Manchester United Thread

@ Gerd - I agree, that's kind of my worry. I don't think you can win the league with true youth development. This is an odd year for the league, but generally, long term speaking.

It's the only option for mid-table clubs though. And that's awesome.

I just htink it's interesting tis all.

Basically to win the league you can no longer afford to bed in youth players anymore. Because the quality has risen so much. United won the league with some genuinely average players just 10 years ago, don't think you can do that anymore.
 
Well, Pep confirmed to City. So next year, if Ed presumably has his way, our main competitors will be managed by Pep, Klopp and Wenger, while we'll have Giggs making his debut.

But hey, I bet Giggs costs like a third as much, so that's something.

It's interesting watching a club fall apart in today's age.
 
Can't help but feel disappointed we didn't get him. But I guess if I were him, I too wouldn't have chosen the mess that is United as a football club...
 
I'd be more worried if i was Barça or Bayern for instance and what this might do for as far as attracting big names to City. We're a mess at the moment but honestly... Folks are quick to overlook Pool and Arsenal for instance when it comes to comparing successes. Hell, look at Chelski this season. Call me the forever optimist but we'll sort our shit out. Even without Pep. Look on he plus side :we probably won't be linked with players like whiny Neymar again.
 
spektarm said:
Can't help but feel disappointed we didn't get him. But I guess if I were him, I too wouldn't have chosen the mess that is United as a football club...
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I don't agree.
He always goes for the easy option...winning the Bundesliga with Bayern...where is the challenge?

United would have been a challenge, City is the obvious choice.

I have more respect for Klopp who goes for Liverpool....
 
Don't knock Pep so quickly gerd , he needs to be brilliant to perform w/ so many egos. Its just not players but the hierarchy at the helm. He shines where Mourinho lacks. You can't find a single person who dislikes him.
 
It's easy to say he has taken the easy option with City (tho that ignores the fact we're getting to the point of needing a semi rebuild) but it's also the stable option.
Utd and Chelsea are a bit of a mess under their current regimes, more synonymous with kneejerk panic buys and appointments than longterm planning, which is what this City regime has got spot on.
I never thought I'd see the day when City are a better run club than Utd but it's true these days and I'm sure most Utd fans would agree.
 
Definitely. I remain convinced it's the hardest club to run - we need better youth setup - here's more money; we need better matchday facilities - here's more money; we need a some new attacking options - here's KDB and Sterling and so forth, but hard to argue with results.

City could still have fecked up all that spending, or lunged from regime to regime anytime there was a hint of failure. They've not done that, and will reap the rewards.

The real worry for the rest of the premier league is what happens when the richest club with the best squad and best facilities manage to buy the best manager. Especially at a time when Abramovich has stopped throwing cash at Chelsea, United are a shambles and Arsenal will need to replace Wenger.
 
I wouldn't go that far buddy :LOL: Mutd still light years away from MCity! I give you this MCity looks very promising from bottom to top.
 
Imo City did fuck up that money.
They have only one half decent cb, not a single dmf who is good enough for the CL and no alternative for Aguero.
If you know that both Kompany and Aguero are both injury prone, then you go for decent backups. They never did.
 
Godotelli said:
It's easy to say he has taken the easy option with City (tho that ignores the fact we're getting to the point of needing a semi rebuild) but it's also the stable option.
Utd and Chelsea are a bit of a mess under their current regimes, more synonymous with kneejerk panic buys and appointments than longterm planning, which is what this City regime has got spot on.
I never thought I'd see the day when City are a better run club than Utd but it's true these days and I'm sure most Utd fans would agree.
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I agree with this post. That's why I said I would have done the same.

United in particular isn't gonna be just a challenge, soon it's gonna be a total mess because of the people who run the club off the pitch... which in turn means that it makes no difference who the manager is, and thus not a single one of the best managers would want to work at the club.
 
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gerd said:
Imo City did fuck up that money.
They have only one half decent cb, not a single dmf who is good enough for the CL and no alternative for Aguero.
If you know that both Kompany and Aguero are both injury prone, then you go for decent backups. They never did.
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money is no issue there.
 
I'm with gerd.

I have more Respect for Ranieri and Hughes this season than any other manager.

If LVG leaves at the end of this season, I have a feeling we're getting either Mourinho or Hughes (as the next last minute option if he continues his record this season).
 
Ha the big ego argument is there again ( a bit of a Loch Ness monster, this one).

Big ego's in Manchester City's squad?

And there aren't none at Liverpool, United, Chelsea or any other EPL club?

I agree that not every manager is good enough to work for those mega clubs. But people are implying that Pep (and i admire his football) is the best manager around...there are more sensible arguments to say that Pep Guardiola is the best trainer of the wordl than the majority of all the others...but are they conclusive? How do you measure that?

It's all very subjective (and of course also everything i write in this post), but i have more respect for managers who build something up from the base.

What Pocchetino did with Spurs, is IMO a bigger achievement than what Pep did with Bayern.

At City Pep finds a club with the financial backing to win the EPL and the CL time after time.

I have absolutely nothing against City, they have two of my favourite players, they play beautifull football at times, but they are a danger for the EPL.

The EPL don't need to become like Ligue 1 were PSG has a gap of more than 20 points with the second club in the ranking. In France stadiums are more filled for cup matches than for the Ligue 1 matches.

This current EPL season is great because Leicester and Spurs seems genuine title contenders. Every neutral should support Leicester (what a pity that i'm a Spurs fan), but even if Arsenal or City win the league, it will be after a thrilling season.

One season of unbeatables is an achievement. 5 consecutive is the death of football...
 
Hard to make evaluations of this season.

For example Spurs are no better off points wise this year than they have been in the last few but their makeup has changed. They used to win a few more games but this year they're harder to beat.

Are they 4th because other top teams are worse with Spurs remaining as they were or is the fact that Spurs have the same points an improvement based on mid table teams (and lower) being better?

One thing I think is easy to see is that Pochettino is a good manager
 
My point is that if City don't underachieve, they should win the league each year....there should be an abyss between them and the rest.
 
We should win it most years but not every year. The PL is too competitive for that and Arsenal and Chelsea both have excellent players more than capable of winning the title.
If we don't win it this year it will be a massive failure tho
 
LVG's brilliance:

Dec 26th vs Stoke: Plays midfield of Carrick and Fellaini, team gets totally overrun, possibly worst performance of a terrible season, we lose 2-0.

Feb 2nd vs Stoke: Chooses to revisit midfield of Carrick and Fellaini for first time after being undefeated having changed them after Dec 26th.

LVG be trolling.
 
beachryan said:
LVG's brilliance:

Dec 26th vs Stoke: Plays midfield of Carrick and Fellaini, team gets totally overrun, possibly worst performance of a terrible season, we lose 2-0.

Feb 2nd vs Stoke: Chooses to revisit midfield of Carrick and Fellaini for first time after being undefeated having changed them after Dec 26th.

LVG be trolling.
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You got to love the media, they sway every way possible depending on the result of the previous match. Man Utd win, LVG is the hero and its all peach and roses at Carrington. Man Utd lose, LVG has asked to resign, players don't trust him and a formidable source has said that Giggs is secretly asking SAF to be his Assistant as he does a mutiny to get LVG fired...

haha, its nice when the team you support can always sell papers, won't lack any entertainment and headaches if you believe what they say (which sometimes, I'm gullible enough to fall for)
 
Didn't see that coming. Stoke were awful though, not sure how much we can read into that single match.

The Martial goal was probably our best of the season. Mata and Rooney's combination on the right was superb, followed by a great ball and an even better finish.

Martial is far from the finished article, but in the last 2/3 matches he's getting to be genuinely threatening from the left. Basically, teams have to double team him, he can toast a single full back. That does remind me of a certain stringy-haired teenager we got at a similar age. Does he have the drive to push on? I'm not sure.
 
I'm absolutely convinced Man Utd will end in thetop 4.

Manchester City will stay in the top 4.

Who do you guys think will fall out of it: Leicester, Spurs or Arsenal?
 
I hope you're right Younggun, but spurs still have to play United (home), Chelsea (away), City (away), Arsenal (home), West Ham (away) and Stoke (away). That is very tough...
 
With 14 games to go, if LVG and United finally find the best balance and chemistry then I can see us creeping up the ladder. 42 points on the table, anything can happen, especially this season.
 
I think Europa has to be on everyone`s mind. They win it and get 4th! Im not sure the mentally of playing Thursday night and Sunday ,but the EPL boys should get further up then those in CL.
 
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