FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)

[Peter Withe]

Well i just have to check and compare two matchs on YT from both games and the pace is completely fucked.
Didn't reach PES 2021 finger to me, in terms of pace logic and physics logic. Sorry. I know you don't like it but to me you're 100% wrong.
When passs are faster than shoots... Please, a little bit of common sense.

What a condescending post. “You’re 100% wrong” for having an opinion?

“Please a little common sense”. Common sense tells me to stop trying to persist with an update of PES 2020.

And don’t talk to people like that, your tone is completely out of order.

If FIFA 22 is so bad, you don’t need to keep posting the same thing over and over again in here.

 

[thelinnen]

OK so, this EA play thing, it will give me discount on the price for Fifa 22 (and more titles I suppose) but I will be stuck with EA play as long as I want to have access to the games, right?

edit: I just found this

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  If your membership expires, any purchases you made with your member discount are yours to keep.

So I could theoretically have EA Play for one month and get the discount? Because it looks like I can get the first month now for 0.79 pounds.

Yes, and EA Play was 79p for the first month this week. Was an absolute no brainer for me to play the trial.

I'll probably spend £20 on discounted packs as well, that usually is enough to last the year. Haven't played UT in years but Di Natale is an icon this year and I'm gonna build a team around him.

 

[philla]

Big chunk of Evo users split into two groups - pes crowd and fifa crowd.
Usually it means seeing all the flaws in one, while making up excuses for the other.
If you are on the fence and play both - most of the time you'll end up arguing with both.
Both games went downhill from 16/17 onwards, disregarding AI and focusing purely on User Vs User gameplay.
AI was dumbed down, AI individuality was forgotten, all AI teams started playing using the same, simplified code and patterns.

And while Pes is basically dead as a Dodo now - Fifa, after dreadful '21, made a lot of changes and is heading in good direction. Its not perfect, by any means, but comparing to F21 its a huge improvement. And comparing to eFootball... well...

I know you both prefer Pes21.
Heavily modded, I shall add, coz base version is fucking dreadful. Quite often both of you forget that little detail when arguing with people how amazing this game is.
We could spend another week here discussing which one do we think represent football better and at the end of the day we will be at the same place that we started.

I have played few matches with Chris on Full Manual, slow speed and it was the most enjoyable blend of fun and sim I have ever experienced online.
It was even better than F16 online, as F16 had to be tweaked with sliders and we couldnt do that online.
Here - even default sliders were really nice to play.

So lets just agree to disagree and end this conversation.

I never mentioned PES once, so i don't really know what you are up to. Why shouldn't we debate about pro and cons like we do and did in the PES thread?

 

[HyperSports]

And this age old consensus that “PES is simulation, FIFA is arcade” needs to die. It’s complete and utter BS made up by PES fanboys.

Thankyou you saving me from writing a long post.Sums it up in a nutshell.

 

[vialli82]

You were condescending without realizing before my post. Making me passing for a dumb guy, "FIFA 22 is technically light years ahead of PES 2021 it’s actually quite scary", how should i interpret it? Physics aren't respected, you know, technic doesn't do anything.
Edit: also i said "to me" so > opinion too.

Bloodborne is less technical than many other game but artistically it surpass plenty of others games. The direction is as much important as the technical part.

And sorry, but it's common sense to say that many football game are far closer in terms of respect of physics (not technically especially) than some others.
It's a misunterpretation from my part, sorry again @Mikhail
I'm more frustrated about the game than against anyone here. Even if yes, from what i read here and there, i must have thrust my own experience than believing what people say. I'm not a manual player, that's the difference.

I didn't liked PES 2020 but 2021, weirdly btw, more balanced overall, but that's another story.
Edit: against common sense, it's about the game i was talking, not what you're thinkin at all, i swear.
What we saw on gif from the beta, i saw it and feel it while playing.

 

[vialli82]

Thankyou you saving me a long post.

Never said that. It's two different game. But Fifa is a bit more "superstar move" oriented. You can't deny it.
But i think the balance in FIFA 22 is at least a bit restored in comparison to the others.

And yes, thanks to say

Why shouldn't we debate about pro and cons like we do and did in the PES thread?

Thanks. It seems it's a bit difficult here. Like i just can say i'm disappointed
While i would really, really want to love that game, but i mentioned stuffs that blocked me. That's all.
Perhaps i shouldn't have said i would stay with last year PS4 game, my fault on it, i admit (which is PES 2021)

And NO i didn't repeated the same thing over and over again, but differents things, if you read again.

 

[dinono10]

I think my option will stick to PES 2021. I just tried, except animation and superb graphism, presentation...
It's really because both are football games but there's nothing in common with PES in every motions.
So don't worry, no comparison needed when i will gives my impression.

I will gives it a chance 3 days and send my personnal feeling about the game, then if i still "blocked" to play that game (too fast in "slow", physics not like IRL at all, goal to goal in every game i've done, no feeling with the ball, Defending? First time in my life i really can't defend and it's my strong point/without making fault as players moving too fast... But AI is good, Keeper are, dribbing system is too, i can tell the opposite... But sorry i feel the game is made for kids, without insulting you)

I can assure you, it's not bashing, i saw goal vids and it wasn't that bad (but not that super good : acceptable and very beautiful). I can send you a picture with me, my name and the Blu Ray in my hand in French.

I'm seriously devastated ATM by trying the game as it looks like. If it would look as good as it's good to play for me at least...
Please don't trow me tomatoes please if i like some games you don't (PES or whatever else) but for the moment, everything seems like the faster and dynamic in the bad way FIFA i ever player. I'm already lost and i fear to don't found any alternative that you can imagine how disappointed i am. I wasn't prepared to that. I would class that version very low in my top of FIFA games. So much that i don't even understand that guys like you who searching simulation are agreeing with the direction that Fifa go. I won't lie, i got really hard to understand you, or "why". Looks like i received another version.

But looks like it's not that i'm a PES fan and nothing else can satisfy me : more like an allergy to Fifa feeling and overall.

I will try the sliders. But no manual please, the players are already moving non stop to fast everywhere on the pitch that i can found my marker/point of reference...
Well. So no online for me i think.

@Richie i don't think you will like it sincerely. But you can try it 3 or 4 days with Amazon and re-send it by the post even if there's no more plastic on it. They said it's okay, no problem, i won't loose any penny. So try with the 10 euros or try the game like me 3-4 days.
My feeling may change after some hours and 2 days, i won't already throw it like a freesbee. It's not my final decision yet.
Sorry for my negative post. I would have LOVED to say the opposite.

Same pal. Downloaded v9 option file and sticking with pes 2021

 

[Isslander]

Yes, and EA Play was 79p for the first month this week. Was an absolute no brainer for me to play the trial.

I'll probably spend £20 on discounted packs as well, that usually is enough to last the year. Haven't played UT in years but Di Natale is an icon this year and I'm gonna build a team around him.

Not to change this into an EA Play thread, but I was surprised what goodies are available. I was actually thinking about getting and Dirt 5 and Jedi Fallen Order but now I just have access to them through the subscription. Neat.

 

[Emroth]

I never mentioned PES once, so i don't really know what you are up to. Why shouldn't we debate about pro and cons like we do and did in the PES thread?

My angle was your general attitude towards Fifa and the fact that you are just coming to this thread from time to time to troll people, without really having anything constructive to say

 

[dinono10]

Having not played much of fifa 22. What does everyone think about the ball inertia and foot planting,is it improved?

 

[vialli82]

Having not played much of fifa 22. What does everyone think about the ball inertia and foot planting,is it improved?

Inertia compared to the 20 no, it's faster to shift weight from a position to another.
Edit: you're talking about the ball? Ah... Ball physics are a bit weird. You can see super fast build in triangle/rectangle like if the ball is directing in straight line super fast, don't know it was against Nice and Lyon who did that often, it was one of the more ping pong game very fast with no contro against CPU i never played (no exageration).
It never happened before, against an human yes but not the CPU;

Footplanting, no idea as steps are very fast but i didn't say that much skating, i didn't tried the pre-patch.
But i didn't feel sliding that much sincerely. Not an issue.

 

[Isslander]

The fast passing is definitely what I notice most in the vids. A lot of great build up play that looks nice and slow, and then suddenly a rocket from a player who didn't even seem to need to move his leg to make the pass. It sticks out when a lot of the animations and passing look really good.

 

[Madmac79]

I answered only talking about Fifa. It's not me who came up with PES 2021 on the table with comparison. Two did it. I just said that i will stick to it instead. I didn't really start

Bro, I haven't even quoted you. I was talking in general. When the discussion shifts towards comparisons of this kind it becomes toxic and frankly useless/unreadable in a short span of time. I think we should all do our best to keep it focused on the constructive side.

 

[vialli82]

I got it 3 very fast past also without moving their feet, that's what i said. And often 1-2 super fast. The thing is i'm on slow, and playing with average teams, that's what's bugged me. Talking more calm and sorry if i offended anyone.
But it was the first time i saw it in a football game. Animations related to power of the pass and some others stuffs doesn't just make sense.

A ball with that power would have been controlled before, but not only fast : but it was one touch passes.
It's a bit normal to be surprised, especially if it's the first time you see something like that. Perhaps more visible with PS5 and animations system, i remember before super L2+X passes who were controlled like a simple pass. But what i saw was like a lot of L2 pass with direct control, or one touch. Which was a bit flashy.

 

[vialli82]

Bro, I haven't even quoted you. I was talking in general. When the discussion shifts towards comparisons of this kind it becomes toxic and frankly useless/unreadable in a short span of time. I think we should all do our best to keep it focused on the constructive side.

Yes, but i did it, so i got the make excuse. Also, i got a negative vision of the game overall, perhaps less with sliders. The others are or satisfied or just like it.
Don't see it as a rushed opinion : but from someone surprised in the bad way, who wasn't prepared to see that (in comparison with, you know... But even some older Fifa too)

I will try it seriously more time. Then i'll made a conclusion if the game may suits me in the long terms of not. There's others games. Just not football.

And again Sorry @Mikhail i edited my post. About "common sense", i wasn't at all talking about you, neither opinion, i repeat, but from the game sense. Like the post saying some motions doesn't fit to the physics, controls, ball power etc. it's a bit too obvious than it's very an "Esport" thing when physics don't fits with the action. Not something i see in the other game (last comparision i made), there's issues for sure but not that, physically there's no such things (otherwhise i wouldn't make big eyes when i saw it). Just we have to admit we don't have the same expectations or focus.

Also, about, updating PES 2021, not 2020, it's for myself and i saw many people who like it. Not here especially (well here is the most people who don't like that game i never saw) also, my goal is not to update. But to correct mistake. For update, it's more Evo-web modders.

But we got games we like in common. You're a good guy, but you know when you like a game and some people (not especially you) considers you dumb to like it. You (I so) got some tendancy to put every "anti" in the same boat, misunderstood one with another. You're a good person just severe about some games haha, but feeling you know...

 

[thelinnen]

My last post on this game, as I've said about all there is.

There's something special about it. I shout at the TV when I score a well worked goal as if it were a real match. Just now on squad battles I was playing a CPU team that was far better than me. I came from behind twice, then out of nowhere Barella thundercunts a shot from 30 yards into the top corner. I lose.

My reaction?

It is a rare thing to lose a game of Fifa and not feel cheated. The AI has no business being this good in a football game.

 

[Peter Withe]

Yes, but i did it, so i got the make excuse. Also, i got a negative vision of the game overall, perhaps less with sliders. The others are or satisfied or just like it.
Don't see it as a rushed opinion : but from someone surprised in the bad way, who wasn't prepared to see that (in comparison with, you know... But even some older Fifa too)

I will try it seriously more time. Then i'll made a conclusion if the game may suits me in the long terms of not. There's others games. Just not football.

And again Sorry @Mikhail i edited my post. About "common sense", i wasn't at all talking about you, neither opinion, i repeat, but from the game sense. Like the post saying some motions doesn't fit to the physics, controls, ball power etc. it's a bit too obvious than it's very an "Esport" thing when physics don't fits with the action. Not something i see in the other game (last comparision i made), there's issues for sure but not that, physically there's no such things (otherwhise i wouldn't make big eyes when i saw it). Just we have to admit we don't have the same expectations or focus.

Also, about, updating PES 2021, not 2020, it's for myself and i saw many people who like it. Not here especially (well here is the most people who don't like that game i never saw) also, my goal is not to update. But to correct mistake. For update, it's more Evo-web modders.

But we got games we like in common. You're a good guy, but you know when you like a game and some people (not especially you) considers you dumb to like it... You got some tendancy to put every "anti" in the same boat, misunderstood one with another.

It’s cool mate, I was out of order myself - enjoy your weekend

 

[vialli82]

It’s cool mate, I was out of order myself - enjoy your weekend

Well the way i talked too... Sorry again. I think there's stuffs in life even more annoying + that PES shit which is normally something to "make us think to something else" affecting a lot of us. Video games and Edit are my therapy for example. It makes me think to something less bad.

I will continue my Fifa odyssey, without really testing, just try to play and that's all, and perhaps i will finally like it (well, i will try)

Don't worry, i won't annoy you any more. I just wanted to clarify

 

[HyperSports]

Never said that. It's two different game. But Fifa is a bit more "superstar move" oriented. You can't deny it.
But i think the balance in FIFA 22 is at least a bit restored in comparison to the others.

And yes, thanks to say

Thanks. It seems it's a bit difficult here. Like i just can say i'm disappointed
While i would really, really want to love that game, but i mentioned stuffs that blocked me. That's all.
Perhaps i shouldn't have said i would stay with last year PS4 game, my fault on it, i admit (which is PES 2021)

And NO i didn't repeated the same thing over and over again, but differents things, if you read again.

I have to disagree.I think fifa22 does a better job of reflecting modern day football and the difference between a superstar and lower league player.The caveat is lower league players still have quality.It’s not like a third division player cant hit a good pass or strike a ball from distance.There’s still plenty of technically good players all the way through the tears of football.And yes superstar players do stand out just as they should.It’s the first football game I’ve played where Barcelona actually play like Barcelona and when your against a lower stat team you can really command and dictate play.The differences are very noticible.But that doesn’t make your invinsible and just like the real game.A weaker side can still out think you by keeping it simple and just playing football.Capitalising on mistakes and just playing as a team.The other game just boosts stats for weaker sides when the AI is using them and when you do they can be so weak and fluff the most basic stuff.It just doesn’t come across as very realistic.

Play a champions league semi and then drop down to a game in the j league.After that play a FA cup final.Each game will be different and that’s what fifa captures so well.Player ID is there.Stats make a difference and you can feel it.The AI is constantly asking you questions and there’s real quantifiable momentum shifts that aren’t unfair,based on your decision making good or bad.

I also loved Pes21..But IMO this is on a completely different level.Football can be lightning quick and yes teams do score quick goals when defences are set.

It’s not perfect.But there’s ambition here and a real effort to better reflect the differences between teams and players.I salute that,and find it a breath of fresh air compared to the output of both companies for years.

I could go on all day about this game,the physics,AI and the clever way it allows a football mind to freely express itself.Gushing I know.But IMO fifa22 warrants it.

It also looks stunning and the attention to detail is something a pes fan could only dream of.

 

[dinono10]

My last post on this game, as I've said about all there is.

There's something special about it. I shout at the TV when I score a well worked goal as if it were a real match. Just now on squad battles I was playing a CPU team that was far better than me. I came from behind twice, then out of nowhere Barella thundercunts a shot from 30 yards into the top corner. I lose.

My reaction?

It is a rare thing to lose a game of Fifa and not feel cheated. The AI has no business being this good in a football game.

What difficulty? glad you had a good match

 

[alexispp]

I just tried it as I had the trial on the xbox Series S and got the stadia version. They look pretty much the same. I will try to run both at the same time to see if I see any difference but tbh I think it looks great, it might look a bit better on PS5 and Series X, but if you havent seen those I doubt you will think it looks bad.

Edit: I play on a 1080p TV

Thanks for your response! Saw a couple more videos and indeed the differences between Stadia and PS5 are barely noticeable.

 

[vialli82]

I don't really feel what you see @HyperSports or i didn't really understand in fact (got sometimes some issues with english) to me it's more on Fifa that you can't really match vs lower league teams. And i completely crush a lower league team when i play against / except in some game which is normal.
That's more a choice than a representation in fact. There's some "special case" with Giant Killing.
But i didn't really thinked about it. To me, it's so different to play than i can't compare the 2 representations.

A full team can't be that bad in one match : it's often on the long term that they lost again or make draws, and finish to be relegated, no bench neither etc. It's complex. But they can with against Madrid like Sheriff Tiraspol made not so long ago, on one match. PES, well, it depends also to your own skills.

That's always how i saw football personnally. To me PES is righter, but i don't see FIFA wrong neither as sometimes you got very weak team playing like big ones one Career mode. Personally it's my turn to disagree. I'm used to work on databases and players, worked on some sites ago, so i often saw that the big difference was often the bench (it's not the only one, starting 11 players stamina too)

But what you're talking is i repeat, something complex. Especially in a game, where your own skills plays on it, and the big difference is also players +- random form (depending the "form" stats) it always worked like this. And pretty well to me, on short and long terms.

That's also another difference of approach. Also the match in and out.
Well in fact we're both right thinkin of it. Just that the system is different, and Football is 60% predictable let's say. PES always worked like that and it never caused issue, aswell as Fifa.

 

[PRO_TOO]

I am currently rocking the second Spanish league with Girona and that’s a hell lotta fun.
Bought myself some young guns around 16 and 17 years old and now in the sixth or seventh fixture of the season it’s versus Valladolid and the fight for place one in the table. Can’t wait!

 

[thelinnen]

What difficulty? glad you had a good match

World class. Much improved this year as I usually play on Legendary.

 

[saturator]

I am currently rocking the second Spanish league with Girona and that’s a hell lotta fun.
Bought myself some young guns around 16 and 17 years old and now in the sixth or seventh fixture of the season it’s versus Valladolid and the fight for place one in the table. Can’t wait!

This game is a drog : I want my fix every minute!
Vially, what a shame but it's your choice and we accepted it. I hope you will find the game you deserved mate.

For now, i can tell after the beta and more than 100 matches, it's the best FIFA i have played!

 

[PRO_TOO]

This game is a drog : I want my fix every minute!
Vially, what a shame but it's your choice and we accepted it. I hope you will find the game you deserved mate.

For now, i can tell after the beta and more than 100 matches, it's the best FIFA i have played!

I wouldnt play match after match since last night, if I hadn’t the feeling, that hypermotion thingy brought back some FIFA16 vibes. and I mean the aspects that are important to me. Player movement and wheight.

my match for place one ended 1:1. what a nice result when the two top teams meet. And it was a thriller that fulfilled all the expectations.

il will go out, visit some nearby living friends, for a beer. put the PS5 in Rest Mode… the next match is waiting when I come back… 😊

and the crowd goes… „GIRONA GIRONA GIRONA…“

 

[Redhat]

Despite my grievances with the game (some of which I've rectified by learning to work around them), there's two elements that FIFA 22 offers that's extremely important to me as a primarily Career Mode player; challenge and variety. Now, the CPU does tend to favor shots from the corner of the six-yard box along with their postage stamp finishes, but their patterns of play are varied enough where it keeps me on my toes. They're a threat even if it's a tad over-the-top at times. Like @HyperSports and others have said, for once you can actually notice the gulf in class between opponents.

I was playing a slew of kick-off matches last night as United and against the likes of Leicester, it was fast, frantic, Vardy was a threat, they were punishing. Experimented by playing Barnsley and lo and behold, I dominated the match. They were sloppy (do note that I play with increased pass error) and naturally lacked individual brilliance, but they still managed create several clear-cut chances. Barnsley could have easily put a few past me if they were more clinical, but I felt like I had a strangle-hold on the match even though it was 0-0 for the majority of the match. I reiterate that I was in control, but it didn't end 7-0. That in and of itself is a beautiful thing.

In terms of when I have the ball, well, it offers variety in spades in terms of chance creation, penalty area action, a variety of passes and shot techniques, keeper animations (which goes hand-in-hand with shot/goal satisfaction which is top-notch). FIFA has had the superior shooting for eons now, so this isn't a surprise. I don't know how often people have mentioned the physicality, but there are moments where it's truly lifelike in terms of how players interact with each other during aerial battles (though, I did encounter a bug where one of my players jumped about 10 feet in the air which gave me a good laugh), 50-50s, or challenges in general. Some real Rush Football-esque shit at times, I kid you not. Of course, when juxtaposed with twitchy, Hypermotion skating that can occur, the contrast can be jarring.

I wasn't in the correct head space to accept FIFA for what it is which is a funny ol' thing considering I've played infinitely more FIFA over the past 13-years or so than I have PES. It was the mid 90s when I first played the series and have played every single iteration, have put thousands upon thousands of hours in practically every single game mode. I know what FIFA is all about and what to expect and more importantly, its limitations. The stubborn side of me was so bogged down in the fact that it wasn't exactly how I wanted it to be, it was detracting from my experience. I didn't even have heightened expectations ahead of the release, but that was still my state of mind. Not to get all spiritual or philosophical and this is more directed towards myself, but there are times where I just need to "let-go." Unfortunately, I'm the type of person that tends to hyper-analyze everything so that can be difficult.

I digress. It's fun, varied, challenging, has some amazing animations mixed with some downright peculiar ones, and I believe it will offer longevity for offline players if you can live with the negatives (some can't and that's understandable since they are very much in your face). For the 1,000th time, it needs more fouls and to solve that, defenders need to lunge-in and attempt more tackles.

 

[Madatek]

Soo, is this only me, or is the game not available on XBOX Series S | X? I can't seem to try it, wanted to use the gamepass

 

[Hatrickhero]

so to wrap this up, this game has to be bought on ps5 and not any other system right? or it s fine on pc?

 

[raul_ole]

What sliders are the best now?