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jonneymendoza said:
How was that a team order? Mclaren told BOTH drivers to slow down and save their fuel. o and when hamilton overtook the safety car he got punished fair and square so whats the problem?Hamilton has gotten punished for that SC incident. how can you not see that. are you asking for more punishment? what would be justified? kicking him out of f1 will justifiy hesitating in overtaking the SC car yea?
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You're seriously so biased it makes me wonder why.

So, Hamilton advances the SC and instantly wins 50 seconds to Alonso who was just behind him and YES, he respected the SC. Oh, and it lets Hamilton mantain his 2nd position after pit stop.

Not only that, but Alonso and Massa, who were 3rd and 4th, are forced to change tyres due to SC strategies and reappear in the 8th and 9th position.

Don't forget Hamilton had a broken part in the rear, so if he had stayed AS HE SHOULD behind the SC he would have had a LONGER pit stop than Alonso for sure. So, at best, by RESPECTING the rules, Hamilton would have been 9th after pit stop, right AFTER ALonso.

But what happens? The pathetic comissioners of the race DON'T say anything about it until 20 LAPS later! By that time, Hamilton has already a margin of almost 30 secs with the 3rd. So, the commisioners, it what constitutes a very dangerous show of biasing, apply a "penalty" of 25 secs (a drive through).

So, 20 laps later, he has a penalty that actually makes no effect at all, as he comes back to the race in the same 2nd position.

Great, great. If he had the 25 seconds penalising just the lap AFTER doing the ilegal action, he would have been 15th or 16th in the race because of the SC. But no, they decided to wait and penalize him when it would not make any effect.

It was a pathetic and biased decision. I dare you won't find any "strange" decision like this one by the commissioners towards any other driver.

Yeah, great, that's justice. Come on dude, if you find this decent then you're a cunt as well as Alonso and Hamilton.

I already said I hate Alonso, and I hate Hamilton because he's like a spoilt kid that is allowed to do things no one else is allowed. You, obviously, can't remember how he cut through a chicane to gain positions and went unpenaliszed as well.

Be a little more "objective" with things. We can discuss about Vettel and you may be right in certain comments, but trying to defend Hamilton's behaviour in Valencia is NOT an option.
 
Wilkmyster said:
It's just part of racing, squeezing a driver out so they have a choice whether to back off a lose a place/not gain one or crash. (They showed Senna doing far worse in the Top Gear documentary even).

The difference with Vettel when he crashed into Webber was 1. It was his team mate. 2. He moved across Webber as they were side by side and Webber had no way to react.

YouTube - Sebastian Vettel vs Mark Webber Crash Grand Prix Turcji Turkisch Turkey 30.05.2010

I actually think Vettel is a nice guy, he's just been put into a position by Red Bull where he's been the team favourite, and inevitably the fans will back the underdog in the team i.e. Webber.
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Exactlt. It's been part of GP racing since the sixties and the ethos of the gentleman driver diminished.

Was a great tribute to Ayrton pity that Ratzenberger seems to be forgotten.

Button and Hamilton...... they should race for the Principality of Monaco and Switzerland seeing as they cannot be bothered paying their taxes here.

Hopefully teams like Mercedes, Williams, Renault can close the performance gap as it does seem rather processional again this season.

Speaking of which is anyone looking forward to the new Codemasters F1 2010 offering ?

YouTube - F1 2010 Codemasters E3 Preview

Looks magnificent and you can race in 100% simulation mode. It's been too long since the days of GP4 with no PC F1 game.
 
so how is it hamiltons fault for obeying and doing a forced pit stop? he broke the rules like any driver does and got penalized. what the fuck more do you want? He fucking hesitated in overtaking the SC before the white line.

I aint biased. Your the one showing soo much hatred towards hamilton for no apparent reason yet if it was any other driver bar ham and alonso, you would say shit.

You just pointed out how much u fucking hate Hamilton for what? because he overtook a safety car and took the punishment on the chin? O and whos fault was it that he had a broken part on his rear. O yea it was your best mate vettel trying to push another driver into hamilton.

Great stuff indeed. what a nice lad vettel is. O and the reason why it took them 15mins to make a decision is because it wasnt as clear cut as you freaking think.

They had to look at the replay carefuly and dig out the rule book to see what the ruling is for it. Hamilton would have been fine if he had overtaken the SC before the white line but he overtaken the SC card JUST and i mean JUST after the white line so Ham was indeed wrong. had he not hesitated he would have beaten the SC to the white line and all would be fine.

You had to rewmind the replay, slow it down a heck of a lot and then look at the rule book to see if his breaking any rules. All cant be done in the space of 1 lap time. O and wasnt it alonso who was baiting the stewards to check hamiltons incident anyway resulting it the stewards looking at the incident and making a decison.

i believe thats why it took them long. at first they diddnt know hamilton potentialy did a bad thing. Even so, HOW THE FUCK IS IT HAMILTONS FAULT FOR THE STEWARDS TAKING 15-20+MINS TO MAKE A DECISION? i mean how? come on. Tell me.
 
Absolutely, F1 2010 ;)

About the Ferrari incident, I just remembered when watching the F1 forum, they had the cameras out at the back of the paddocks, and Alonso was walking down it with a huge crowd of people trying to get his attention. Further down behind Alonso was Massa, walking alone... ouch.
 
ALBICELESTE2010 said:
Exactlt. It's been part of GP racing since the sixties and the ethos of the gentleman driver diminished.

Was a great tribute to Ayrton pity that Ratzenberger seems to be forgotten.

Button and Hamilton...... they should race for the Principality of Monaco and Switzerland seeing as they cannot be bothered paying their taxes here.

Hopefully teams like Mercedes, Williams, Renault can close the performance gap as it does seem rather processional again this season.

Speaking of which is anyone looking forward to the new Codemasters F1 2010 offering ?

YouTube - F1 2010 Codemasters E3 Preview

Looks magnificent and you can race in 100% simulation mode. It's been too long since the days of GP4 with no PC F1 game.
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mate where have you been hiding since 2006?

YouTube - rFactor Formula 1 - front crash

Rfactor 1 had loads of high quality f1 mods mate
 
jonneymendoza said:
mate where have you been hiding since 2006?

YouTube - rFactor Formula 1 - front crash

Rfactor 1 had loads of high quality f1 mods mate
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I know of rFactor but never played it. I'm just glad to have a PC-DVD pop in and play F1 game again which looks and plays superbly.

I shall look forward to taking the Lotus T127 around and seeing if I can get past the first round of qualifying and beyond 16th. ;)
 
I don't understand the Hamilton hating bandwagon personally... He's a competitive, talented driver and it isn't up to him to enforce the rules.
ALBICELESTE2010 said:
Button and Hamilton...... they should race for the Principality of Monaco and Switzerland seeing as they cannot be bothered paying their taxes here.
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Oh come on, are you telling me that given the chance, you wouldn't want to live somewhere as nice as Monaco and end up keeping about 90% of your money compared to 60%? (Not sure of exact figures, but you see the point!)
I know i'd certainly do it :P.

@jonney - rFactor is decent, but probably a bit too hardcore for most... And by the way that video probably isn't the best to show off it's realism (crash looks stupid).
 
jonneymendoza said:
The fact that red bull's simulator is rfactor pro says it all on how realistic and hardcore rfactor is
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That's the point i'm making... You have to know the circuit inside out and one little twitch, over-correction or slightly wrong line/entry speed/braking point and you're spinning off the track :LOL:.

It's not really a "fun" game, i've only really played it to see how well I can do in comparison to real drivers and I have managed to get within 4 seconds of the 2009 pole time at Australia (the only circuit I know really well, has a nice flow to it) and this is without the physical side of F1 - the g-forces, heat of the cockpit, the fear factor (i.e. in real life, you could die if you crash... this doesn't affect you in the game) and I had automatic transmission on (but TC and ALBS off).

Anyway, getting OT as this is about real F1.
 
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Rob92 said:
I don't understand the Hamilton hating bandwagon personally... He's a competitive, talented driver and it isn't up to him to enforce the rules.
Oh come on, are you telling me that given the chance, you wouldn't want to live somewhere as nice as Monaco and end up keeping about 90% of your money compared to 60%? (Not sure of exact figures, but you see the point!)
I know i'd certainly do it :P.

@jonney - rFactor is decent, but probably a bit too hardcore for most... And by the way that video probably isn't the best to show off it's realism (crash looks stupid).
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Well my mentality is different. I would not mind at all but perhaps I'm more philanthropically minded and less materialistic.

I'm sure they could survive on the remaining annual salaries after tax.

I wonder how much in comparison such as the race engineer, pit mechanics, designers get ? After all they are also vital cogs in the effort.
 
Hungarian Grand Prix 2010 results:

1 Mark Webber 1:41:05.571

2 Fernando Alonso +17.8 secs

3 Sebastian Vette +19.2 secs

4 Felipe Massa +27.4 secs

5 Vitaly Petrov +73.1 secs:APPLAUD:

6 Nico Hulkenberg +76.7 secs

7 Pedro de la Rosa +1 Lap

8 Jenson Button +1 Lap

9 Kamui Kobayashi +1 Lap

10 Rubens Barrichello +1 Lap

11 Michael Schumacher +1 Lap

12 Sebastien Buemi +1 Lap

13 Vitantonio Liuzzi +1 Lap

14 Heikki Kovalainen +3 Laps

15 Jarno Trulli +3 Laps

16 Timo Glock +3 Laps

17 Bruno Senna +3 Laps

18 Lucas di Grassi +4 Laps

19 Sakon Yamamoto +4 Laps

Ret Lewis Hamilton +47 Laps

Ret Robert Kubica +47 Laps

Ret Nico Rosberg +55 Laps

Ret Adrian Sutil Accident

Ret Jaime Alguersuari +69 Laps
 
Schumacher was very naughty today.
 
Bad day for Mclaren...

The safety car pit stops were MENTAL, the pit crew must have some balls to stand around with all that going on around them.
 
Last season F1 had me hooked - I'd get up early to watch the early races, stay up to date on all the news and could watch full races with interest.

This season I can't stand it... For some reason I just get really bored watching it and tend to just switch over until the last few laps, or just check the result...

It was probably how well Brawn GP/Button were doing that had me watching it last year.
 
Good fellow Hamilton, on a course of all race it showed good results which have allowed not to admit to itself Webber and Kubica and to finish on the first place, well done! Also Kubica and Vebber who desperately struggled for the second position have shown excellent race, but there was more strongly Vebber. Though also Kubica has stood on hind legs and has brought in a coin box of Renault a steel important points. Also I think it is possible to note again Petrov who after unsuccessful classification started from 23 positions and having won back already 14 positions could bring in a coin box of Renault 2 of a point. By the way, on mine such result shown by Petrov proves that it really rising star of the Formula 1.:BYE:
 
Bernie say F1 will be in HD next season, sounds too good to be true.

This has been a great season so far.
 
Best F1 season in 20 years indeed. 5 contenders... that makes racing intense. And having Vettel and Alonso in the same second for most of the race was great. If only they could improve the tracks to allow a little more advancements...
 
It will be valid, similar the end of this season very persistent and interesting, I will look forward the following race in Japan with impatience.:BOP:
 
Today Seb will go for the title. He had so many problems during the season. All technical defects were on Vettel's car, Webber had not a single one. And Alonso: Nope, I don't like him. I would be happy for Ferrari, if he wins, but not for him.

So: Seb for the win, the Aussie and AlejandroFernandoRoberto will crash into each other in the first rounds. ;)

EDIT: YES! What a race, what a finish and what a f**khead is Alonso? Simply this brainless action against Petrov after the race shows what a bastard he is. Hadn't he had that teamorder at Hockenheim, he would have had no chance at all. Hopefully he will never win again. This is definitive the right end of the best Formula 1 season since ages. Seb, it was right, never to give up!
 
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Petrov is my idol! :D

Glückwünsche Sebastian!

@ S-NipE: I think you were very harsh with Mark. Since the begin we knew Seb was the favourite inside RBR. Moreover, Mark had so many problems in the team because of those favours. Look, I'm saying this although Sebastian is one of my favourite drivers alongside Lewis and Schummi.

I feel sorry for Mark. It was his last chance to snap the title. I hope to be wrong because he is such a nice guy and a gentleman, he deserves to win sooner or later.
 
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