StuartCulli
College Dropout
- 25 July 2006
- Newcastle United
Re: Fifa 11
Are they?!
Are they?!
Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3
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Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
Re: Fifa 11
Yes it's confirmed they are in with the option to turn them off...
I'm also sure they are not in online only offline...
Yes it's confirmed they are in with the option to turn them off...
I'm also sure they are not in online only offline...
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Re: Fifa 11
Yes offline only and they are off by default since they haven't included any AI for trying to avoid handballing and so on. You can choose to have fully on (including penalties) or only for freekicks.
Yes offline only and they are off by default since they haven't included any AI for trying to avoid handballing and so on. You can choose to have fully on (including penalties) or only for freekicks.
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Ԁlɐɔǝqo
Re: Fifa 11
I'll be having them fully on, can't wait to concede a soft handball penalty to the AI!
I'll be having them fully on, can't wait to concede a soft handball penalty to the AI!
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StuartCulli
College Dropout
- 25 July 2006
- Newcastle United
Re: Fifa 11
I. Did. Not. Know. That.
I. Did. Not. Know. That.
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Ԁlɐɔǝqo
Re: Fifa 11
I guess there's only 3 of us that actually read these previews then
I guess there's only 3 of us that actually read these previews then
StuartCulli
College Dropout
- 25 July 2006
- Newcastle United
Re: Fifa 11
Three of you without lives, you mean?
Three of you without lives, you mean?
Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
Re: Fifa 11
I guess there's only 3 of us that actually read these previews then
Three of you without lives, you mean?
TikTikTikTikTik
*****
- 7 August 2004
- Liverpool
Re: Fifa 11
That's really good. It's a shame we don't have a thomas that keeps everything up to date on the first page. Guess we will just have to repeatedly ask you miserable buggers.......
So is the pc version the same NG engine as the consoles?
That's really good. It's a shame we don't have a thomas that keeps everything up to date on the first page. Guess we will just have to repeatedly ask you miserable buggers.......
So is the pc version the same NG engine as the consoles?
Re: Fifa 11
Noone knows yet. The press conference for the PC version started almost 2 hours ago and nothing has leaked out yet. Rutter said news is coming today though on his Twitter feed.
Noone knows yet. The press conference for the PC version started almost 2 hours ago and nothing has leaked out yet. Rutter said news is coming today though on his Twitter feed.
Re: Fifa 11
Why no fucking handballs online!?!? EA are such cunts ffs. Handball is handball. It's a free kick or penalty. Whether you mean it or not.
Dusse
Banned
Re: Fifa 11
Um no
Actually, one could argue that illegal handball is not possible in FIFA. Handball is unnatural arm (or hand) movement and in theory that doesn't exist in FIFA..
Um no
Actually, one could argue that illegal handball is not possible in FIFA. Handball is unnatural arm (or hand) movement and in theory that doesn't exist in FIFA..
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
Re: Fifa 11
I don't want handball at all. I can't control it, and the players on the pitch don't move their hands away. It's just another thing for people to be enraged by when someone scores a goal.
That said I think it's only removed from ranked games, if at all. I might be wrong, I barely remember reading such a thing at all. Links anyone?
Might be worth finding out for yourself, as opposed to calling the devs cunts?
I don't want handball at all. I can't control it, and the players on the pitch don't move their hands away. It's just another thing for people to be enraged by when someone scores a goal.
That said I think it's only removed from ranked games, if at all. I might be wrong, I barely remember reading such a thing at all. Links anyone?
Might be worth finding out for yourself, as opposed to calling the devs cunts?
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Re: Fifa 11
Possible PC news:
http://www.ea.com/pl/news/fifa11-na-pc-krol-tez-bedzie-tylko-jeden
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Possible PC news:
http://www.ea.com/pl/news/fifa11-na-pc-krol-tez-bedzie-tylko-jeden
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Dusse
Banned
Re: Fifa 11
Hmm. Swedish EA says the game will be released September 30th here. Just one day but nice (well..for us living here) anyway.
http://www.electronicarts.se/news/71385/
Hmm. Swedish EA says the game will be released September 30th here. Just one day but nice (well..for us living here) anyway.
http://www.electronicarts.se/news/71385/
Re: Fifa 11
But it's part of football. It should be in. And they should add movements so the players do try and move their hands away from the ball.
I know for a fact they are cunts. They'll fuck loads of stuff up, they do every year.
Re: Fifa 11
This is a really interesting read about ball physics by Craig Johnston (former LFC Aussie Winger and creator of the Predator boot).
http://www.docshare.com/doc/223643/CJ-Mr-Blatter-Letter-re-Jabulani-Ball-July-20
An open letter to Sepp Blatter on the shite WC ball but the technical section at the foot of the letter should be read by any football game developers.
This is a really interesting read about ball physics by Craig Johnston (former LFC Aussie Winger and creator of the Predator boot).
http://www.docshare.com/doc/223643/CJ-Mr-Blatter-Letter-re-Jabulani-Ball-July-20
An open letter to Sepp Blatter on the shite WC ball but the technical section at the foot of the letter should be read by any football game developers.
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The_Knight
Champions League
- 13 December 2005
Re: PES 2011 Discussion thread
FIFA PC blows ass. Is there even a debate about that? Until they import the next-gen game (never gonna happen), I wouldn't consider getting it for a second.
Now, will anyone post those FirstPlay PES2011 magazine scans??
FIFA PC blows ass. Is there even a debate about that? Until they import the next-gen game (never gonna happen), I wouldn't consider getting it for a second.
Now, will anyone post those FirstPlay PES2011 magazine scans??
Re: PES 2011 Discussion thread
You may wanna read this...
Hopefully we'll finally have 2 good games on PC this year
You may wanna read this...
Hopefully we'll finally have 2 good games on PC this year
TanMak
League 1
Re: PES 2011 Discussion thread
A rumour that comes to roost ... Superb superb news, editable FIFA after quite a heinous
A rumour that comes to roost ... Superb superb news, editable FIFA after quite a heinous
Trance_Allstar
I love lamp
- 18 March 2006
Re: Fifa 11
As far as I know they already simulate most of the aspects of ball flight. One aspect which has yet to be implemented is simulating the changing drag patterns over the surface of a ball as it is in flight. This mainly affects balls that are not spinning at all. When the ball slowly rotates in the air (maybe just half or quarter a revolution for the entire flight path), the seams and other kinks on the outside of the ball will grab on to the air in an alternating fashion (first a seam on the left side might come into strong contact with the wind draft, which will raise the pressure on that side, forcing the ball to the right despite the ball not curling at all, and there can be several of these little shifts left, right, up or down).
It's not like this is something new to the Jabulani ball. Erratic movement has always been there for these types of shots (Juninho makes a living off it for his long freekicks to find their way past the goalkeeper despite the goalkeeper having plenty of time available to see the ball). Since the outer shell of the ball has almost no seams this might contribute to different behavior, though the 2006 World Cup Teamgeist ball was also completely glued together and had alot less seams that your standard 32-panel ball, and I don't really recall anyone making any complaints back then). Weight is also on the heavier side of FIFA standards, so it's not a plastic beachball in that sense.
The biggest difference from the WC2006 ball seems to be the tiny bumps and textures on the outside of the ball, which might make it more sensitive to the air that flows over it, possibly leading to a bit more fluctuations of the trajectory.
I also find the insinuation that the Jabulani ball somehow is responsible for the missed goals (*cough*England*cough*) a bit lame. At this point it seems fashionable to blame the ball, I constantly hear commentators and such in Sweden mentioning Jabulani whenever a goalkeeper has problems with a save, or a shot dips suddenly. Weight, Internal air pressure, size etc are no different from previous World Cups. The ball isn't going to "nervously jump from the boots of players" when they shoot, as if it compresses vastly differently from any other equally pressurized sphere of the same size and weight. If anything the very uniform panel design will ensure that the ball compresses very evenly, not folding around the panel ridges, which also seems to be the findings of the designers who themselves have done very controlled tests.
You could also make the case that even if the Jabulani ball is more "springy", so that it spends less time in contact with the boot (though as long as the balls are properly inflated the internal air pressure will allow basically the same level of compression for similar strikes), this will actually lead to a truer contact. If you've played with a ball which has lost some air pressure, shooting those kinds of balls usually means that the ball compresses further against the foot, and unless you strike it dead center, it has a higher tendency to roll off the side of the boot as it squishes against it, leading to balls that trail off to the sides.
Obviously my observations are armchair musings at best (I don't even have one to be honest
), but he has stated "trajectory" as one of the forces that determines the path of a ball. From Wikipedia: "A trajectory is the path a moving object follows through space as a function of time" (wherein the movement itself is determined by forces). So a trajectory is the result of forces imparted on an object, not a force in and of itself. Maybe just a typo but seems kind of hastily put together.
I seem to recall some institute recently did some comparative tests and found something, but I have yet to read it. Anyone got a link or read it and can comment?
As far as I know they already simulate most of the aspects of ball flight. One aspect which has yet to be implemented is simulating the changing drag patterns over the surface of a ball as it is in flight. This mainly affects balls that are not spinning at all. When the ball slowly rotates in the air (maybe just half or quarter a revolution for the entire flight path), the seams and other kinks on the outside of the ball will grab on to the air in an alternating fashion (first a seam on the left side might come into strong contact with the wind draft, which will raise the pressure on that side, forcing the ball to the right despite the ball not curling at all, and there can be several of these little shifts left, right, up or down).
It's not like this is something new to the Jabulani ball. Erratic movement has always been there for these types of shots (Juninho makes a living off it for his long freekicks to find their way past the goalkeeper despite the goalkeeper having plenty of time available to see the ball). Since the outer shell of the ball has almost no seams this might contribute to different behavior, though the 2006 World Cup Teamgeist ball was also completely glued together and had alot less seams that your standard 32-panel ball, and I don't really recall anyone making any complaints back then). Weight is also on the heavier side of FIFA standards, so it's not a plastic beachball in that sense.
The biggest difference from the WC2006 ball seems to be the tiny bumps and textures on the outside of the ball, which might make it more sensitive to the air that flows over it, possibly leading to a bit more fluctuations of the trajectory.
I also find the insinuation that the Jabulani ball somehow is responsible for the missed goals (*cough*England*cough*) a bit lame. At this point it seems fashionable to blame the ball, I constantly hear commentators and such in Sweden mentioning Jabulani whenever a goalkeeper has problems with a save, or a shot dips suddenly. Weight, Internal air pressure, size etc are no different from previous World Cups. The ball isn't going to "nervously jump from the boots of players" when they shoot, as if it compresses vastly differently from any other equally pressurized sphere of the same size and weight. If anything the very uniform panel design will ensure that the ball compresses very evenly, not folding around the panel ridges, which also seems to be the findings of the designers who themselves have done very controlled tests.
You could also make the case that even if the Jabulani ball is more "springy", so that it spends less time in contact with the boot (though as long as the balls are properly inflated the internal air pressure will allow basically the same level of compression for similar strikes), this will actually lead to a truer contact. If you've played with a ball which has lost some air pressure, shooting those kinds of balls usually means that the ball compresses further against the foot, and unless you strike it dead center, it has a higher tendency to roll off the side of the boot as it squishes against it, leading to balls that trail off to the sides.
Obviously my observations are armchair musings at best (I don't even have one to be honest
), but he has stated "trajectory" as one of the forces that determines the path of a ball. From Wikipedia: "A trajectory is the path a moving object follows through space as a function of time" (wherein the movement itself is determined by forces). So a trajectory is the result of forces imparted on an object, not a force in and of itself. Maybe just a typo but seems kind of hastily put together.I seem to recall some institute recently did some comparative tests and found something, but I have yet to read it. Anyone got a link or read it and can comment?
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romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
Re: Fifa 11
The "it's in real football therefor it should be in a football game" line is really tenuous. It should only be in the game if it works.
Ultimately EA will decide if it should stay in based on this year's game and people's feedback. I'm sure everyone else would agree that it'd be better to test the water with something as contentious as handbells and be called cunts by a handful of overly aggressive people than dive in headfirst, risking breaking the game for everyone and being called by everyone else as well as the overly aggressive people who didn't think it through.
Do you do after dinner speaking?
It's not about moving their hands away from the ball so much as moving their hands towards the ball. You have no control over that, nor can you realistically control that.
The "it's in real football therefor it should be in a football game" line is really tenuous. It should only be in the game if it works.
Ultimately EA will decide if it should stay in based on this year's game and people's feedback. I'm sure everyone else would agree that it'd be better to test the water with something as contentious as handbells and be called cunts by a handful of overly aggressive people than dive in headfirst, risking breaking the game for everyone and being called by everyone else as well as the overly aggressive people who didn't think it through.
Do you do after dinner speaking?
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Dusse
Banned
Re: Fifa 11
Oh, there were a lot then too.
http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/the-roundest-ball-the-biggest-headaches-for-world-cup-keepers.html
(just the first result of a quick google search). I remember talking about it with my fellow goalkeepers and goalkeeper coaches a lot too. It was a nightmare, particularly as we switched between playing with the real ball and the fake cheap one (that resembles older balls a lot more).
Oh, there were a lot then too.
http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/the-roundest-ball-the-biggest-headaches-for-world-cup-keepers.html
(just the first result of a quick google search). I remember talking about it with my fellow goalkeepers and goalkeeper coaches a lot too. It was a nightmare, particularly as we switched between playing with the real ball and the fake cheap one (that resembles older balls a lot more).
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
Re: Fifa 11
@Ball physics
[For FIFA 09 or so] EA got a contractor in specifically to develop a complex ball physics engine which is why the deflection system and 99% of the contacts with the ball are very convincing. The bit EA vary from that point is the numbers that are applied to the ball movement (amount of ball spin for example). The reason why the ball tends to float or curve too much is because the numbers are off, not the physics engine.
@Ball physics
[For FIFA 09 or so] EA got a contractor in specifically to develop a complex ball physics engine which is why the deflection system and 99% of the contacts with the ball are very convincing. The bit EA vary from that point is the numbers that are applied to the ball movement (amount of ball spin for example). The reason why the ball tends to float or curve too much is because the numbers are off, not the physics engine.
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