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yeah, not sure Baines is worth that kind of money for us at the moment. We probably need a more long-term replacement for that position. Though in his position it's possible he has at least another 4 or 5 great years in him. I don't believe that we had a bid rejected, seems like pretty good money for a 29 year old. The tabloid press seems to come up with new rumors on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure that if Moyes and United are set on getting him ..that we will.
 
Yup, all it would take is for Baines to get unhappy that he isn't aloud to move clubs and hand in a transfer request. I think he'd be a decent signing. Evra was a bit better last season, Buttner isnt ready yet (should be loaned out) and Fabio basically wasted a season, better RB in my opinion anyway.

Hopefully more news on Thiago joining will happen soon
 
Metallica said:
Evra was a bit better last season,
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Ashley Cole is by far the best LB in the EPL since year now (and to be honest, i really don't like him, what a c*nt !!!). Last year i had my doubts for the first time. Last season Baines was outstanding, IMO Baines was by far superior to Evra...but this is all very subjective...although i have the impression that quite a few people here thought Baines was outstanding last season...
 
gerd said:
Ashley Cole is by far the best LB in the EPL since year now (and to be honest, i really don't like him, what a c*nt !!!). Last year i had my doubts for the first time. Last season Baines was outstanding, IMO Baines was by far superior to Evra...but this is all very subjective...although i have the impression that quite a few people here thought Baines was outstanding last season...
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The standard of left backs in the premier league mean it seems to go:

1. Cole
2. Baines
3. Every other left back in the league

And even then imo the gap between Cole and Baines is huge in terms of actual ability, it just seems in recent years Baines has cared more about his football in comparison to Cole.
 
What is the opinion here about Moyes completely desmanteling Ferguson's backroom ?. I guess you can understand that a manager would want coaches of his trust, but firing René Meulensteen who is one of the most respected coaches worlwide to replace him with Phil Neville or firing the goalkeeper coach that made a lot of improvement on De Gea, is ridiculous.
 
gerd said:
Ashley Cole is by far the best LB in the EPL since year now (and to be honest, i really don't like him, what a c*nt !!!). Last year i had my doubts for the first time. Last season Baines was outstanding, IMO Baines was by far superior to Evra...but this is all very subjective...although i have the impression that quite a few people here thought Baines was outstanding last season...
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He hasn't been the best LB in the Premier League for a good few seasons, IMO.

The overrating of Cole is bizarre, he's been consistently targetted by Man Utd as a weak point over the past few seasons and consistently exposed by Antonio Valencia, who is hardly a world beater.

It seems that because he's usually always one of England's better players people seem to think he's some sort of world beater.
 
Liverbird said:
What is the opinion here about Moyes completely desmanteling Ferguson's backroom ?. I guess you can understand that a manager would want coaches of his trust, but firing René Meulensteen who is one of the most respected coaches worlwide to replace him with Phil Neville or firing the goalkeeper coach that made a lot of improvement on De Gea, is ridiculous.
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It makes sense to take out some of the old and bring the new in with him, because its an attempt to stamp his own image on the squad and its play style which means he needs coaches who know what he wants.

However coaches like Rene and Eric who have been held in high regard almost as much as Fergie and constantly manage to get the best out of players even when they're getting older deserve to have been kept in place just for the consistency of transition.

On their own merit alone the pair have been spoken about by players in the current squad as having had a tremendous impact on improving their play in some way, Eric Steele is said to be pivotal in getting De Gea playing welland it is upsetting for the player who is young to have a coach who helped him booted out. saying that Chris Woods, who is tipped to follow Moyes to United, helped get the best out of a United reject in Tim Howard, however he isn't as highly regarded as Steele so this may be a step down for the keepers at the club. Meulensteen was spoken about by RvP as being a big reason behind his goals last season and also more of the players say he is a big reason for them playing into older ages. I can't see whoever Moyes brings with him being held in the same regard and so this one I can't agree with at all, it is also sad to see he will have no part in the club from this season, if he had agreed to take up a role with the youth club his continued involvement would have been great for the club.

Overall, the changes seem necessary in part as its a transition of styles, however changes like Steele and Meulensteen are strange because they're genuinely at the top level in their job roles and finding quality replacements will be difficult.
 
Well abou, imo Cole is the best English football player of the last decade.
He is the only one who is been for a long time (not anymore) the best player of the world in his position.
Can you name another for the last 7 or 8 years ? I can't. Rooney comes close, but due to his versatility most people would always pick other players in a besteleven of the world.

All other English players never had the slightest chance to be in the best eleven of the world during that same spell.

Liverpool fans might argue about Gerrard, but i don't agree.
One might also argue about Lampard and although i'm a big fan of Lampard (much more than of Cole), i don't think he was ever in best eleven.
 
Ferdinand has been better than Cole in the past 7 years, and won more.

Not sure why people underrate him so much. He wasn't great the season before last, but that was largely due to injury.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
He hasn't been the best LB in the Premier League for a good few seasons, IMO.

The overrating of Cole is bizarre, he's been consistently targetted by Man Utd as a weak point over the past few seasons and consistently exposed by Antonio Valencia, who is hardly a world beater.

It seems that because he's usually always one of England's better players people seem to think he's some sort of world beater.
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Aye, that exactly probably underlines the concerns w the English national team. Cole has been anything but great lately, yet for lack of better ideas or options folks seem to cling to what is perceived to be the status quo.
 
This is not about winning things...Ferdinand would never be in the best eleven of the world...never....Cole has been the most consistent LB of the world for the last decade...

There were lots of better CB's than Ferdinand (Vidic for example, but also Puyol, Nesta, Cannavaro and lots of others...).
 
That probably says more about the relatively poor quality of left-backs over the past decade than Cole's quality.

Rio's peak (2006-08) is second only to Nesta earlier in the decade, IMO.
 
As of 29th June 2013... Thiago to Manchester United:

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Modric's kid with a United ball in case we needed more crazy rumors:

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Aboutreika18 said:
That probably says more about the relatively poor quality of left-backs over the past decade than Cole's quality.

Rio's peak (2006-08) is second only to Nesta earlier in the decade, IMO.
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Best left backs in the world today imo are Marcelo, Alba and Cole. I wouldn't call them poor quality any time soon.

Rio at his peak was formidable however I would say:

Nesta: 2003-2008
Maldini: ? - 2005
Cannavaro: 2003-2007
Vidic: 2008-2011
Puyol: 2004-2008

All trump Ferdinand, of course its a matter of opinion, but growing up and playing I was a centre back and I used to YouTube Nesta, Maldini and Cannavaro more than I ever would Ferdinand :P
 
I agree with Abou on this, I think in 07/08 he was the best defender in the world and the season prior too he was brilliant too.

Vidic was the better defender for one season and that was the year after.
 
3 CL finals in 4 seasons, 5 out of the last 6 domestic leagues generally plyaing in a team without a defensive presence in midfield.

There also wasn't a better defensive partnership in world football than Rio/Vidic at the time - but for some reason Vida got all the credit. Ferdinand is the organiser, the defensive captain. He's the communicator.

But I'm a bit of a Ferdinand fan, so probably biased. I also think Cole is one of the best LBs in the world, no argument there. But I certainly wouldn't put Puyol at his best above Ferdinand at his best. Rio is a better pure defender. It's like saying Valdes is the best keeper in the world because Barca win a lot.
 
Unrelated to that, all the press are saying Rooney is going to say he wants to leave United, and that London looks the most logical stop. Ignoring the fact that almost all of said press are based in London, I cannot fathom why United would consider selling to a domestic rival, especially with prices being mentioned in the £25m mark. That would be terrible, terrible business.

Nice to read quotes from Rooney's own book from just a season and a half ago, when he says he'll never make the mistake of wanting to leave United again. Oh well.

Why is it everytime we have a successful season, the off season seems to be awful? It's like when we won the CL and the whole thing was then about Ronnie leaving. Fergie, Steele, Rene all out. Looks like Rooney out. Glorious.
 
Are you really that bothered with selling Wayne? Im not.

I'd prefer him to stay but again, if we get the right players in (like Thiago who needs to hurry the fuck up!) and a winger I really wouldn't care but thank him for his services and move on.
 
Wow, Scott over at ROM just listed Anderson's record for United.

He's been here 6 seasons (!!!) and completed 90 minutes...wait for it...

19 times. Just over 3 times per season. Incredible.
 
Now that's just silly.

Messi:
233 goals in 218 games + a much better assist record + doesn't selfishly shoot all the time like CR.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that a Ronaldo deal at such a high price would be a bad business move for us (looking at the bigger picture of course)? :COAT:
 
Godotelli said:
Now that's just silly.

Messi:
233 goals in 218 games + a much better assist record + doesn't selfishly shoot all the time like CR.
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Agreed, Ronaldo is a freak but Messi is the best ever.

Although, the other way of looking at is:

Did Ronaldo really improve that much when he left United? Or could it be that La Liga is reasonably easy when you play for Real/Barca?

Anyway, no debate, Messi > Ronaldo.

I agree on the buying of him - especially at a huge fee and wages. Not worth it.

I've heard murmurings that Moyes is only going to be given the 20m that our Investor Relations guy said the club would get each season, and that anything other signings outside of Thiago will therefore require selling.

Ridiculous if we're trying to compete with teams like City/Chelsea and our owners will only put up 1/3rd of the cash. Oh wait, that's cause we have to operate in reality, rather than sugar-daddy land ;)
 
Godotelli said:
Now that's just silly.

Messi:
233 goals in 218 games + a much better assist record + doesn't selfishly shoot all the time like CR.
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The bias is strong in my posts ;) ofc, they're basically equals.. one will better the other at times but as players they're essentially the other world, beyond comparison with each other and anyone else.

spektarm said:
Am I the only one who thinks that a Ronaldo deal at such a high price would be a bad business move for us (looking at the bigger picture of course)? :COAT:
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Absolutely, but its our Cristiano.. your argument is invalid ;)
 
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