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Liverbird said:
Those 5 minutes seemed enough for you to judge the likes of Flannagan or Spearing.
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Spearing has played a bit more than 5 mins before any judgement was played, and Flanagan slotted straight in and didn't look out of place at all.

I can't see why Pipa is taking so much flak here, it's a bit silly to keep repeating the same things when he's already gave his reasons.

At the end of the day, all that Pipa has said is that Spearing and Flanagan are in great FORM. Not that they're world class players but that their FORM is great. Is that wrong? Can a player not go through world class form if he's not a world class player?

It's all too easy to criticise a player for playing poorly but then when someone wants to praise a player (or team, or manager) then people start complaining about them being pleased. If Carroll had started like Suarez (were we all wrong for saying he looked world class after 5 mins?) then people on here would be moaning saying that he's just going through a good spell and to calm down.

Some of you need to have a look at yourselves and realise that you're just a massive contradiction.

I seriously can't believe people are slagging off Carroll despite him hardly playing and coming back from a serious injury. Like all players should come back and fit straight in with the team and be at full fitness immediately.
 
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Flanagan and Spearing are not strikers + they are at the club for years..

name the 10 better strikers that were avileable when we bought Carroll.

EDIT: Carroll has not been fully fit since we bought him, maybe he should not play, but the game against City when he scored, he was great... and i think the game yesterday was not lost becouse of Carroll playing...

anyway.. how do you know the 10 strikers you would pick over Carroll would fit in the team and score lot´s of goals immediately?
 
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In Belgium alone we have 10 better strikers than Caroll (well that's a litle bit exagerated).
And now seriously in the Premier League alone there are 10 better forwards.
Let alone in the rest of the world.
 
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gerd said:
In Belgium alone we have 10 better strikers than Caroll (well that's a litle bit exagerated).
And now seriously in the Premier League alone there are 10 better forwards.
Let alone in the rest of the world.
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Really? 10?

I like Caroll, think he's gonna be the dogs bollox, especially when he gets a full pre-season training at that level.

he already looks a better player than he was at newcastle (altho lfc supportes would have to qualify that, after seeing more of him than me)
 
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I think Pipa's getting a bit desperate at the end their? Only Bent?! What universe is that in.

Bent, Berbatov, Rooney, Drogba, Torres, Van Persie, Tevez, IMO are all a cut above. you could name another 4-5 but they haven't proven it over time yet like Balotelli, Dzeko and Hernandez.
 
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Hernandez is clearly above Caroll.
What about Davies and Sturridge? Are you sure that Caroll is better than those two? I am not.

I will not say that he cannot become a great striker, but he still has to prove a lot.
 
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PIPA23 said:
name the 10 better strikers that were avileable when we bought Carroll.
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I'm pretty sure most of these players suggested weren't available. And some are very debatable, Berbatov certainly isn't better than Carroll in my opinion.

Hernandez is definitely a better striker in a way but they're different players who bring different styles to their team. Hernandez is more like Suarez really. And besides, I doubt Hernandez was available ...
 
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DagsJT said:
I'm pretty sure most of these players suggested weren't available. And some are very debatable, Berbatov certainly isn't better than Carroll in my opinion.

Hernandez is definitely a better striker in a way but they're different players who bring different styles to their team. Hernandez is more like Suarez really. And besides, I doubt Hernandez was available ...
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Well, Pipa didnt say that key word in his firs post, that is why I said that in the PL there are at least 10 strikes better than him (and a few of them would get transfered for 40M or more).
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
I think Pipa's getting a bit desperate at the end their? Only Bent?! What universe is that in.

Bent, Berbatov, Rooney, Drogba, Torres, Van Persie, Tevez, IMO are all a cut above. you could name another 4-5 but they haven't proven it over time yet like Balotelli, Dzeko and Hernandez.
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Oh common, i was talking about REALISTIC targets..players for who would be transfer to LFC step up, not down as harsh as it sounds..but all the players you mentioned play CL football right now with their teams.. + are unrealistic targets...

what´s wrong with Bent on the other side? ask Villa fans what they think of him..

EDIT: Yeah i forgot to mention, i wanted us to try to add Sturridge in to the deal with Torres.. i saw him play in CL against Zilina and he was best on field imo.. great player that we could have in our squad now.. but that´s not relevant now.
 
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Gerd, I see you constantly under-rating Andy Carroll and this is a man, you yourself have admitted many times you've barely watched. You've seen him in a total of 2-3 games it seems and they just happened to be the ones that he wasn't all that good in. You're jumping into conclusions about his ability and potential, way too early my friend. Let me tell you that.

I, too, don't think Carroll is worth as much as they paid but everybody including Liverpool and their fans and owners know that anyway. They're not disputing that.

As far as ability goes though, this guy is impressive! Seems to be that the people badmouthing him are just guys who see his inflated price tag (and yes it is inflated and had to be given the circumstances and Newcastle not wanting to part with him, so they massively overpaid for a still fairly unproven player) and those who've barely seen him play anyway.... just a few games here.. some of which were after a bad injury where player is still rusty...

Andy Carroll was truly impressive in the first half of the season. Makes me wonder how many Newcastle games some of you guys watched. He's not just a big target man like some like to say either, he's good with ball at his feet as he's fairly skillful for a big man and has got a lethal shot in that left-foot! Holds up the ball well... has his head up and so looks for team-mates/good passes... and of course he IS a a great target man! How many effective target men are out there these days anyway? Not that many... Andy Carroll does what Kevin Davies does but he's much faster, younger and more skillful.

For me, he still has a LOT to prove and of course Liverpool overpaid for him. But that's a separate topic and doesn't mean he's not a very good player and the fact that Belgium has even 3 forwards better than him is BS let alone 10! He's gonna be England's striker and for good reason.

He's already very good as he showed earlier this season and he's still very young!

And I'm all for having him and Luis Suarez who can each bring very different things to the table and during different tactical setups which will inevitably be needed during a long hard season against different oppositions.

I can't believe the guy's taking so much unfair criticism by 1) people who've barely seen enough of him... and 2) because of something that was out of his control! It's not his fault, Liverpool made him highest English transfer ever! People seem to forget that.

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The thing is the constant use of "we HAD to replace Torres instantly"

Why? He's a great player but at the time and just like now, he wasn't really firing on all cylinders or anything and Suarez was coming in so 1 in and 1 out. what was the rush of WE NEED SOMEONE NOW?! couldn't you have waited till the Summer, realistically you weren't going down and you weren't getting into the top 4 so why not see how Suarez and the team performs for the rest of the season (pretty good it turns out) and then spend that 35M in the Summer.
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Don't agree for some of the reasons mentioned above and the thing you miss out and it looks like everyone else here has too unless I missed it in posts above is RYAN BABEL left too. Okay so yeah it's not like he was playing that much or having big impact but people forget, it's not just one forward that left in Torres but two even if Babel's more like a WF. So you can't just sell two and bring one guy who may adapt immediately as luckily Luis did or not...
 
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PLF, i've seen Caroll quite regularly with Newcastle and i have to admit that he was quite good.

Like you said in your post: it's just that the prize Liverpool payed for him is ridiculously high. I know that this is not his fault.

Furthermore i think he has the same effect on Liverpool, Crouch has on Spurs: these teams become one-dimensional. I've never said they are bad players, but Liverpool plays better football without Caroll (just like Spurs play better football without Crouch, if Redknapp would have played Defoe and/or Pavlyuchenko more, i'm pretty sure they would have won more matches...).

Conclusion: i'm very subjective, i'm well aware of that.
Caroll (and Crouch) are very good players, but when they are on the pitch their teams should play a more varied kind of football. In Spurs case, the manager is to be blamed about that. Concerning Liverpool: i don't know.
 
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Reports that Aguero has asked Atletico Madrid to listen to offers. And now Ballague has said:

GuillemBalague Guillem Balague
Regarding Kun Aguero: he would cost 45m euros (plus taxes if At M refuses to sell). Interest from Man City, Real Madrid and Liverpool.
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there has been strong rumours doin the rounds that we have a very good chance of baggin him weeks ago.rumour was shot down and now this bit of news?me thinks theres something to this.hopefully....

suarez carrol/kuyt aguero

we gonna piss the league.hopefully....
 
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Another point is that Aguero is still young enough that we can get him and possibly sell for more at a later date. Fits into FSG's plan very well.
 
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Erm, as far as I can tell that would necessitate not playing one of your c. £30m strikers every match.

That's Man City type luxury, imo, and not something Liverpool can quite afford.

He's very similar to Suarez anyway, can't see why you'd want him.
 
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I imagine Aguero would replace Kuyt on the right side of a three-pronged attack. I can certainly see why we'd want him.
 
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Caroll wouldn't thrive in that kind of setup imo. You'd seriously lack width too, which is a problem today.

I mean, he's a great player, truly world class talent, but still. If I were pool I'd be going after a couple wingers and some defensive backup.
 
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Nothing to say we wont go after those as well, to be fair. We've got money to spend but it's all guesswork how much, and its guaranteed that players will also be sold/released and that'll bring money in as well as free up wages.

Also the deal with Standard Chartered gives us a big chunk of money.
 
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Amazing player but I dont think we need him now. Would have been an interesting buy en January instead of buying Carroll, but now we need a winger, not a luxury striker.
 
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TikTikTikTikTik said:
No.Chance.
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why not, i think we have more chance on him than any top class forward in his range..

i read somewhere he was Liverpool supporter back in Independiente, becouse of the red colors of their and our shirts..just long time ago..

+ this Christmas he and his whole family were spending gues where? In Liverpool with Maxi Rodriguez family..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pool-just-a-christmas-visit-or-something-else


DagsJT said:
I imagine Aguero would replace Kuyt on the right side of a three-pronged attack. I can certainly see why we'd want him.
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this.
 
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i would rather see kuyt spearheading our front line with suarez on the left and aguero on the right instead of Caroll upfront. i think the movement and work rate would be pretty good for the 3.
 
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LB
CB
CM
RW
LW
AM
ST

are the areas LFC are looking for players.

And to make you feel great before you eat your tea. LFC had contacted West Ham in Feb to check out the availability for Robert Green. This was before Pepe commited to the club. Might still make a move for him as a number 2. LFC want a strong back up keeper.

Give me Gomez anyday.
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said a guy who works most probably inside the club..
 
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that Gomez sentence was a reaction to some other thing i guess..
 
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we deffo need a decent backup keeper. dread to think what would happen if Pepe left or got injured

just look at what happens to utd without VDS in goal, even kuszek is a good backup keeper (i would of thought)
 
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Heard a LOT about us approaching Friedal as backup to Reina.
 
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Liverpool loanee Mavinga tonight can become Belgian Champion with Racing Genk.
I saw him 3 times live (not on television, but in the stadium). He's quite good defensive and attacking. It took him a while before he played, but now he plays every match.
 
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Do you think he's good enough to come back and do a job for Liverpool?
 
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