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FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)

Mathgamer said:
Typical EA trailer, just to introduce what's new. Unfortunately the trailers are not made for us, only for generation x, y and z.
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Not just the trailers 😅
(And as a gen-Xer this trailer did nothing for me, I think we gen-Xers are not the target audience...).

Anth James said:
I don’t understand how they can say this business about ‘completely rewritten defensive AI which moves as a unit’ etc and also keep 1v1. They contradict each other.
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In my head there was no contradiction. I just interpreted "keeping their shape / moving as a unit" as "Rigid positioning / Disregard for opponents position". And that 2 second clip just shows them keep a pixel perfect straight line... Not tracking runs = Keeping shape. Works perfectly with the 1v1 concept? I think it's rational to assume the worse with modern football games.

Now them saying that they cover "empty space" in the same paragraph, yes that's weird. Or it means "they go where there's no opponent and mark the grass instead"!

I wonder if there's going to be a demo this year or if they need to take more time to concentrate on next gen...like last year. 🤣
 
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The trailer doesnt show anything as usual. Just a nother typical EA generic trailer with close actions showing moves and skills that God know It they Will actually be in the game.

That Said, I really Hope this hypemovement is something good and not Just marketing bullshit.
 
Chris Davies said:
Yeah, there's a video that plays showing the whole team's movement from a zoomed-out view and you can see tons of the same TERRIBLE animations. Terrible glitchy crab-walking legs that change speed from 0mph to 100mph and back.
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I was just about to point out those horrible clips from the game's website. How can they advertise the game using those?? Where's the super duper exclusive HyperMotion™ tech in there?
 
manmachine said:
Not just the trailers 😅
(And as a gen-Xer this trailer did nothing for me, I think we gen-Xers are not the target audience...).



In my head there was no contradiction. I just interpreted "keeping their shape / moving as a unit" as "Rigid positioning / Disregard for opponents position". And that 2 second clip just shows them keep a pixel perfect straight line... Not tracking runs = Keeping shape. Works perfectly with the 1v1 concept? I think it's rational to assume the worse with modern football games.

Now them saying that they cover "empty space" in the same paragraph, yes that's weird. Or it means "they go where there's no opponent and mark the grass instead"!

I wonder if there's going to be a demo this year or if they need to take more time to concentrate on next gen...like last year. 🤣
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Yeah the 'moving as a unit'/'covering vacant space' is where I have a tiny little bit of hope. I saw the contradiction in the 'moving as a unit' part. At the moment they keep their shape like you said, but it's strictly in the middle of the pitch. There's no shuffling across together based on the ball position. The video looks like more of the same though so I think it's going to be a long shot!!
 
I swear every year these FIFA games just seem like some kind of marketing experiment. Like it's a demonstration that, If you tell someone something has improved without proving it just because your saying it's a new product that psychologically, consumers trust and accept this and just assume "OK, It must be better because new and they say so in the press release - Why would they lie!"

Every year they slightly tweak the buzzwords and catchphrases more than they do the actual engine but all in all, both are still recycled annually.
 
Anth James said:
This *could* be one positive...but if 1v1 still exists then I don’t know how it would work...View attachment 109935
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Code for the back four will stay in a line unless following a striker to keep him onside for no reason, and midfield will not track runners. Any player that drops between the midfield and defence will have a 10 yard force field around him and pressing second press will cause your centre back to come sprinting out of position.
 
I don't see what's the big deal with the CDM's not tracking back, the only players that should defend, besides the goalkeeper, are the ones on the back line, afterall, they're what we call defenders, the rest of the team shouldn't be concerned with that, because they're not defenders, they're midfielders and forwards, so that's where they should position themselves at all times.

I don't believe in anything I've just typed above, I'm just trying to understand the logic behind it really, what goes through their heads when making these decisions. Actually, just recently I've played a football game that I really love where it was just like this, the only players that tracked back and defended were indeed the ones on the back line, it was called TECMO World Cup '93 for the Sega Master System, this mindset is literally one from 8-bit games, and honestly the game I've mentioned is more fun to play than FIFA for me, not even joking.
 
MafiaMurderBag said:
I swear every year these FIFA games just seem like some kind of marketing experiment. Like it's a demonstration that, If you tell someone something has improved without proving it just because your saying it's a new product that psychologically, consumers trust and accept this and just assume "OK, It must be better because new and they say so in the press release - Why would they lie!"

Every year they slightly tweak the buzzwords and catchphrases more than they do the actual engine but all in all, both are still recycled annually.
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People don't buy it because they are convinced it's better, actually many know the game is worsening. People buy it because it's the only way to play FUT.

IF EA decided one day to have FUT as a separate paid mode and paid Fifa game nobody will buy Fifa anymore, everyone would just buy FUT.
 
fernadez said:
Code for the back four will stay in a line unless following a striker to keep him onside for no reason, and midfield will not track runners. Any player that drops between the midfield and defence will have a 10 yard force field around him and pressing second press will cause your centre back to come sprinting out of position.
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That's almost exactly how I read it. In case it's still hard to score that's where the new "explosive sprint" mechanic comes in, which will allow you to blow past (or up!) a defender or two.
 
Maybe we should be a more patient when it com s to EA/FIFA?
It only took until FIFA 21to be able to see the opponent's starting lineup.
Still no fix for tables either,damn near impossible to win a league if you lose more than 2 games etc
 
Flipper the Priest said:
Correction: hypermotion sickness.

Found myself looking back at old FIFA back covers to see when the bullshit started in earnest.

EA SPORTS (TM) MotionDesign (TM) technology is the first instance I can find.

FIFA 96.
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I guess that goes to show that the bullshit phrases concocted by marketing pricks aren't necessarily the end of the world - i.e. the likes of FIFA 16, which is probably in the top one football games that exist in my humble opinion, had all this shit too. As you can see on the Amazon UK product listing.

Stuff like: "Interception Intelligence", "Dynamic Crossing", "Passing with Purpose", "Moments of Magic".

But, as I'm sadly realising as I read that listing, 16 is probably the last time that each of the buzz-phrases were all actually true.

Look at how much of that marketing stuff is about defending, too - the artform completely lost in modern football games.

Oh man. Combined with last night's result, it's all a bit much. BRB, going to go and cry in the corner for a bit.
 
Chris Davies said:
I guess that goes to show that the bullshit phrases concocted by marketing pricks aren't necessarily the end of the world - i.e. the likes of FIFA 16, which is probably in the top one football games that exist in my humble opinion, had all this shit too. As you can see on the Amazon UK product listing.

Stuff like: "Interception Intelligence", "Dynamic Crossing", "Passing with Purpose", "Moments of Magic".

But, as I'm sadly realising as I read that listing, 16 is probably the last time that each of the buzz-phrases were all actually true.

Look at how much of that marketing stuff is about defending, too - the artform completely lost in modern football games.

Oh man. Combined with last night's result, it's all a bit much. BRB, going to go and cry in the corner for a bit.
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I was surprised to find that "dynamic" appears so late, with "Physical Play", offering us "dynamic player collisions in"...

FIFA 2000.
 
Flipper the Priest said:
I was surprised to find that "dynamic" appears so late, with "Physical Play", offering us "dynamic player collisions in"...

FIFA 2000.
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Bear in mind, it all starts with truth. The head of development tells the marketing team what they've genuinely been working on, and the marketing team comes up with the names for it all. Back then, and to this day.

So the stuff they mention will have had work done to it. Whether it's A) enough work that it warrants a huge title like "dynamic player collisions", or B) work this community would see as "good work" (i.e. realism) as opposed to "bad work" (i.e. wrecking gameplay for FUT fun), is something else.

Take the "new ball physics" as an example. I take this as a warning sign. It feels desperate to me that this gets a mention. It's a standard yearly tweak, being packaged as a new feature. But worse than that - the tweaks may be to make FUT more fun, rather than the football more realistic...

...but they won't tell you that, because the FUT guys won't be put off by reading "realism" (in-fact, it makes them feel like big grown-up boys playing a grown-up's game), and guys like us will think "oh wow, that sounds promising".
 
Chris Davies said:
Bear in mind, it all starts with truth. The head of development tells the marketing team what they've genuinely been working on, and the marketing team comes up with the names for it all. Back then, and to this day.

So the stuff they mention will have had work done to it. Whether it's A) enough work that it warrants a huge title like "dynamic player collisions", or B) work this community would see as "good work" (i.e. realism) as opposed to "bad work" (i.e. wrecking gameplay for FUT fun), is something else.

Take the "new ball physics" as an example. I take this as a warning sign. It feels desperate to me that this gets a mention. It's a standard yearly tweak, being packaged as a new feature. But worse than that - the tweaks may be to make FUT more fun, rather than the football more realistic...

...but they won't tell you that, because the FUT guys won't be put off by reading "realism" (in-fact, it makes them feel like big grown-up boys playing a grown-up's game), and guys like us will think "oh wow, that sounds promising".
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Totally. I realise all I'm doing is howling at the moon here. I know how and why they do it, I know that most see through it, and I know that the only people it lures are the young ones who still have faith in the world. And lest it be for me to piss on their chips. As a former Chipfest champion, you'll appreciate that I'm sure.
 
majuh said:
What? The CDMs do track back in that clip:

https://media.contentapi.ea.com/con...hentic-motion/f22-authentic-motion-7x2-xl.mp4
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Isn't that the exact same clip I've posted? I'm not seeing CDMs engaging anyone defensively or attempting to get goal-side of them.

All I see are the same vastly-separated (horizontally) lines of defence and midfield, for FIFA's patented 1v1 battles, which doesn't represent real football in the slightest. The clip also shows that the supposed below feature isn't happening:

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IN DEFENCE
Rewritten defensive AI gives teams the ability to act as a tactical unit, retaining their shape to move across the pitch and cover vacant space.
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Hmmm....so what were defences doing previously and have EA taken 25 years to realise defences fundamentally need to function that way?

Or is this just a purported tweak to compensate for the disfunctional defences that last year's changes introduced?
 
Some more news:

The option to upgrade from current-gen to next-gen version on console, without having to buy two full-price games (e.g. if you currently have a PS4 but get a PS5 for Christmas) - which was previously free...

...is now only available if you buy the £90 Ultimate Edition, according to Eurogamer.

normazimuth said:
Hmmm....so what were defences doing previously and have EA taken 25 years to realise defences fundamentally need to function that way?

Or is this just a tweak to compensate for the disfunctional defences that last year's changes introduced?
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See post above. I can't see anything in the clips they've published to back up this particular feature. Maybe the AI is on "Amateur" and disregards all the basics, though, I guess...
 
Sorry guys, we can't have the game be too defensive or it could potentially cause issues with the FUT meta. If someone stacks 90+ cards it might be too hard to score against them.

And if there was any doubt this guy knows what he's talking about, he's got a request for more faces as his second priority item so he clearly knows what is important in a football game.

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staffan said:
Sorry guys, we can't have the game be too defensive or it could potentially cause issues with the FUT meta. If someone stacks 90+ cards it might be too hard to score against them.

And if there was any doubt this guy knows what he's talking about, he's got a request for more faces as his second priority item so he clearly knows what is important in a football game.

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And for dickheads like that, is why we get a game that is a turd.
 
bsmaff said:
And for dickheads like that, is why we get a game that is a turd.
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Nah, It's all on EA for not having different gameplay. There's absolutely nothing in common between a fantasy competitive card collecting pay to win mode, and an offline career mode based on the real thing.

I blame the idiot at EA who decided career mode needed "competitive mode" FUT AI more than any random fut player who doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
 
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The call for evidence and supposed potential regulation of loot boxes from the UK government has gone completely silent for months. Conveniently allowing another iteration of the main culprit franchise to release scot-free...

That's about our only hope to bring some change to the direction the series is going and seems to have fizzled out.
 
Ameppe said:
People don't buy it because they are convinced it's better, actually many know the game is worsening. People buy it because it's the only way to play FUT.

IF EA decided one day to have FUT as a separate paid mode and paid Fifa game nobody will buy Fifa anymore, everyone would just buy FUT.
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I'm curious as I haven't tried before, But do they switch the server off for the previous year as soon as the new game comes out? If not, how long do they leave them on for? Can you still play FIFA 20 Online for example if you had a boss team in FUT and didn't want to have to let it go for the sake of a new numbered title?

To your second point, i'm surprised they haven't gone the free to play route though like Call of Duty, PES and Fortnite etc, I'm sure EA will adapt one day and make it such. You could argue they probably don't even need to charge for the base game anymore and they'll rake it in arguable make even more money because of enticing new potential FUT customers.

But the base game sales are pretty much guaranteed every year why the fuck not charge £50 for it every year on top of FUT packs.
Chris Davies said:
Bear in mind, it all starts with truth. The head of development tells the marketing team what they've genuinely been working on, and the marketing team comes up with the names for it all. Back then, and to this day.

So the stuff they mention will have had work done to it. Whether it's A) enough work that it warrants a huge title like "dynamic player collisions", or B) work this community would see as "good work" (i.e. realism) as opposed to "bad work" (i.e. wrecking gameplay for FUT fun), is something else.

Take the "new ball physics" as an example. I take this as a warning sign. It feels desperate to me that this gets a mention. It's a standard yearly tweak, being packaged as a new feature. But worse than that - the tweaks may be to make FUT more fun, rather than the football more realistic...

...but they won't tell you that, because the FUT guys won't be put off by reading "realism" (in-fact, it makes them feel like big grown-up boys playing a grown-up's game), and guys like us will think "oh wow, that sounds promising".
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That's true. It really is a bureaucratic circle jerk when it comes down to the science of the specific wording and what they can and can't say because of how it can and can't be misinterpreted
 
MafiaMurderBag said:
I'm curious as I haven't tried before, But do they switch the server off for the previous year as soon as the new game comes out? If not, how long do they leave them on for? Can you still play FIFA 20 Online for example if you had a boss team in FUT and didn't want to have to let it go for the sake of a new numbered title?
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The servers for FIFA 17 are still on, I can tell you that much. Only because I switched back to it the other day and had a message about "unlocking Alex Hunter content for FUT" (remember that guy?), and I was intrigued. So FUT still works there. Apparently 16's servers are up but not for Ultimate Team.

You could keep playing with your "boss team" for a really long time if you wanted to - the reality seems to be that people don't really care about having to start again, whether that's the grind, or whether that's paying $$$ for new cards. They just have to be playing the latest game.

I sort of get it - I get through one season of Football Manager a year and then immediately buy the next one, rather than continue any kind of legacy, because I see a new feature and go "oh damn, you can talk to players on their mobiles now". I don't know what those great new features are with FUT though.

Or maybe they have to buy the latest one because it's what all their friends do, and/or the players left playing the old game are veterans that you stand no chance against. That's a genuine reason why I can't play any game online.

FYI, PES's servers cut off much sooner. Currently just 2020 & 2021 is active.
 
MafiaMurderBag said:
To your second point, i'm surprised they haven't gone the free to play route though like Call of Duty, PES and Fortnite etc, I'm sure EA will adapt one day and make it such. You could argue they probably don't even need to charge for the base game anymore and they'll rake it in arguable make even more money because of enticing new potential FUT customers.
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That could potentially be a good thing.
Create a whole new F2P FUT FIFA.
(Like RGR2/GTA online)
And just update it constantly and let them be happy.
On the side - make proper Fifa Football game focused on other modes. With slightly different gameplay that actually resembles football.
One can dream..
 
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