DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
How do you push the ball forward far like the AI does? I know right stick does it but it doesn't go as far
FIFA 16 News & Discussion Thread
- Thread starter MUFan23
- Start date
Completely agree with you about tactical defense, it's just another EA attempt to make the game "looks" realistic but done wrongly. Basically to defend in Fifa we just watch the AI pass around until he misses a pass or shot on goal, it looks more like a basketball match than football. The only way i can play is increasing AI pass error so it can make more mistakes and i can have some ball possession, and it's been that way since they implemented tactical defense.
For me they should make a new defense system hybrid between tactical and legacy, where we would be able to contain when it was necessary, pressure when necessary, stand tackle when necessary, call cpu pressure when necessary or call cpu contain when necessary. Actually the best defense system from any football game ever done was the one in PES 2013, it was very close to this hybrid that i just explained.
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double or triple tap the stick in the direction you want to push the ball.
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
My biggest problems so far, and these have already been said, are...
A) Defending, especially online. Using the pressure button is a hindrance more than a help, because it puts my player a distance away that I can never successfully tackle from. It's infuriating when you're holding on to a 0-0 somehow and then in the 80th minute your defender dances AROUND the ball-carrier and lets him score, when in reality there's no way a professional defender would dance around that invisible circle around the opponent.
I'm more disappointed about that because of all the PR stuff that bragged about the much-improved defending first and foremost.
B) No daisy-cutters. I've seen lowish shots from using the "fancy pass/shot" button, but not ground shots.
C) I'm seeing lots of goals from outside the box, finesse shots into the corner, when playing online. It's weird to me that goalkeepers are unbeatable in certain circumstances (e.g. one-on-one) but then finesse shots fly in from miles outside the box.
D) This is very much a personal one that I don't expect anyone to agree with, but... I wish they'd just do away with the tricks (and of course, that will never happen). It not only looks ridiculous when every player is doing a rabona (or a Ribena as my phone wanted to autocorrect it to), but it's frustrating as hell to see the overwhelming advantage it gives people who've learnt how to twiddle a stick 45 degrees left, then 72 degrees right, then hop on one leg and shout "RONALDOLEGS".
One of the reasons I still play PES occasionally is the lack of that (which, funnily enough, is a byproduct of the button lag)...
That's about the sum of it, really.
I agree with the "it's 90% there" comment - I'd probably go further, it's a technical wonder in certain circumstances and one of the best sports games I've ever played (not including the 2K NBA games which I haven't played, but I'm tempted after the reviews of the latest one).
I agree with A and B, less so with C and D.
Everything's already been said about defending, the "tactical" system sucks. It was always a less than ideal system from the start. But I'm surprised that you say "especially online" because in my experience the defensive system works far better online than offline, mainly because online people play more aggressive with less patience so you're not seeing them pass it around effortlessly like you do with the CPU. And people are more mistake prone than the CPU. Regardless, the system sucks and I couldn't agree more - it's absolutely infuriating seeing your defenders dance around the goddamn ball rather than stick a darn boot in for an easy tackle.
I don't get the lack of hard low shots. They were there last year, no? Also, I do understand why some people think the shooting physics feel a little off, or floaty at times. Sometimes the velocity on the ball doesn't seem quite right to me, sometimes not quite matching the animation and user input. I love how context and stat based shooting is this year, but something feels a little off to me nonetheless, including the lack of daisy cutters.
For C, I'm not seeing many long distance goals, or at least nothing disproportionate and out of the ordinary. Not saying you're wrong necessarily, but I haven't yet noticed an issue. Or at least, I don't see it being any easier than last year, but maybe the difference is that it's just much harder to score from - or create a chance really - inside the box. It is curious though how goalkeepers seem amazing in short situations and one-on-ones but not as good with long distance shots?
About tricks, I love me some flair. I suck at it, and more often than not am unsuccessful using tricks, but I enjoy a good trick or two. It drives me nuts when people do them nonstop, and sometimes they feel overpowered relative to the defensive mechanics, but I think for the most part they're pretty well balanced. People make a big deal about how online is a trickfest but it really isn't, at least not in Seasons. And the guys who spam tricks are actually easier to defend against than those who use them sparingly in smart moments. But I do think PES does flair and tricks with more elegance, and I'd like to see more variety in FIFA's trick animations; they feel too canned for me.
My biggest gripe at the moment is that I'm just sick of playing Real Madrid in Seasons. I don't blame people for choosing them - playing as Ronaldo and Bale still is a huge advantage - but I'd love EA to implement something that provides incentive to choose other teams. They've done something with FUT Draft to mix up FUT, now something similar is needed for Seasons.
goldfinger35
League 1
- 22 October 2005
Really? So for online matches the game auto-switches to tactical? That explains me underachieving in (handful) of online matches I have played.
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
Yeah, it's been like this ever since they introduced tactical defending.
As has been said, tactical defending was introduced specifically to limit pressure abuse online, even though the real problem at the time wasn't the pressure per se as much as it was the super unlreastic player movement physics, overpowered auto tackle animations, and poor ability to protect possession.
But yeah, legacy defending is only for offline.
Use the line sliders to create more midfield space, and to open up the game and make it more "fun" as you say. Adjust them to push the CPU forward leaving more space in the CPU half for open play. I actually do the opposite, I like to create a more defensive CPU positioning, although this year they're like a wall of defenders and I have to admit I may have met my match, can't get shots!
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jaygrim
TheAllSeeingEye
I'm not sure I'm enjoying it or not. Seems to me the computer cheats me all the time, you can get the ball off them with them constantly passing between defense. With me as Man Utd and getting outplayed by Shrewsbury until they score and they start playing shit again, get a equalizer and it's back to super team again.
"Seems"? This is the way FIFA has been programmed for a decade now lol. You described the CPU boost AI perfectly.
Right now I'm back to using User and CPU 50h/50l/50w. I started with my usual FIFA sliders CPU 20/45/50 to force the CPU back and play more defense. But they seem to do that by default in FIFA 16.
You're all over the map, I just read your post about liking the FIFA 16 demo but not the full game. So he can't have issues with it as well without people posting snarky remarks.
It wasn't a snarky remark (whatever that is). If you don't have time to master FIFA play Pes. It's end to end easier game
D) This is very much a personal one that I don't expect anyone to agree with, but... I wish they'd just do away with the tricks (and of course, that will never happen). It not only looks ridiculous when every player is doing a rabona (or a Ribena as my phone wanted to autocorrect it to
One of the reasons I still play PES occasionally is the lack of that (which, funnily enough, is a byproduct of the button lag)...
I fully agree, and think that many more people will agree. It's one of the things i loved about PES, no tricks. Although PES has added a few since then.
Wish they would take it out as well, but it will never ever happen.
Too many kids out there who are very good at these tricks.
Me, i can't pull one off to save my life.
I even tried the body feint, looked like a moron as i faked my body left and right, and the defender just stepped in and took the ball.
I swear i could hear him laugh
Oh that's what you meant, okay got it.
Use the line sliders to create more midfield space, and to open up the game and make it more "fun" as you say. Adjust them to push the CPU forward leaving more space in the CPU half for open play. I actually do the opposite, I like to create a more defensive CPU positioning, although this year they're like a wall of defenders and I have to admit I may have met my match, can't get shots!
Thanks for the tip, will certainly give it a try.
Sorry, should have mutliquoted.
Just played a friendly, me Brasil vs Argentina on pro.
Wow, i got my ass handed, lost 4-1.
Never had a chance. I actually like it. It was fast paced even though i play on slow.
Argentina had very very good defense.
Even though i lost it felt great.
I'm not giving up yet
Just played a friendly, me Brasil vs Argentina on pro.
Wow, i got my ass handed, lost 4-1.
Never had a chance. I actually like it. It was fast paced even though i play on slow.
Argentina had very very good defense.
Even though i lost it felt great.
I'm not giving up yet
goldfinger35
League 1
- 22 October 2005
Keep modifying sliders and or difficulty and you will probably find the right setting for you. That is something I like in fifa; it is customizable (to an excent).
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
Have you tried using the new fifa trainer feature? I've heard a couple people say it helped them a bit get over some initial frustrations.
Bendit
Champions League
- 12 November 2005
- UEFA CL
In FIFA 15 they were there too, but I only heard them in international matches, where they were the default commentary team. As you said, you couldn't select them yourself, as you could previously in FIFA 14.
In FIFA 16, I don't know, as I don't have the full game yet.
I don't believe you can select it, but they're there if you play an international match.
Good idea, i'll give that a go.
zeemeister
foxy engine
If there is one thing I want PES to unashamedly steal from FIFA it's the stadium lighting and that pitch with its effects.
Simply outstanding.
- Staff
- #3,238
You don't, honestly.
Winds me up how I can't see the ball when players run into the shadows.
I've always been a pes lover..the only FIFA games I've enjoyed was 08;09 and the 2010 world cup.....but this is amazing. ..the randomness of it captures what the ps2 pes was about ..winning the ball back from cpu is the only thing pissing me of.if ea can nail player and team individuality and player models,next year ...there will be no competition imo.
Konami might also want to steal the FIFA's skin textures, those waxy cadavers in PES are scary bad. Replay closeups are hide-your-kids horrifying.