for his time at United - because he wont' do the right thing and leave. I don't care how much money is on the table, he's a rich, rich man who will never have to worry for money again. If he had any pride he would walk. He's been an utter, utter failure.
 
Beach, I'm afraid that this will not influence the sale of the season tickets. For every disgusted season ticket holder there are hunderds of others who are willing to step in and take his/her place.

I hear that for Spurs there was (last season) a 12 year long waiting list for a season ticket, i guess that for United the waiting list must be longer.

Lately i've heard a couple of interviews with LVG. He has a massive ego and every question is a cue to glorify himself and to prove he's right. About Leicester: " i was the first who saw the potential of Leicester and who predicted that they will be champion". That is only one example.

Read the fantastic book about Robert Enke and you will know what a bastard LVG is.

I hope for United that LVG will be sacked and that they will have a top manager, because i miss their energetic (counter) attacking football and their heroïc come backs.

But please, not Pocchetino...
 
Why would Pocchetino leave Spurs? Building a new stadium, is in London, teams doing great, will be in CL...can't see him coming to United. If he does well next season, expect Madrid to come calling though.

LVG is terrible. There's an interview with Nani doing the rounds about training is a nightmare, it's so dull and designed to coach out inventiveness, spontaneity and creativity. Sounds extremely true.

All I can hope is that we don't keep him so long that the players are ruined by him. I genuinely believe that we're about 3/4 players away from a pretty solid CL outfit, which is all we need to be at this moment in time to consolidate and start moving forwards. Get an actual CB in, a RB and an actual CF, combine them with any coach in the world other than LVG and things will improve.
 
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We were doing well until Mensah and Rashford left the pitch.
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Not sure if I can agree on this. We lack the desire to actually decide the game. We dominate possession, fair enough, but we simply create nothing out of it. We start well (for the first 20 minutes) but the only chance we created was Lingard missing the target.

We have the speed, but no joy, no desire to kill a game. We need some edges.

Fosu-Mensah was a joy to watch, good lad.
 
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Beach, I'm afraid that this will not influence the sale of the season tickets. For every disgusted season ticket holder there are hunderds of others who are willing to step in and take his/her place.

I hear that for Spurs there was (last season) a 12 year long waiting list for a season ticket, i guess that for United the waiting list must be longer.

Lately i've heard a couple of interviews with LVG. He has a massive ego and every question is a cue to glorify himself and to prove he's right. About Leicester: " i was the first who saw the potential of Leicester and who predicted that they will be champion". That is only one example.

Read the fantastic book about Robert Enke and you will know what a bastard LVG is.

I hope for United that LVG will be sacked and that they will have a top manager, because i miss their energetic (counter) attacking football and their heroïc come backs.

But please, not Pocchetino...
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I said before, if Pochetino ever leaves Tottenham, it'd be Madrid. I still stand by this even if was wrong.
 
received an interesting question today, would like to see what you guys think...

If you had a chance, would you want LVG or Moyes to be the Manchester United? Which you think was better?

I think that while Moyes never really had the full chance, and as much as I dislike the style LVG had our players playing, at least there was a game plan and style under LVG (didn't like it, but a style nonetheless), but under Moyes, I felt that it was all just long balls and play that was worst. (The players to blame? what if Moyes had Di Maria...)

So, with that said, I feel that LVG would still be a better choice than Moyes. What you guys think?
 
You'd probably be the opposite of what you are right now in terms of having a good record in the bigger games and a poor record in the 'lesser' games.

Can't really say how Moyes would have spent the 250+m tho
 
ss4_goku said:
received an interesting question today, would like to see what you guys think...

If you had a chance, would you want LVG or Moyes to be the Manchester United? Which you think was better?

I think that while Moyes never really had the full chance, and as much as I dislike the style LVG had our players playing, at least there was a game plan and style under LVG (didn't like it, but a style nonetheless), but under Moyes, I felt that it was all just long balls and play that was worst. (The players to blame? what if Moyes had Di Maria...)

So, with that said, I feel that LVG would still be a better choice than Moyes. What you guys think?
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Moyes simply didn't have the chance at all. Also that stupid guy in charge of getting players did nothing until waiting for the last moment to get Fellaini. I'm not saying he would've done great, but we've hardly seen much, plus we reading about players egos unhappy with his appointment. Now they have LVG, are they happier?

One thing I do like about LVG, is playing all these young ones. He'll play the ones he thinks have great potential, leaves the team, then comes the other manager and takes all the praise.
 
LVG over Moyes all day. I am confident that LVG would have got more out of the last Title winning team than Moyes did.

The anti-LVG sentiment from so called supporters and the predictable "he talks funny and calls us out on our stupidity" English press has been depressingly predictable and boring.

I have found it easy to spot a bandwagon supporter. What's noticeable is them choosing to completely ignore certain aspects of LVGs short tenure because it doesn't fit in with the bullshit rhetoric. A telltale sign that I am speaking to an idiot who thinks they know more about football than a highly experienced, decorated manager and coach.

It's very easy for me to see, and qualify, that LVG is exactly what we need right now. Even if he left this year (and I hope he doesn't) he would leave both youth set up and first team in better shape than when he took over.

And it's not as though we've missed out too much, no club has got a Man United like grip on the league since we started rebuilding.

A bit of perspective, look at the two teams who have won the league since we last won it.

That's TWO teams, two seasons, nearly three. Listen to detractors and you'd think it was a decade wait. United are nowhere near winning it this year granted but the other two recent title winners are nowhere near either.

As for the chasing pack, well......

Arsenal looks like an accident waiting to happen, shit you think we struggled when the incumbent manager moved on, wait till Wenger finally gets hounded out.

LFC, lol. Hodgson, Dalglish, Rodgers and now Klopp, since the 2010-11 season. Nuff said.

So for all the ABU's bitched about the dominance. When it inevitably ends none of the teams on our coat tails took up the mantle.....

but United are the failures.

I hope the amazing feats Spurs and City have pulled off this year isnt a fluke and we see more teams "going for it"
 
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No but just when you wrote that Liverpool won what couldn't be the most entertaining match of the year. And football is all about entertainment.
Results are more important?

Take a look at LVG's results...they are bad.

You know what is worst?

No other club is afraid of United. Under Ferguson, before the match started United had an advantage because every other club was afraid to get humiliated. Now the likes of Norwich win at Old Trafford...
 
gerd said:
No but just when you wrote that Liverpool won what couldn't be the most entertaining match of the year. And football is all about entertainment.
Results are more important?

Take a look at LVG's results...they are bad.

You know what is worst?

No other club is afraid of United. Under Ferguson, before the match started United had an advantage because every other club was afraid to get humiliated. Now the likes of Norwich win at Old Trafford...
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Sorry Gerd but that is a flawed evaluation. Entertainment is both subjective and arbitrary.

Entertainment does not fill trophy cabinets. Results do. Anyone who says different isn't used to their teams being in that position.

We had equally poor seasons under SAF, 01-02 springs to mind straight away. We lost 9 games in the league and finished third behind lfc. Guess what, we were entertaining that year, scored bags of goals.

Were the supporters happy? No. Did the press focus on us being entertaining? No.

I may be wrong, City supporters might not care about being Champions and would rather lose their last matches in entertaining 4-3 games and blow an amazing chance to win the League.

Or would they beg for Ranieri to engineer the most boring 1-nils and make history.

As for LVGS results being bad, I can only think you're comparing it to a United team from 7-8 years ago. Which is highly unfair. If LVG's results are as bad as you say they are then the 15 teams below us must be having awful seasons.

Oh and the likes of Norwich winning at OT is the way it should be, shouldn't it Gerd? Is that not entertainment? Seems you want it both ways (pause).
 
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I think the bigest fear of United supporters is the near future, always.... will be.. they are used to a manager who stayed there for very long time, each time used to having same plan, same style...with changes obviously, but now they already know LVG will be gone and the bigest fear is the future, what will bring appointment of a new manager.. other clubs know that feeling well, except maybe Arsenal, but United are new to this, especially the younger United fans... so this is a big shock for many of them i can only imagine... not knowing exactly what will happend. Even Mourinho is not a magican... he maybe will destroy the only good thing LVG did imo....and that´s introduction of many young players...

But i have to agree with Gerd, United lacks fear factor, it is gone... With situations like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ZNEilydrs
These players are only shadow of past United big leaders and figures... heck even Beckham had balls back then...

Mourinho might install it back but i personally think Mourinho is finished... i mean the real Mourinho... maybe im wrong but... see what he did to Chelsea.. he is not a long term solution..

The sooner United fans realise the days of their domination style football are over, the better will the players perform on pitch..because this is just to much pressure on them to perform..while you don´t have the quality...and even if you have the quality, they are to young or unexperienced or you don´t have a coach who can use them best way.... then there are underperforming stars like Rooney who just drain money from the club... idk, i dont care for United to be honest, but i sometimes feel sorry for the youngsters there... who have no fault in this...
 
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