FIFA/FC vs PES/eFootball

TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal! said:
Ok in terms of this thread, it has been a blast. But things are going too far now so cya lata!
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Yup, it's become the thread for two people to do nothing but undermine any who dares to criticise their precious PES. As I said previously, about time this thread spent some time in the PES sub-forum instead of the Fifa forum.
 
Final Pass said:
So because I have given my opinion on PES, in a FIFA v PES thread, I am 'spamming'.

Yet Craney can consistently keep saying why he doesn't rate FIFA (which is fine) yet he doesn't get the same treatment?

Hmm.

Anyway, I acknowledge your warning.

Won't say anything else on the matter - seems there are too many sensitive souls around here.
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You completely missed the point,Your coming in every day,saying same thing,several times,You have had Your opine more than most,its becoming repetitive.
Placebo said:
Yup, it's become the thread for two people to do nothing but undermine any who dares to criticise their precious PES. As I said previously, about time this thread spent some time in the PES sub-forum instead of the Fifa forum.
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And once again a one dimensional view presented.If people wish to talk healthily about both game facets thats fine, come in and give Your opinions.Dont spam it though.

BTW the thread is moving nowhere.
 
superleeds1 said:
And once again a one dimensional view presented.
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It represents the view of certain posters in here, oh wait it's my fault because I'm "insane, unbalanced and biased". You tell two people to stop posting to each other, I stop, the other one doesn't, oh it's ok he's a PES fan I'll leave him alone to continue.

superleeds1 said:
If people wish to talk healthily about both game facets thats fine
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L.O.L.
 
Placebo said:
It represents the view of certain posters in here, oh wait it's my fault because I'm "insane, unbalanced and biased". You tell two people to stop posting to each other, I stop, the other one doesn't, oh it's ok he's a PES fan I'll leave him alone to continue.



L.O.L.
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I have not asked ANYONE to stop posting to each other, I have asked Final Pass to desist as HE is spamming same thing time after time,every day.
Nothing more,nothing less.
Moderators word is always final,bit like arguing with the ref.
 
I will remind EVERYONE without exception that this thread is CONTRAST AND COMPARE,
not to be confused with FIFA VERSUS PES.
Its not a damn war of attrition,its just a few layers of plastic after all.
 
craney91 said:
For me its the presentation and glitter of FIFA which is confused with graphics. From a far it looks decent at times. But zoom in.

No way is Pro Evo as bad graphically as some people are making out. Trouble is people compare the presentation with FIFA and the lack of shiny things, the lack of licenses and what not.
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Pro Evo isn´t bad graphically, but it isn´t good either tbh.
For a PS4 (XBOXOne) game...it doesn´t look very fierce, let´s be honest.
But this is probably down to their strange settings.
Funny thing is, KONAMI HAD it right in the last release and in many releases before.

And I´m not comparing it with FIFA...that´s a whole another thing.
I know that to some people grapics don´t mean nothing but in 2016 graphics shouldn´t have that of a low priority.
At least don´t make it look so washed out and don´t make me have to change my monitor settings each time I fire up this game.

craney91 said:
Right off the bat they're in a negative mindframe about the game before they've even kicked the ball. A real shame.
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Who they?
Tbh I´m tired of this argument. I´m sure 99% of the peeps in this thread have played both games.
I did too (well didn´t give the FIFA 17 demo enough time but played 16 to death).

We all know that both games have their pros and cons.
But this permanent overdefending KONAMI is what I don´t get, like praising them "oohhhh what have you done!"

Tbh, PES 2017 should/could have been PES 2016.

Don´t get me wrong, I came back from FIFA 16 (absolutely great game) and seem to have fun with PES 2017 for a whole year (at least I hope so).
Almost all of the issues I had with PES 2016 are gone in PES 2017.
Yet I still see failures which - in my personal opinion - are down to bad programming or not testing the game thoroughly.
And we´re talking about KONAMI here. It´s not like they are developing games since yesterday.

I enjoy this game no doubt, but I think it should be okay to criticise...at least if it is constructive and not trolling.
 
Well said chiefrocka4real,most will have tried both and formed opinions,and then its down to whatever does it for the individual.
Its not about "Us" and "Them" and taking sides,and ultimately that is why this thread gets skewed.
I also played FIFA 16 all last year in to this,and have now gone back to PES17,because for me its down to the gameplay.
Which obviously means I think PES is better this year.But certainly not on every level.
In presentation terms FIFA takes it hands down,if only we could get PES gameplay in FIFA.
Conversely though no FIFA fan is likely to want FIFA play in PES,and that says something about where PES falls short.
 
So we've buried the guns then?
"We" PES players should be able to take critisism,same goes for the FIFA guys.
But a few has really been counterproductive in here,good that the mod has sorted that out.
Just like Chiefrocka4life has pointed out,most of us in here play both,and like both for various reasons/use.
Loved FIFA 16,still play it when I get pissed off with PES.
And grown up people being so narrow minded and so brainwashed that their PES/FIFA branding doesn't let them give the other the benefit of their believes a chance,is fucking pathetic.
Grow up,or don't post.
Like logging into a right wing vs left wing forum in here sometimes.
1 read
2 reflect
3 answer (if necessary)
In here people tend to do that in reverse order.
 
I was brought up on PES, FIFA was turd back in the day.

I don't do the fanboy thing, if anything I buy both every year.

I find grown men that get attached to video game franchises and/or video game consoles a little bit pathetic.

Glad the thread is back on track anyway. Looking forward to reading more viewpoints in the coming days.
 
Final Pass said:
PES just feels and looks archaic now. It resembles a Serie A match in the 90s. Slow, methodical and tactical. Which is fine. But I want the Premier League action, the glitz, the stadia, the presentation, the visuals - I want the whole package.

There simply isn't enough in PES 2017 for the modern gamer - this is why I worry for the series, especially as (apparently - I have read this at another forum) it hasn't done as well as Konami would have liked sales-wise this year.
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Going to pick up on those two points above:

- It is a little strange that you say PES is rubbish for comparing it (inaccurately might I add) to a particular style of football, then go on to say how you want the Premier League style of football as that offers "the whole package" You have essentially said it yourself: FIFA doesn't offer the whole package just like PES doesn't because it caters to a particular style, unless you think the Premier League style is the only style which is fair enough if you think that but it would be both inaccurate and a little ignorant. Maybe we might get a game that embraces all styles should they (Konami/EA) concentrate on the football and not the guff surrounding it - be that what happens around the actual sport or trying to keep up with gaming trends or ways in which to generate more money after the initial sale. Glitz, presentation and stadia are good to haves, not need to haves if we are talking about making a truly all-embracing football video game.

- It is a tad ignorant you suggesting PES2017 doesn't do enough for the modern gamer. It is also incredibly condescending along with being somewhat delusional in that you believe you are the embodiment of the modern gamer. In fact, the point could be made that the modern gamer is a "casual" gamer: are you therefore a "casual"? Also, the modern gamer isn't necessarily always right. You want proof? Check how both games actively look to exploit consumers with their FUT/MyClub nonsense and these modern gamers rolling with it. It is far worse in other genres and just because folks are submissive in droves doesn't make them right. It makes them compliant. I really think you are being short-sighted here in the extreme.

Oh god! Here we go with the "worry for the series" line. Listen, PES will sell millions. Not as many millions as FIFA, but millions. Konami could very well have placed higher expectations on the game than they should have, but they have done so by not marketing the game anywhere near the levels that EA does with FIFA. Konami get some amount of shit, particularly from modern gamers who believe whatever they read on N4G or take on board without question the bullshit that is often spouted by "modern gamers" icons such as Jim "Fuck Konami" Sterling and bloody Angry Joe. What often goes unnoticed is that when it comes to PES, they market wisely and prudently. They know their audience, or potential/target audience, and if you think Konami currently see the potential/target audience as the FIFA audience exclusively then you are not paying attention. The marketing and investment budget for PES means that they can probably take a hit. It really should not go without note that selling a couple of million of any game these days can be considered success, so long as the budget spent to develop/market is set to such expectation. Granted, maybe Konami have overestimated, but not by millions.

Finally, Konami aren't as cheap as some would have you believe. We are talking about a company that bankrolled Kojima to the tune of £70m or thereabouts on MGSV; that was just development, not marketing. They spunked tens of millions on the series before that too and entertained all his bizarre requests throughout. I love Kojima, but Konami are a business and it is frankly amazing that they put up with his mad, massively over-budget genius (EA's eyes would even water at such outaly at such risk) Now that is a game that didn't sell the numbers to perhaps match its budget on development.

Who is to say that with them cutting back on games development in the triple A market, that they don't then invest more in PES and look to compete more aggressively? It is arguably the perfect situation for a football to game to flourish - a business that does generate hefty profit from other initiatives and ventures, combined with a fair amount off the bill now (Kojima's productions) and a product still fondly loved by some and fondly remembered by others.

TL;DR - EA/FIFA don't have "the complete package" and don't have ALL the answers. If they did, their football game would be/should be selling astronomical numbers the likes of which gaming has never seen. It doesn't. And if god forbid the situation arises that EA (or Konami) are the only ones tasked with giving answers to football videogames questions then we'll all lose, no matter how many sliders/licenses/staduims/animations/team styles they throw at it.
 
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curdstar said:
Going to pick up on those two points above:

- It is a little strange that you say PES is rubbish for comparing it (inaccurately might I add) to a particular style of football, then go on to say how you want the Premier League style of football as that offers "the whole package" You have essentially said it yourself: FIFA doesn't offer the whole package just like PES doesn't because it caters to a particular style, unless you think the Premier League style is the only style which is fair enough if you think that but it would be both inaccurate and a little ignorant. Maybe we might get a game that embraces all styles should they (Konami/EA) concentrate on the football and not the guff surrounding it - be that what happens around the actual sport or trying to keep up with gaming trends or ways in which to generate more money after the initial sale. Glitz, presentation and stadia are good to haves, not need to haves if we are talking about making a truly all-embracing football video game.

- It is a tad ignorant you suggesting PES2017 doesn't do enough for the modern gamer. It is also incredibly condescending along with being somewhat delusional in that you believe you are the embodiment of the modern gamer. In fact, the point could be made that the modern gamer is a "casual" gamer: are you therefore a "casual"? Also, the modern gamer isn't necessarily always right. You want proof? Check how both games actively look to exploit consumers with their FUT/MyClub nonsense and these modern gamers rolling with it. It is far worse in other genres and just because folks are submissive in droves doesn't make them right. It makes them compliant. I really think you are being short-sighted here in the extreme.

Oh god! Here we go with the "worry for the series" line. Listen, PES will sell millions. Not as many millions as FIFA, but millions. Konami could very well have placed higher expectations on the game than they should have, but they have done so by not marketing the game anywhere near the levels that EA does with FIFA. Konami get some amount of shit, particularly from modern gamers who believe whatever they read on N4G or take on board without question the bullshit that is often spouted by "modern gamers" icons such as Jim "Fuck Konami" Sterling and bloody Angry Joe. What often goes unnoticed is that when it comes to PES, they market wisely and prudently. They know their audience, or potential/target audience, and if you think Konami currently see the potential/target audience as the FIFA audience exclusively then you are not paying attention. The marketing and investment budget for PES means that they can probably take a hit. It really should not go without note that selling a couple of million of any game these days can be considered success, so long as the budget spent to develop/market is set to such expectation. Granted, maybe Konami have overestimated, but not by millions.

Finally, Konami aren't as cheap as some would have you believe. We are talking about a company that bankrolled Kojima to the tune of £70m or thereabouts on MGSV; that was just development, not marketing. They spunked tens of millions on the series before that too and entertained all his bizarre requests throughout. I love Kojima, but Konami are a business and it is frankly amazing that they put up with his mad, massively over-budget genius (EA's eyes would even water at such outaly at such risk) Now that is a game that didn't sell the numbers to perhaps match its budget on development.

Who is to say that with them cutting back on games development in the triple A market, that they don't then invest more in PES and look to compete more aggressively? It is arguably the perfect situation for a football to game to flourish - a business that does generate hefty profit from other initiatives and ventures, combined with a fair amount off the bill now (Kojima's productions) and a product still fondly loved by some and fondly remembered by others.

TL;DR - EA/FIFA don't have "the complete package" and don't have ALL the answers. If they did, their football game would be/should be selling astronomical numbers the likes of which gaming has never seen. It doesn't. And if god forbid the situation arises that EA (or Konami) are the only ones tasked with giving answers to football videogames questions then we'll all lose, no matter how many sliders/licenses/staduims/animations/team styles they throw at it.
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Good post,very good post.
 
curdstar said:
Going to pick up on those two points above:

- It is a little strange that you say PES is rubbish for comparing it (inaccurately might I add) to a particular style of football, then go on to say how you want the Premier League style of football as that offers "the whole package" You have essentially said it yourself: FIFA doesn't offer the whole package just like PES doesn't because it caters to a particular style, unless you think the Premier League style is the only style which is fair enough if you think that but it would be both inaccurate and a little ignorant. Maybe we might get a game that embraces all styles should they (Konami/EA) concentrate on the football and not the guff surrounding it - be that what happens around the actual sport or trying to keep up with gaming trends or ways in which to generate more money after the initial sale. Glitz, presentation and stadia are good to haves, not need to haves if we are talking about making a truly all-embracing football video game.

- It is a tad ignorant you suggesting PES2017 doesn't do enough for the modern gamer. It is also incredibly condescending along with being somewhat delusional in that you believe you are the embodiment of the modern gamer. In fact, the point could be made that the modern gamer is a "casual" gamer: are you therefore a "casual"? Also, the modern gamer isn't necessarily always right. You want proof? Check how both games actively look to exploit consumers with their FUT/MyClub nonsense and these modern gamers rolling with it. It is far worse in other genres and just because folks are submissive in droves doesn't make them right. It makes them compliant. I really think you are being short-sighted here in the extreme.

Oh god! Here we go with the "worry for the series" line. Listen, PES will sell millions. Not as many millions as FIFA, but millions. Konami could very well have placed higher expectations on the game than they should have, but they have done so by not marketing the game anywhere near the levels that EA does with FIFA. Konami get some amount of shit, particularly from modern gamers who believe whatever they read on N4G or take on board without question the bullshit that is often spouted by "modern gamers" icons such as Jim "Fuck Konami" Sterling and bloody Angry Joe. What often goes unnoticed is that when it comes to PES, they market wisely and prudently. They know their audience, or potential/target audience, and if you think Konami currently see the potential/target audience as the FIFA audience exclusively then you are not paying attention. The marketing and investment budget for PES means that they can probably take a hit. It really should not go without note that selling a couple of million of any game these days can be considered success, so long as the budget spent to develop/market is set to such expectation. Granted, maybe Konami have overestimated, but not by millions.

Finally, Konami aren't as cheap as some would have you believe. We are talking about a company that bankrolled Kojima to the tune of £70m or thereabouts on MGSV; that was just development, not marketing. They spunked tens of millions on the series before that too and entertained all his bizarre requests throughout. I love Kojima, but Konami are a business and it is frankly amazing that they put up with his mad, massively over-budget genius (EA's eyes would even water at such outaly at such risk) Now that is a game that didn't sell the numbers to perhaps match its budget on development.

Who is to say that with them cutting back on games development in the triple A market, that they don't then invest more in PES and look to compete more aggressively? It is arguably the perfect situation for a football to game to flourish - a business that does generate hefty profit from other initiatives and ventures, combined with a fair amount off the bill now (Kojima's productions) and a product still fondly loved by some and fondly remembered by others.

TL;DR - EA/FIFA don't have "the complete package" and don't have ALL the answers. If they did, their football game would be/should be selling astronomical numbers the likes of which gaming has never seen. It doesn't. And if god forbid the situation arises that EA (or Konami) are the only ones tasked with giving answers to football videogames questions then we'll all lose, no matter how many sliders/licenses/staduims/animations/team styles they throw at it.
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I think to clear up any ambiguarity regarding who FIFA is 'catered' for here is highlights of the wembley cup:

FIFA is catered to your everyday people and those who hype themselves up the most on youtube are seen as the kings.

Football is nowhere near as hard as these youtubers make out it is.

Its a game of ZERO tactical awareness needed, a game where you don't need to focus hard and setup your team properly, you push start and play and if you want you can change the sliders to change from one style to another to slow it down but you will need to keep changing the sliders once you get used to that style. This is how FIFA is programed, so every team plays in one style over and over!

There is only but one clear reason why EA have left the tactical sliders the same since FIFA 09 (8 YEARS THE SAME SYSTEM!!!) its because they dont care about depth and realism. Some of the sliders like line height ffs should be a tactical slider! Thats how it is in PES but EA, its just all about hype!

Talking about FIFA's gameplay for me is literally a waste of time, its pure deception! The gameplay is pure trash this year and they know it, hence why everything else is wonderful! The Journey is the start of something very very good indeed :)

The only discussion when it comes to FIFA gameplay is they must start again and reprogram the gameplay from scratch, re importing and reimplementing every single aspect from the ground up, until then they should go back to 2010 world cup gameplay so at least the game is fun, not a car crash of shoddy programming!
 
klashman69 said:
The only discussion when it comes to FIFA gameplay is they must start again and reprogram the gameplay from scratch, re importing and reimplementing every single aspect from the ground up, until then they should go back to 2010 world cup gameplay so at least the game is fun, not a car crash of shoddy programming!
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yep, they would need to rebuilt the code from scratch, but they won't. They will just keep adding more fluff and license.... More polishing of the turd. Trust me i know EA from years of proof.. They don't do anymore then needed to sell. Big corporate statistics, all graphed out.

Let's give them a demo not with 5 min halves but 4, research shows it will increase sales by .01%...... :BLEH:
 
haha, it's been a long time since I visited this place

I'm converted to FIFA 17, now firstly I only play on pc... but it's not just about technical excellence and graphics difference that made me try and bought fifa this year.

I'm enjoying fifa right now because it's even better than the pc demo, gameplay on slow is indeed even slower, I spent like 40 hours on the demo itself as it's shown by origin play time counter and I immediately could feel the slower speed on the full game.

I've found the AI on legendary is quite fair by FIFA standard, it's still overpowered a bit but not as much as in the demo and not as overpowered as from the years ago (last time I played fifa was fifa 13, before that... fifa 2000 and rtwc 1998, so as you can see... I don't play fifa that much and was more of winning eleven / pes player)

however what impressed me the most is the defending, fifa tactical defending... it is... as recent kotaku comparison article stated... it's football...! it is exactly how real football is, although yes as the same article stated, it may not be fun, it maybe overly hard for the casuals, it may not even be good for the hardcore players...

however it is a realistic football defending mechanism

and for that alone

it roflstomp the we/pes archaic and obsolete 2 buttons "I win" semi automatic defending system that has been there for decades with little to no new mechanics.

fifa's tactical defending make players put serious efforts to defense and make them care more about losing possession, it's a game changer that make the claim for pes realistic football feel hilarious and unjustified

it is hard to master and I admit I'll never master it as I'm bad at defending, also I hated it when I played fifa 13 but now I can appreciate it after decades of we/pes dumbed down mechanics.

everything else on fifa 17 pc are great, sure players individuality isn't as pronounced as in pes, sure passing and shooting do not have as much "weight" as they're in pes however that is just a matter of perspective, after years of we/pes I had begun to feel they are too heavy, when I played fifa 13 I sure thought they were too light and like plastic toys, however now in fifa 17, I feel they are just right, on the other hand I feel in pes 17 they're too sluggish.

speaking about passing, there are far more varied ground passes on fifa than pes, on fifa there are some small lobbed ppasses that the player (in game footballers) executed when exchanging ground passes depending on their situations, such passes don't exist on pes.

btw the new fifa body ball shielding mechanism is indeed overpowered, it need to be tweaked.

online is also another matter where fifa roflstomp pes, my experience with pes online was terrible, the worst ever.

I admit pes still has better options regarding team strategies though, more playing styles and the ability to easily save formations are better than in fifa.

what else do I need to compare?
 
I guess my opinion is somewhat valid after having spent hundreds of hours with FIFA up til this year, but switching to PES 2017 PC after all the hype.

All playing v CPU, because I can't stand online.

Things PES does better:
- The 'small' touches are awesome. Little animations you only see once in a dozen matches like side footed control from the air, and outside of the boot flicked passes. Keeps it feeling organic
- Player individuality - obviously - playing against someone like Vardy in the game is a nightmare.
- Team variance: If I play a terrible team in PES, it feels like I have an advantage. In FIFA, they often used to get more possession than me. There's also decent strategy you can use to try and exploit advantages etc.
- Personally I think the faces are better, not that it really matters

Things PES does worse:
- Fouling is utterly broken against the CPU. It's like their officials are from the 80s, and your officiating is La Liga. This would be less of a problem if not for...
-...the defender catch-up bug is appalling. Maybe it's just because I haven't played PES since PES6, but has it always been this bad? It's completely game changing for me. There's almost no point in playing strikers over a high line, you will be caught by any defender. And they'll typically go right through the back of you, forcing the ridiculous stumbling animation, with no foul called. I guess the only nice thing is that the CPU is equally screwed, I've not once been scored on by a through ball, because I can always catch the striker.
- These two issues combined make attacking a real chore for me, unless I just spam one touch passing which kind of works. I feel like there just isn't close enough control v the CPU, as they can just knock you off the ball from any angle.
- Slide tackling should just not be a feature. They've clearly nixed the 'ball lock on' programming when you do it. Just don't bother.

Anyway, it's only a week of playing and part of it is years of FIFA, but I'm blown away that people are saying PES is earth-shattering this year (9.5 on IGN I believe). For me, both games are fundamentally pretty terrible against the CPU. Maybe neither is bothering to code for that, I dunno, and maybe they're amazing in PvP. But it feels like another year waiting for a great single-player footballing experience.
 
Im seriously thinking about switching to PES after I enjoyed the demo, and that on PC! So it says a lot:LMAO:

But with the visual/graphical mods that are already there on pc so far it can almost match if not even become better than the PS4 version
 
napo_rz said:
however what impressed me the most is the defending, fifa tactical defending... it is... as recent kotaku comparison article stated... it's football...! it is exactly how real football is, although yes as the same article stated, it may not be fun, it maybe overly hard for the casuals, it may not even be good for the hardcore players...

however it is a realistic football defending mechanism
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You are shitting me, right? Tactical defending is exactly how defending is in real life?

I'll read through the rest of your post but, man, that right there is one egregious bullshit of a claim.

Oh, and I am not suggesting PES' defending mechanics are remotely close either, when considering, once again, HOW SIMPLE FOOTBALL IS TO PLAY. Jesus! Football is such a simple sport, with it being tactics and strategy that are the real complexities and differentiators at professional level, not the ability to follow a dude who has the ball using "special tactics"

I read posts like yours and do wonder how some perfectly able people manage to put one foot in front of the other and walk if they think tactical defending or whatever other convoluted mechanic layered onto a control scheme in a football game is considered realistic or, to quote yourself "is exactly how real football is"

Dunno about you mate, but running after or jockeying some dude when I played football wasn't that difficult. Was only difficult when they used similar basic instincts to stop me getting near them. Tactical defending is a pointless mechanic, designed primarily to reduce the chances of breaking the code or exposing the flaws.

I mean, FFS! These games are approximations, not the gospel of football. But as I am open to be proven wrong the next time I go to see Thistle I will shout the following:

"USE TACTICAL DEFENDING, LIAM LINDSAY!"

"OCH, YOU USELESS TWAT! I SAID PRESS YOUR R1 AND X BUTTONS TO CONTAIN, YOU FUD!"

Maybe then we won't be bottom of the league.
 
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curdstar said:
You are shitting me, right? Tactical defending is exactly how defending is in real life?

I'll read through the rest of your post but, man, that right there is one egregious bullshit of a claim.

Oh, and I am not suggesting PES' defending mechanics are remotely close either, when considering, once again, HOW SIMPLE FOOTBALL IS TO PLAY. Jesus! Football is such a simple sport, with it being tactics and strategy that are the real complexities and differentiators at professional level, not the ability to follow a dude who has the ball using "special tactics"

I read posts like yours and do wonder how some perfectly able people manage to put one foot in front of the other and walk if they think tactical defending or whatever other convoluted mechanic layered onto a control scheme in a football game is considered realistic or, to quote yourself "is exactly how real football is"

Dunno about you mate, but running after or jockeying some dude when I played football wasn't that difficult. Was only difficult when they used similar basic instincts to stop me getting near them. Tactical defending is a pointless mechanic, designed primarily to reduce the chances of breaking the code or exposing the flaws.

I mean, FFS! These games are approximations, not the gospel of football. But as I am open to be proven wrong the next time I go to see Thistle I will shout the following:

"USE TACTICAL DEFENDING, LIAM LINDSAY!"

"OCH, YOU USELESS TWAT! I SAID PRESS YOUR R1 AND X BUTTONS TO CONTAIN, YOU FUD!"

Maybe then we won't be bottom of the league.
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Lol I knew I would struck some nerves on pes fanboys when I posted that, they are so used with the archaic "I win buttons" for defending...
 
napo_rz said:
Lol I knew I would struck some nerves on pes fanboys when I posted that, they are so used with the archaic "I win buttons" for defending...
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You are literally posting on a PES site. You aren't trolling anyone but yourself. But please, continue to tell me how tactical defending is exactly like real football. Go on. Explain, using specific examples, without using broadcast footage as reference, how tactical defending is exactly like real football.

To quote myself:

curdstar said:
Oh, and I am not suggesting PES' defending mechanics are remotely close either...
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They are preferable to me though. Preferable does not mean "perfect" and certainly doesn't mean "exactly like real football"

Struck a nerve with PES fanboys? No. You have encouraged a response with your own fanboy-ish assertions. Your shit needs calling out here, regardless of what game anyone on this forum prefers.

Don't try and back-track with the whole "Gotcha! I was winding you all up LOL" bollocks. You took time to post at length about how the defensive mechanics used in FIFA are not simply to your preference but, and I will say again, that they replicate exactly how it is in real football.
 
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TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal! said:
I recommend shutting the thread as it was a good discussion. Then lads got too defensive over people saying they didn't like PES and 1 tried to tell me I didn't know how to play the game properley ;).
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Yeah good idea.
I´m up for any discussion but not if people get so emotional about a (two) videogame (s).
I thought the majority in this forum is kinda mature...but well....
 
Sorry lads, not had a chance to reply as I was too busy out in Glasgow being offended and seeking to protect my precious PES2017...













...by purchasing a copy of FIFA17 over the counter at G-Force. The best way to protect a brand is by also spending money on the only alternative.
 
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rockstrongo said:
We've had quite a few hysterical FIFA guys in here aswell.
Haven't we?
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Please dont drag it all up again as far as this thread is concerned,it will be GAME OVER if that continues.
Its six of one and half a dozen of the other.And its only a handful of people doing it.
People always want the last word,well admin & mods here get the last word always. :COP:
 
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