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That is genius. Why didn't I think of that...
FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)
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nikolapfc89
P.F.C
But game is going offline after while.
You need to reconnect your profile online in game.
I am mad at me right now
You need to reconnect your profile online in game.
I am mad at me right now
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DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
Quick resume is just starting where you left off so it’s not connecting to ea servers
nikolapfc89
P.F.C
I know i have XSS.
And after you play other games, when i get back in FIFA i need to reconnect my profile with ea servers.
And after you play other games, when i get back in FIFA i need to reconnect my profile with ea servers.
DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
Hiding my gamer tag for obvious reasons 
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Sorry for OT, but is that a Lightsaber top-right corner? (over JAWS figure)
DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
Dr Force
Golden Boot Winner
Ooooh Star Wars….. my life!
me in costume. 😁
me in costume. 😁
DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
Love it mate
Hmm, I'm pretty sure you and I don't watch the same sport really, in what universe are CM's not supposed to cover in defense just because they weren't assigned DM roles? Even if a certain team plays attacking football that doesn't mean their CM's can just stand there watching the other team attack, waiting to get the ball to start a counter like in FIFA. That happens maybe a few times if they are losing, and intentionally focusing on counter-attacking play. But sure, believe what you want to believe if that makes you enjoy FIFA more.
Also, I am obviously not suggesting switching to CPU side when they are attacking lol, that's just ludicrous, I was talking about assigning DM roles their CM's at the start of the match.
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rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Fully agree on the CM/DM role ,even fw tracks back/pressure to a certain extent.
Game might be more open nowadays ,but not having cm playing defensively when attacked on?
I call bs on that ,or buy new glasses.
And for the last part ,on setting opponent's tactics before kickoff ,nope!
Bet there's some cheat having two accounts that could solve it.
The only fix is to edit all teams (in your league) to your liking ,not sure if that'll sort it 100% given that FIFA is FIFA
Rip-IssPesFifa
League 2
- 15 August 2021
The CPU ai is different to the user ai and they defend far better on higher levels so no need to do that.
If EA made the game pure stuffy anti football material and most that played it struggled to score or the ai struggled to score people would get bored. The hardcore would chip away but its a buisness its not to make the 5% happy.
As i say though in the beta dms with pacific instructions works wonders and what does it matter if they are called dms rather than cms?
We will never get the perfect game and everyones perfect game is different to the next guy. At least this Fifa is finally more than playable which is impressive at least and will give many a football game for 12 months to play as long as they dont mess it up from the beta
Ps 2 dms is your friend 😊
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Ok, so now it's not because football is more open these days, but it's because FIFA is not a sim... sigh, why are you pivoting on your original argument?
But if you want to go that way sure, it's definitely not a Sim. But it's not like they don't give the option in other games though... take Madden 22 for example, or even MLB The Show 22, for all their faults, they at least specifically ask if you want a simulation, casual or competitive experience when you first launch the game. Is that too much to ask?
Rip-IssPesFifa
League 2
- 15 August 2021
I doubt you find many Madden fans that think the sim mode is a sim.
Football is far more open these days thats not even up for debate im baffled if you think its not. 433 is running the show in every country. Even the Italians are all out attack and constant counters these days
Wish i could help you bro to play a stuffy football game but i cannot think of one most likely was one somewhere. Italia 90 on the megadrive? Amazing penalties in that game btw.
Maybe try efootball think that will be your game this year rather than Fifa if changing your cms to dms is a no no for you.
Football is far more open these days thats not even up for debate im baffled if you think its not. 433 is running the show in every country. Even the Italians are all out attack and constant counters these days
Wish i could help you bro to play a stuffy football game but i cannot think of one most likely was one somewhere. Italia 90 on the megadrive? Amazing penalties in that game btw.
Maybe try efootball think that will be your game this year rather than Fifa if changing your cms to dms is a no no for you.
No, you're right, Sim mode doesn't fix all the issues sure, but it's a far better compromise than default. And I would gladly have that option in FIFA too.
And no, I didn't say football isn't more open these days, don't strawman me like that, please. I'm simply saying that more open football doesn't justify the poor behavior we're seeing from CM's in FIFA, defensively.
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Rip-IssPesFifa
League 2
- 15 August 2021
Man your really keeping this going im only trying to help you. Why would it kill you to change them to DMs?
Also i forgot Sociable Soccer is out very soon in the next year. Always worth a try but i reckon thats more on the side of fun like most football games and its predecessor Sensi but defo check out Italia 90 and Kick Off 2 might scratch an itch for you as well. Other than that everything from Microprose Soccer to Emlyn Huges was pretty open. Even Kick Off 2 was open but it could be difficult to score especially compared to Sensi.
Your prob not a PES fan so that would normally rule out efootball but its gotta be worth a shot as well. Hope you find what your looking for bro. 👍🏻
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Well, it's not like you're abstaining from the conversation either. Anyway, I've already answered that question, I don't mind doing that if only I could switch to the CPU team at the start of each match in Career Mode and change their CM's too, not just my own... but apparently that is not possible.
And yes, I am a PES fan surprisingly. I still play 21 with lots mods and it plays beautifully to me.
I was just hoping we could improve on that?
But I get it, I am not the target audience, so I guess I'll be stuck with PES21 or, fingers crossed, a decent eFootball.
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Rip-IssPesFifa
League 2
- 15 August 2021
Ive said already the cpu defenders ai are a much higer standard than user ai so no need to change to cpu.
PES 21 is very good but your clearly looking for something else and i dont think Fifa is it from the beta. I honestly thought it was good coming from PES 21 but if changing cms to dms is going to ruin your game id honestly save yourself 70 quid as Fifa is way to much of a risk while efootball is free. Also no harm in trying other games like those suggested. Hopefully you find something bro or stick with PES 21. Peace ✌️
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Sorry but i strongly disagree , not about SIM/ARCADE,( it's up to your taste) but about your modern football point of view.
As i grew up watching a lot "modern" football, the constant cliche i remember, and that annoyed me was that football is becoming more and more physical and fitnees, so more space is covered, so less free filed for technicall players and intelligent plays to take place.
Even if today i do not want asmuch football as 10 years ago, i still watch 1 or 2 matches per week. My "problem" is still the same. Almost every team plays, 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 which in defense become 4-4-1-1, with 4 in defense line and the midfielders create a second zone of 4 people, resulting in two packed very narrow zones in the edge of the penalty box. Ok this can vary depenging if the defense was set or caught in transition after a counter attack, but it is very often.
In this specific topic, as last week i saw almost all CL, EL , CL matches highligghts and the full games of Brugge-PSG, Liverpool-Milan, and the greek teams games Olympiakos, PAOK. What i saw in all games, were claustrophobic at least. Especially the Liverpool-Milan was so claustrophobic that i beame tired after a while.
So i picked some screenshots to show, to corroborate what i mean, and what i watched/watch.
THIS IS from BArcelona-Bayern
How the defense retreated the very next moment
This is PSG defending
AC MILAN defenging
What we can see is, that top teams, that are creme-de-la-creme and you would expect to have more players snobbing defense part, are constantly defending with 8 or 9 players. Brugge which was the underdog against PSG, was mostly defending with 6 players, the 4 DFs and 2 MFs. After they conceded the 1st goal , they started being more focused, defending with more than 6 players.
I want to conclude, whenever i have time to watch some big matches on TV, it is always this similar picture, 7 or 8 or 9 people crowding the penalty box.
manmachine
Premier League
- 22 June 2008
End to end football is wonderful, we don't hate it.
The main difference is having end to end football as a natural organic thing VS because the AI is a bunch of badly coded idiots.
In older games: Commit too many players pressing or when attacking, make a mistake and lose possession in a bad spot and the game can naturally and organically transition into an exciting end to end sequence.
In recent games: It's the default state because the AI are useless morons defensively & there's no longer a midfield. It's so mindless I could fall asleep going box to box rather than think "oh this is exciting!".
How you get end to end football is everything. It can be the result of playing football or the result of a crap game designed for FUT kids. Older games are also full of fast counter attacking end to end moments.
The main difference is having end to end football as a natural organic thing VS because the AI is a bunch of badly coded idiots.
In older games: Commit too many players pressing or when attacking, make a mistake and lose possession in a bad spot and the game can naturally and organically transition into an exciting end to end sequence.
In recent games: It's the default state because the AI are useless morons defensively & there's no longer a midfield. It's so mindless I could fall asleep going box to box rather than think "oh this is exciting!".
How you get end to end football is everything. It can be the result of playing football or the result of a crap game designed for FUT kids. Older games are also full of fast counter attacking end to end moments.
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Rip-IssPesFifa
League 2
- 15 August 2021
Picking
You think football has not got more offensive than back then who im i to argue we all see the beautiful game in different ways.
Forza Italia though what a show take me back. God bless Gazza the greatest ever British player. Watp. Sundays have never been the same. What a ledge James was he knew nothinv about football before taking the gig. Winged it every week, 😅
Still as good as it was back then i much prefer the all out attack and 4 4 3s we see today. Much more entertaining and dont kid yaself midfielders cram the box every attack haha, and dont even get me started on the Germans rather than the tallies or brits who are even more attacking.
You also need to remember Fifa is a 10 minute game (12 for me but most 10) so the games we play is basically highlights you know all the fun stuff rather than 5 mins of throw ins on the edge of the box getting slightly closer or 10 mins of possession while going no where? Again the masses would get bored of that or even 90 mins of parking the bus. Again 95% of gamers would hate 90 mins a game and it being as much as a sim as poss.
Maybe someone can help those out that want 11 men behind the ball. What game has done it in the past 40 years? Ive played them all and while my memories are shit now i honestly dont know what games yous have played in the past to think Fifa the pick up and play football game will replicate that? Can someone help these poor guys out? As Fifa is never going to be that game. eFootball might be who knows but i get the feeling people will just moan no matter what. Thank god you guys were not about for ISS and PES 1 to 6 as you would of dropped them like a hot potatos due to them being unplayable for that first 2 weeks. Back then we just got on with it a made it work you just got used to it. Something we will never see again with todays gamers who will scream blue murder if you need to change a cm to dm to see him defend a bit more.
Such a long post but as a say at least Fifa is now playable for a change absolutely no one seen that coming pre beta. Just have fun guys... Or buy a spectrum or megadrive and play the old school great games.
You have went to alot of trouble to show todays football is not as attacking as 90s football but you have handpicked photos. I could hand pick photos wirh no midfield in sight. I grew up watching channel 4 Football Italia and loved how defensive it was but its so far away from that in Italy now its unreal not even in the same ball park.
You think football has not got more offensive than back then who im i to argue we all see the beautiful game in different ways.
Forza Italia though what a show take me back. God bless Gazza the greatest ever British player. Watp. Sundays have never been the same. What a ledge James was he knew nothinv about football before taking the gig. Winged it every week, 😅
Still as good as it was back then i much prefer the all out attack and 4 4 3s we see today. Much more entertaining and dont kid yaself midfielders cram the box every attack haha, and dont even get me started on the Germans rather than the tallies or brits who are even more attacking.
You also need to remember Fifa is a 10 minute game (12 for me but most 10) so the games we play is basically highlights you know all the fun stuff rather than 5 mins of throw ins on the edge of the box getting slightly closer or 10 mins of possession while going no where? Again the masses would get bored of that or even 90 mins of parking the bus. Again 95% of gamers would hate 90 mins a game and it being as much as a sim as poss.
Maybe someone can help those out that want 11 men behind the ball. What game has done it in the past 40 years? Ive played them all and while my memories are shit now i honestly dont know what games yous have played in the past to think Fifa the pick up and play football game will replicate that? Can someone help these poor guys out? As Fifa is never going to be that game. eFootball might be who knows but i get the feeling people will just moan no matter what. Thank god you guys were not about for ISS and PES 1 to 6 as you would of dropped them like a hot potatos due to them being unplayable for that first 2 weeks. Back then we just got on with it a made it work you just got used to it. Something we will never see again with todays gamers who will scream blue murder if you need to change a cm to dm to see him defend a bit more.
Such a long post but as a say at least Fifa is now playable for a change absolutely no one seen that coming pre beta. Just have fun guys... Or buy a spectrum or megadrive and play the old school great games.
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slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Just to save you time, i did not cherry-pick biased snaps, if that's what you mean.
I just show the first set-defense plays i found. As i was in a hurry. It took me more time to draw in MSPaint, then find what i wanted.
And i didn't say that every game is like this. Of course there are games without midfield, even in those matches, in BRugge - PSG especially, there were a lot box to box attacks, that resultes in goal chance.
What i meam is, in today's football, when a team defends organized, under normal circumstances, not when caught in transition or when been counter attacked, especially after Mourinhos reign in the mid 00's, it is the CF waiting away for the sprint, another MF a little bit more close to the penalty box and the rest 8 players are defending the space.
Of course when it goes box-to-box, run&gun, or when the attacking team is making a miss pass and becomes the defending team, it is natural that not all midfielders are fast enough, or have stamina enough, to close back to defense.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
@Rip-IssPesFifa just to make things clear, i just post how i see modern football, i dont rate it now, if i like it or not, just say it is not static as it was at 60s or 70s.
As for FIFA, thats why i said sim/arcade your taste, cause I don't play FIFA 21 & 22 so i dont contribute on that part. Just in the part about football.
As for the ISS, PES part, i don't t get exactly what you said, but i was born in 1986. Didn't play the Amiga/Spectrum games you mentioned, but i started from 1994 with SuperSoccer, then FIFA INTERNATIONAL, ISS snes, figa 95 on mega drive, and almost every Footy game until today.
And in PES related forums i take part in discussions since December of 2004 (except EvoWeb). I mean, maybe i am not as old as you think/mean, but i didn't land with a parachute yesterday, ive lived a lot of the evolution of footy gamed series
As for FIFA, thats why i said sim/arcade your taste, cause I don't play FIFA 21 & 22 so i dont contribute on that part. Just in the part about football.
As for the ISS, PES part, i don't t get exactly what you said, but i was born in 1986. Didn't play the Amiga/Spectrum games you mentioned, but i started from 1994 with SuperSoccer, then FIFA INTERNATIONAL, ISS snes, figa 95 on mega drive, and almost every Footy game until today.
And in PES related forums i take part in discussions since December of 2004 (except EvoWeb). I mean, maybe i am not as old as you think/mean, but i didn't land with a parachute yesterday, ive lived a lot of the evolution of footy gamed series
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FFS I dont know if you are trolling now or are you serious here, but you are starting to piss me off.
What's so hard to understand that people want basic football logic in their game?? That defense should be supported by midfield if required??
"11 men behind the ball" - give me a fucking break!
Same people that are giving out about midfield not supporting defense were giving out about Pes All Out Defense, when after losing position - whole team was immediately retreating back to penalty area, leaving huge gap, without applying any pressure in midfield.
So no, we dont want 11 men behind the ball. We want a proper AI, where areas of the pitch are covered properly and midfield/defense/offense are supporting each other.
Mathgamer
Premier League
- 11 April 2016
