DarthKebab
Fully Assisted Noob
- 11 May 2008
Thanks for that, will give it a try.
FIFA 12 Discussion Thread
- Thread starter danyjr
- Start date
really?
it is better than 80?
I had 100 but put to 80. I have not tried anything else.
I see nothing bad about 80 atm
But also what has to be taken into cosideration is user custom tactics, this also effects players runs big time!!!!
actually not only player fun frequcney. there is a slider specifically for full backs. Raise this and full backs play like wingers half the time.
Positioning: Fullback Positioning
Increases/decreases how far the teams fullbacks will push forward
I have it set at 60 and my user tactis quite attacking free form and often my full bakcs are scoring goals and getting in crosses
Cafu, roberto carlos brazil style.
I'm sill loving the game but playing on PC now..far better than console although I enjoyed it on that too. Some of the things I am still reading on here still annoy/confuse
If you are hopeless at defending then it doesn't matter if you play as Barcelona V Crewe you will probably loose - deal with it it doesn't make the game unrealistic it just proves how shit you are
AI does shoot from outside of the area on pro level, seen it loads of time
Still by far the best all round football game in full manual with a few slider tweaks and some of the PC mods are great
Hope EA increase the fouls although people have started working a patch for the pc version over at soccergaming i believe
If you are hopeless at defending then it doesn't matter if you play as Barcelona V Crewe you will probably loose - deal with it it doesn't make the game unrealistic it just proves how shit you are
AI does shoot from outside of the area on pro level, seen it loads of time
Still by far the best all round football game in full manual with a few slider tweaks and some of the PC mods are great
Hope EA increase the fouls although people have started working a patch for the pc version over at soccergaming i believe
Flaw3d Genius
Banned
Precision Dribbling??????
Seems as bad as everyother Fifa to me? After playing PES 2012 for a while with good dribbling playing Fifa 12 it seems the players cannot dribble at all unless you have Nani or Messi, normal players seem to have the turning circle of a roundabout.
Are we really at the stage where games want to hold buttons down to dribble in football games?
Seems as bad as everyother Fifa to me? After playing PES 2012 for a while with good dribbling playing Fifa 12 it seems the players cannot dribble at all unless you have Nani or Messi, normal players seem to have the turning circle of a roundabout.
Are we really at the stage where games want to hold buttons down to dribble in football games?
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Precision dribbling is fantastic, you use it by holding L1 (LT). It allows you to do tons of things, namely control the ball and turn away from a close marker in really tight spaces, allowing you to sidestep a challenge or find another player to pass to. I personally use it to change direction on the spot and spread the ball wide. It opens up that tiny bit of space.
Surely that's a good thing that you can only really beat players with Nani or Messi etc? People always berate FIFA for not having enough individuality yet this year IMO there is more than ever in this series. Dribbling is generally more simplistic now, you don't need any stupid trick moves etc. It's more realistic and works brilliantly. When carrying the ball with Messi for example all you need is a slight left or right of the L stick when the AI puts his foot out for a challenge, and his skills will do the rest, skipping past the trailing leg realistically.
But precision dribble can be used when timed correctly to do the same thing. It's basically just an ultra close control button, but you can use it to take the ball away from a challenge before digging it back out from under your feet, kinda like Messi does. It works far better with those blessed with skilful abilities, as it should.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Actually seeing as I'm praising the game, I've reset almost all sliders back to their defaults, bar run frequency (60/60), pass error (60/60) and injury sliders, have increased it to World Class, and had the best experience with AI that I've ever had with a game. I've been doing a tournament with Arsenal, and played Lille. Lille dominated me, I drew the game but the final stats were remarkable for an AI.
It finished 1-1, I had six shots on goal, Lille had 17, and I only finished with around 41% possession. Never seen that in a game before. The AI spent the match probing with passes, keeping the ball, it was fantastic. Never once did I get the feeling with previous FIFA's, or PES for that matter, that the AI was out-muscling and out running you physically. I struggled to get the ball off them due to their short passing style.
I'm really enjoying learning the L2 (LB) button for headers and volleys. It's the basic slow dribble button, but can be used to pull off volleys, scissor kicks and all sorts of different headers depending on where the ball lands for your player (and who the player is).
In this vid, Van Persie scores an 'LB' header which I loved, then Hazard scores what I think is a great goal by the CPU. Good passing move, using an extra man over, then he does a brilliant bit of skill to beat me and plants it in the corner.
Funnily enough, I should have lost due to an own goal but as you see at the end of the video, Gibbs' miscontrol, I think, goes over the line and it didn't stand!
YouTube - Arsenal Vs Lille
It finished 1-1, I had six shots on goal, Lille had 17, and I only finished with around 41% possession. Never seen that in a game before. The AI spent the match probing with passes, keeping the ball, it was fantastic. Never once did I get the feeling with previous FIFA's, or PES for that matter, that the AI was out-muscling and out running you physically. I struggled to get the ball off them due to their short passing style.
I'm really enjoying learning the L2 (LB) button for headers and volleys. It's the basic slow dribble button, but can be used to pull off volleys, scissor kicks and all sorts of different headers depending on where the ball lands for your player (and who the player is).
In this vid, Van Persie scores an 'LB' header which I loved, then Hazard scores what I think is a great goal by the CPU. Good passing move, using an extra man over, then he does a brilliant bit of skill to beat me and plants it in the corner.
Funnily enough, I should have lost due to an own goal but as you see at the end of the video, Gibbs' miscontrol, I think, goes over the line and it didn't stand!
YouTube - Arsenal Vs Lille
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Flaw3d Genius
Banned
I think that's a terrible thing tbh, your not telling me in the real world the only players that can beat players or step away from players are the best in the world like Messi or Nani???
Playing any PES you can beat one or two players with a player like Jack Wilshire or Darren Bent or at the very least turn into a bit of space to get a shot away this doesnt happen in Fifa due to the defender always getting the ball if your close to him unless your a kid and have learned every trick in the manual.
I will admit dribbling online is quite easy due to how hard it is for people to defend now but that's not enough for me i want to be able to dribble offline as well.
andythom77
"He deserves a kicking"
I've done exactly the same, I messed with the sliders quite a bit, but i found that it kinda made each game a bit similar, so I decided to reset them and just alter a couple (pass error, injury sliders etc) and now each game feels a lot more varied.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Well I didn't mean to sound like they're the only players able to beat a man, because they're not. Playing as Newcastle in my Career Mode, I have several players capable of beating a man, just not as effectively. You can dribble with a lot of players IMO, but the effectiveness is reduced just as in PES. One player may be able to dribble past one defender, but then will often get crowded out, whereas a world class player might be able to go past several due to their ball control being that tiny bit better, their speed and balance etc all being better too.
People may call me mad but apart from the first touch control (where this isn't enough of a difference from player to player), I think FIFA is very individual this year. I tried a long 60 yard crossfield pass with Wilshere last night, went near bang onto the foot of his target. I later tried the exact same thing with Vermaelen and it skewed horribly off to the side and went behind his target for a throw in. That's with pass error adjusted of course.
There are several things I've learned to make space to be able to dribble, or even turn on the ball. First, is of course precision dribble. It really is your friend. Like first touches, I think EA have a way to go to make this more individual, I think technically gifted players should be much more effective at this (or in fact only make it available for those with high technique).
The other, is when you pass to a guy who you want to then turn on the ball and switch the play, or turn to face his marker and dribble, is once you pass the ball, the cursor switches immediately to the pass recipient. You can then make him manually move towards the pass, preventing the AI from cutting it out and also closing you down. You'll only go and meet the ball by a few strides usually, but you'll often have more time to turn on the ball and do something with it.
So there are ways and means of doing it, the game just takes practice. I personally love how it's done away with needing tricks, and this is the most in depth FIFA I've yet played.
Flaw3d Genius
Banned
I must be doing something wrong as i just cannot dribble in Fifa at all even with Messi and co (online excluded) yet with PES i have no issue's at all?
Any tips? Do i really need to be holding buttons down to dribble?
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Yeah it does seem better keeping most settings as they come out of the box, the complaints about a lack of AI shooting from outside the box is baffling to me because I see it all the time, and they're not always perfect either which is nice to see. Saw some AI guy try a shot from about 35 yards last night, while off balance and rushing the shot, and it went off for a throw in!
For me the AI seems better at keeping the ball on more default settings too. Of the games last night, one game saw me have only around 41% of the ball, whereas the others saw me win out on possession only by 51%, so that's pretty even.
In terms of the AI being patient, playing the ball backwards, and not using any cheap tricks, for me FIFA is streets ahead of PES this year. Which is really odd because it's always been the other way around. I really don't know what EA did to the AI this year, but I've never seen it in PES or any other FIFA game before where playing away to a top European side sees you manfully trying to cut out passing lanes in an effort to break down the AI playing patient keep ball.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I only use the precision dribble on occasion if an AI player sticks his leg out, other than that it's all down to timing and just using the direction L stick. Nothing more. Try to keep an idea, like in PES, that you need to keep yourself between the defender and the ball as much as possible. Turning away from a defender can often beat them. Also remember that how hard you move the direction stick, or how hard you use the sprint button, also affects the speed at which the player moves. Mixing that up works too. But it's really down to timing. If you're dribbling at a defender, you know at some point he'll stick his foot out (our version of using the x/square button to do a tackle). If you time it right you can change direction to the side of the tackle and he'll skip right over the challenge.
And I personally never use the '360 dribble' where you use both shoulder buttons at the same time. There's no need for it.
Aside from that, I sometimes use the odd little trick, nothing extravagent because I like things to be as realistic as possible. Maybe try using a step over using L2 + the right stick, or the knock on with the right stick (just flick the right stick in the direction you're running - no need for L2 with this one) as a challenge comes in
Flaw3d Genius
Banned
I only use the precision dribble on occasion if an AI player sticks his leg out, other than that it's all down to timing and just using the direction L stick. Nothing more. Try to keep an idea, like in PES, that you need to keep yourself between the defender and the ball as much as possible. Turning away from a defender can often beat them. Also remember that how hard you move the direction stick, or how hard you use the sprint button, also affects the speed at which the player moves. Mixing that up works too. But it's really down to timing. If you're dribbling at a defender, you know at some point he'll stick his foot out (our version of using the x/square button to do a tackle). If you time it right you can change direction to the side of the tackle and he'll skip right over the challenge.
And I personally never use the '360 dribble' where you use both shoulder buttons at the same time. There's no need for it.
Aside from that, I sometimes use the odd little trick, nothing extravagent because I like things to be as realistic as possible. Maybe try using a step over using L2 + the right stick, or the knock on with the right stick (just flick the right stick in the direction you're running - no need for L2 with this one) as a challenge comes in
What camera view are you using?
edit: Went back to Tele Broadcast cam and put the game speed to fast but zoomed all the way out and put the height up full bar one so the game doesnt feel fast and it feels very similar to PES 2012 on 0 speed and WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! The game now feels responsive and players are doing what i want them to when i want, dribbling is so much better!
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Flaw3d Genius
Banned
After not being able to dribble at all i now think this is as good as PES 2012 for dribbling but only on the fast speed for responsiveness.
I said before Wilshire cannot dribble like he does on PES, here's a vid of first Wilshire, Then Rooney and Bent getting away from a CB to put a ball through. This is not an impressive video but remember i couldnt dribble at all before today.
YouTube - Fifa 2012 Dribbling
The game has totally changed for me, going to have to mess about with the sliders to slow the game down a little now which i hope does not affect the response times.
I said before Wilshire cannot dribble like he does on PES, here's a vid of first Wilshire, Then Rooney and Bent getting away from a CB to put a ball through. This is not an impressive video but remember i couldnt dribble at all before today.
YouTube - Fifa 2012 Dribbling
The game has totally changed for me, going to have to mess about with the sliders to slow the game down a little now which i hope does not affect the response times.
I seem to do best on dymanic zoomed fully out. It gives me better close control due to the close up view and also and I can see shots and the goal better.
however it is bad for long range passes and knowing what is going on further up the picth
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I play on probably completely different to most people, broadcast with max zoom and lowest height. I also play on slow etc, but the core principles are basically the same regardless of game speed etc.
lancers
League 1
Seriously I am not seeing a lot of shots from the AI outside the box. I've played on Pro WC and Legendary well over 100 games 15 minutes.
They seem to want to walk it in. They will only cross when I force them out to the wing. I dunno.
They seem to want to walk it in. They will only cross when I force them out to the wing. I dunno.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
It is strange, and I do believe people when they say they don't see many long range shots. Maybe I'm just worse than most at closing down the CPU around my own penalty box and invite them to shoot more by accident.
lancers
League 1
Could be that I am so bad they just try to walk in on me. In that vein you never really know how bad you are until you play the game with manual shooting. Give it a shot.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Could be that I am so bad they just try to walk in on me. In that vein you never really know how bad you are until you play the game with manual shooting. Give it a shot.
If I tried using manual shooting the poor corner flag would take a battering!
jflores
Diegoooooooool!
I am enjoying Fifa12 so much. The game offers so much. Loving the graphics and animations. I've scored some beauties. Manual crossing is great. So is heading. The only downside is some of the player's faces like Neymar need changing. Anyone know if there is an option to download faces via the game?
Flaw3d Genius
Banned
After playing PES 2012 for two months it really shows EA's AI up in Fifa or should that be lack of AI, There is a reason why EVERYBODY constantly does 1-2's and that's because of lack of movement. EA really need to get to Konami's level of AI pre patch.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Could be that I am so bad they just try to walk in on me. In that vein you never really know how bad you are until you play the game with manual shooting. Give it a shot.
I've seen hardly any long shots from the CPU either. I've even tried standing off them in the hope that they will spank one from range but they'd rather try and walk it in.
lancers
League 1
You tried Legendary with the CPU slider up from the default setting? Since I did not buy PES this year although I did play both demos I cannot speak about the game but TBH I cannot handle the graphics and animations to say nothing about the commentary.
The AI will always try to get to the byline and cut it back for a tap in.
I played about 50 games of Fifa12 and never once conceded a goal from past the penalty spot.
Every team you play against attacks and feels the same.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I really, genuinely don't see this. I lost a game recently in my CM and two of the three goals were from outside the box. The third, from a close range finish.
In FIFA11 I used to get done over by the cross/header routine so many times I ended up selling the game because I couldn't defend against it, now I concede the odd header but generally don't see the AI try to get wide every time. It's odd, because in the FIFA12 demo, the CPU seemed obsessed with getting wide and putting crosses in.
In FIFA11 I used to get done over by the cross/header routine so many times I ended up selling the game because I couldn't defend against it, now I concede the odd header but generally don't see the AI try to get wide every time. It's odd, because in the FIFA12 demo, the CPU seemed obsessed with getting wide and putting crosses in.