Manchester United Thread

United can't afford to have 1 more season like this one. It's completely unfathomable what Woodward sees in LVG at this stage. Other than personal embarrassment, but is it possible to get as far in business as he has without sucking up pride? Not sure.

The issue with Lingard is this: in no less than 4 matches this season he has missed absolute, on a plate guilt edged chances - and then we've gone on to lose those matches. He misses at very crucial times, and we're punished. That, to be honest, is the difference between the top level and that just below. He also turns 24 this year - he's not young.

Would have loved it to be otherwise - I've watched him since he looked like a ball boy in the U18s squad - but nothing I've seen in his almost 20 appearances show me that he'll be cut out for the top level. Worth keeping as a squad player of course, but shouldn't be starting for an 'elite' club.
 
Godotelli said:
LVG stays on because (probably) Giggs doesn't want to be interim and Mourinho doesn't want to sully his record taking over now
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Seems to be the consensus, though not sure what world Jose lives in to think his record isn't already sullied.

Join today and make Top 4? Miracle work. Join today and not make Top 4? Nothing he could do.

Plus he can then get a wish list sorted for the summer.

All makes so much sense. Woodward will ensure it doesn't happen.
 
A few weeks back I read someone said Mutd will win the league, then said top 4 . He think Spurs don't have a chance and now they have a strong chance. The point is our views are translated by emotions . The reality is fixture result changes the views. Imagine the table complete change by the end of March.
 
i wonder how long this will go on... this is a realy big downfall in playing terms and looking forward to future... compared to where United were the last time they won the league...

so many mistakes came to gether and now it seems United fans are more lost than under Moyes...

will be interesting to see if they go again and splash money on superstars to save their image...or build a team in a world where there is no patience...

imo United should not appoint Mourinho... don´t know... but i doubt he will turn things around... the problem is in players, squad depth and quality as well..
 
It's so much worse than just this season. Who is going to join this United in the summer?

Last summer, we were back in the Top 4, on our way back to the top (ahem) and so could sign players like Depay (who was hotly desired at the time).

This summer, back out of the Top 4, no momentum, finished captain, no manager and so forth.

We're Liverpooling. Hardcore.
 
yeah, the big (negative) difference between Liverpool 1992/93 and United now is that even if Liverpool turned to a worse team in early through mid and late 90´s, there still was less competition for top 4 spots than there is now... i mean look at Leicester... they don´t need to sell that much and with good buys, they can be great again next season, if they keep their players...

English teams don´t need money that much, not even the midtable teams have no problems to attract better players than seasons ago... wich means the competition is higher and mistakes now in market or building team could mean years of struggle... for the top teams, including Liverpool...

There were no Chelsea´s, City´s back in mid 90´s to worry about... now they are...

Even Arsenal if they let Wenger go one day eventually could face a downfall, because with a manager who is so long at one club, there will be many things different once he will retire one day...

Football is all about results now, there is not even that much passion in the game in england as there was in the golden days a decade - two ago... there is only high prices, big big money and tourists in stadiums instead of hard core fans...

i went off topic here but my point is, that this could be much worse than just Liverpooling for United... as you have to worry about more than Liverpool and Arsenal in this day and age..

still two or three wins for United and you will smile again...
 
There's a lot of truth in that. I'm personally still fascinated to see if City or Chelsea get hit by the plummeting oil prices. Chelsea are already looking more frugal - but City's entire existence is predicated on both an Emerati family's benevolence, and sponsorship deals with other Emerati companies. So who knows. Both clubs need some serious summer spending too.

United may just be 3 wins from a different opinion - but recent history suggests we'll be lucky to get those before May!
 
also it is all down to players - manager in the end...

if players believe in manager and manager believes in players and if everything clicks...like with Ranieri...they will overachieve... take Mahrez and Vardy out of Leicester, and they will struggle... bring Suarez to Liverpool and they will win the league...

maybe united need a special player, someone who can lift the spirits and introduce belief again to the whole team...

with LVG it will not happend... i read yesterday Carrick said that he has run out of ideas.... so....even people who don´t follow United all the time as myself can see the body language of the players and how they react after a match like yesterday....
 
thats true a player's present can lift the squad , just as their absence can lower their expectations. I keep seeing Leicester this n Leicester that! Everyone is letting Spurs creep up the table w/o notice. They have a different MOTM each game wtf! We need to do something about them!!! There's many Africans in Africa that will kill themselves . :)
Very interesting about oil rich clubs .I put 1.50 this morning it's been 14yrs ago , it's been that low. Some saying it will drop to 0.99 that was back in 1992 lol
I'm sry gerd your club has a winning mentally (lvl 8) more then any other atm.
 
nah, I think Fergie will block Mou from entering OT in any capacity. The class of '92 will run the club...they probably have a youth coach in place. Imagine every club in the league getting 100m in the summer. Arsenal will bank there`s and raise the ticket gates .
 
Godotelli said:
Love the way Bedy Moratti just casually throws LVG under Jose's bus lol
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It's all Mendes' plots...

Tons of talk of United preferring Giggs.

Here are the reasons to expect Giggs to be able to manage Manchester United:

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faith.

Our company, sorry club, is being run by lunatics.
 
people seem to forget Guardiola was a coach of the second team before he moved up...

it´s the same with Gerrard, when there was talk of him being coach for LFC... realy? :D

seriously if Giggs is next United manager, it will be crazy appointment... i kind of want to see the outcome of that just for the sake of it...
 
I honestly wouldn't mind Giggs taking over but only if someone like Queirosz was appointed as coach.
If not then Mourinho is the only logical option and we can cut this class of 92 bull out.
 
Pep is very, VERY much the exception to the rule. Trusting Giggs just because of the once in a lifetime success of Pep is idiocy of the highest order.

If Giggs is able to coach worth a damn and can show football management skills than why have his two tenures as assistant manager been so woeful?!
 
Surely, beach????
Now you are saying that Giggs is to blame too...
The bad results are the responsability of the two managers, of Ed Woodward and also of the players. Not an assistant manager.
What was Giggs supposed to do?

If my boss wants to do something i consider a stupidity, i can only advise him not to do that. In the end what he does is his responsability, not mine. What should Giggs do? Leave his job? Surely not...he is there to learn. Quiting now would be suicide.

It happens fairly regular that ex-players turn out to be excellent managers/coaches. Guardiola is not the only example. In Blegium alone i know 4 excellent examples: Raymond Goethals (who won the CL with Marseille), Gerets (champion with his first club, unfancied Lierse and afterwards succesfull on 3 continents) and Hein Vanhaezebrouck (current AA Gent manager).

Is it more difficult to manage a huge club like United? I don't think so.

I'm not saying that Giggs will be a success, but it's too early to say that he is not the right man.
 
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Totally disagree. Giggs is, in theory, 2nd in command of footballing matters at Manchester United. He may not set the agendas, but he runs the meetings.

Players look demotivated and unhappy. Surely club legend Ryan Giggs could help with that? No one on our left can seemingly cross a ball, surely legendary left winger Ryan Giggs could come up with a couple drills in training? We utterly fail in so many areas, but Giggs - again 2nd in command here - can't do anything?

If the assistant manager can't help the team in anyway, then what is he even there?

Surely Giggsy is in charge of SOMETHING, and given everyhting ha gone wrong, that means he's failing too. :(
 
I say give it to Giggs see what he's made of. Koeman was LVG no.2 @Barca then LVG was the Ed Wood to Koeman @ajax . All I know was zlatan went to Juve behind Koeman back on deadline day w/o a replacement . My point is LVG doesn't consult w/ Giggs I'd imagine (old dogs don't do new tricks) Giggs just takes notes on what not to do!
 
A number two has nothing to say with a manager like LVG. It's very harsh to blame Giggs for what is happening now.
I can see him having some influence on young players, but that is about it.
 
beachryan said:
Totally disagree. Giggs is, in theory, 2nd in command of footballing matters at Manchester United. He may not set the agendas, but he runs the meetings.

Players look demotivated and unhappy. Surely club legend Ryan Giggs could help with that? No one on our left can seemingly cross a ball, surely legendary left winger Ryan Giggs could come up with a couple drills in training? We utterly fail in so many areas, but Giggs - again 2nd in command here - can't do anything?

If the assistant manager can't help the team in anyway, then what is he even there?

Surely Giggsy is in charge of SOMETHING, and given everyhting ha gone wrong, that means he's failing too. :(
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You seem to forget it is LVG managing United here. If he was the ballboy he'd still interfere in managerial decisions.
 
Am trying to have some perspective now that it seems clear we're stuck with LVG til the summer (sob).

This is our injury list: De Gea, Shaw, Darmian, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, Rooney, Fellaini, Schweinsteiger, Janujaz, Young, Lingard and now Keane too. I'm probably missing some.

I'd forgotten some of them existed. We've been woeful at RB - oh yeah, it's because Valencia, Jones and Young have basically been injured all season. LB has been a problem and we have an 18 year old who wasn't very good in the reserves playing week in week out, oh yeah it's cause Shaw and Rojo have been out all season.

Given how every week people talk about how 'modern full backs' are the most important position on the pitch, having about 5 injuries at FB for the last 6 months probably hasn't helped.

It's amazing to then see other teams in both England and the continent playing essentially first choice teams at this stage of the season. Notable exception being City this year, welcome to Manchester?

In all seriousness, we've 'won' the injury league 3 out of the last 4 seasons, and that was after shipping out Hargreaves. What are we doing in training that other teams aren't? Where are the well paid fitness gurus?

Will Keane came on for 3 minutes, took his first shot and pulled his groin. That's scandalous in modern sports. Our physios/coaches HAVE to have him stretching properly.
 
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beachryan said:
Am trying to have some perspective now that it seems clear we're stuck with LVG til the summer (sob).

This is our injury list: De Gea, Shaw, Darmian, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, Rooney, Fellaini, Schweinsteiger, Janujaz, Young, Lingard and now Keane too. I'm probably missing some.

I'd forgotten some of them existed. We've been woeful at RB - oh yeah, it's because Valencia, Jones and Young have basically been injured all season. LB has been a problem and we have an 18 year old who wasn't very good in the reserves playing week in week out, oh yeah it's cause Shaw and Rojo have been out all season.

Given how every week people talk about how 'modern full backs' are the most important position on the pitch, having about 5 injuries at FB for the last 6 months probably hasn't helped.

It's amazing to then see other teams in both England and the continent playing essentially first choice teams at this stage of the season. Notable exception being City this year, welcome to Manchester?

In all seriousness, we've 'won' the injury league 3 out of the last 4 seasons, and that was after shipping out Hargreaves. What are we doing in training that other teams aren't? Where are the well paid fitness gurus?

Will Keane came on for 3 minutes, took his first shot and pulled his groin. That's scandalous in modern sports. Our physios/coaches HAVE to have him stretching properly.
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Maybe something wrong with our training then?
 
And Smalling and Martial are now injured too.

Meaning our U18 - not even RESERVE - striker Marcus Rashford makes his senior debut, in perhaps our most important match of the season.

From our senior squad, we have 1 fit CB (Blind, a MF)
0 fit FB
3 fit CMs
2 fit wide forwards
0 fit forwards

Amazing.

17 first team injuries. I've never seen anything like it, even at the worst of our past few seasons. We could now field a full XI with a full subs bench of injured first teamers.

No team can deal with that.
 
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And we concede with their first attack, after actually playing really well too. Carrick defending poorly, and Romero not doing well either.

We have so little chance. We can get into crossing positions, but Rashford is literally a kid, he has no business being thrown in like this, was in the academy last year.

Love, McNair, Varela, Rashford, Riley - Jesse Lingard is one of the most senior players out there. It's painful.
 
To be fair, with the resources available to them, I don't see how Utd can hope to compete. Maybe if they'd been able to build out their squad with some decent spend...

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Godotelli said:
To be fair, with the resources available to them, I don't see how Utd can hope to compete. Maybe if they'd been able to build out their squad with some decent spend...

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Difference being City CHOSE to skip playing on the weekend, and were able to fill an entire first XI of international players 3 days later.

We have no players left fit. Arsene must be thinking it's time to avenge the 8-2 this weekend.
 
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