I think you are right it is outdated - I myself don't like the look at it and have gone with PES again this year (2nd year since 2008). However to think that this won't sell and it is "toast" just isn't the case. Firstly it as all the licenses, it does an acceptable job at representing football, it has loads of modes, online works - it appeals to the market its aimed at. The second reason is that Konami really don't help themselves. Licenses aside, they release a great BETA, probably one of the best football games ive ever played including ISS 1 - PES 2006 and then for the demo, as good as it looks, release a really mixed bag. No fouls, bad positioning. It could have been amazing but its somewhat spoilt the experience. Now I know that I can put in kits, and edit the formations to address some of the issues but my time is precious having a family. I will find the time to do it but how many will that put off.