Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

mfmaxpower said:
You want proof the CPU AI in FIFA is utter trash?
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I've had a number of matches via the CPU in a Wigan career mode and I have to disagree completely, had some very enjoyable games against a number of teams with specific AI players standing out as different in how they play football, Malbranque for Sunderland was a very particular example, he ran the show for them until I made extra effort to stop him receiving the ball after a typical mazy dribble from him left 3 of my players in his wake before he crossed for Bent to head home from close range, as close to a real Sunderland goal as you can possibly see on a video game. There have already been many more examples of believable AI against me, not least against Villa where Ashley young was Ashley young, not least in his crossed assist for Carew to bulldoze his header home, I still won 3-2 but towards the end of the match Villa abandoned their pretty football and started lumping it forward, as you'd expect to see in real life...
 
@ Placebo and Max,

Have you guys checked the AI teams CT? I wondering with the constant attacking if they have the possesion setting generally low and if putting that on 100 will actually make the AI keep the ball some more. Just an idea to test out.....otherwise I'll be doing it tommorow anyway ;)
 
Erik said:
Obviously I can't say for certain you or anyone else is playing the game a different way to how I am. What I do know is that sprinting is gone as a useful tactic unless you use the knock on feature while running. This makes sense to me in that with the ball at your feet you will run slower or have worse ball control whereas if you knock it into space you can run more "free" so to speak.
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I agree although I think sprinting as a tactic in itself has been gone from the game since 10. It definitely wasn't an option in the WC game like it had been in the past.

The problem is it's now totally gimped and worse than the WC game, which already in my opinion overvalued size and strength at the expense of speed and skill. Sprinting shouldn't be an exploit but IRL speed is a massive advantage. And forget about sprinting with the ball - I've consistently been beaten to loose balls by CBs when I'm controlling guys like Lennon and Walcott.

In the previous versions of the game I would tend to sprint more often than not even when I would try my hardest to build up play. I tried that yesterday and got nowhere. I actually did have to build from the back and through the middle and up to my strikers. The animations and running off the ball are much better this year and I was able to build up some nice attacks. I just can't score...
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Ah, see, that's just it - I dominate passing stats and possession and pretty much the entire game... I just don't score like I'd expect when I'm in such control of matches. And if I drop below Legendary difficulty then the CPU never scores. I dominate almost every game and yet most of my games end in 0-0 draws - it just doesn't make sense.

I am currently playing on all assisted because I wanted to see how Pro Passing felt and I am having a hard time with it. I've found if you hit the power bar right at the marker it gives you your pass will zip and your player will control the incoming pass better. Anything harder or slower and your attack breaks down in a small way.
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Interesting. I agree there's a difference now with PP but scoring is pretty easy for me on assisted - it's only when I switch to manual that the goals dry up. I'm used to playing all manual passing so it may be that I'm just already used to having to weight passes. Good to know that there is a learning curve for some though.

I am seeing in this game, while not perfect to how we on this forum may want to see it, is a dev team that took the advice of people like us. Traits DO matter. I played as Liverpool and my team moved and passed well. I started a game as Huddersfield and balls are going out of bounds, shots are flying into the stands and the AI is even missing passes. I also see the AI doing more cross field low hard passes to an overlapping back and it screws up my defense.
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I agree, traits are influential but the problem I'm noticing is the devs obviously put in a lot of work making the EPL and top teams like Braca and Real Madrid have a more individual look to them, but once you start using less popular teams or teams in lower leagues, P+ is not nearly as evident. For example, I'm doing a CM with a lower tiered English team and not a single one of my players has a trait (not to mention they all have EA generic boots).

Also, the more I play the more I'm thinking P+ is more about how a player looks than how he actually plays - EA seem to have put more effort to making Man Utd and Liverpool look like themselves to making them play like the real thing. Maybe more time with the game will change my opinion but so far really disappointed with P+ outside of the top teams/players.

These are just my impressions after 3-4 hours of playing, but after the first day of FIFA 10 I hated it. Maybe this will go that way for me as well, but after trying PES last year for the first time since 6 and seeing how bad the competition was, I have nowhere else to go.
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Very true - the game may improve with time for me and I'm hoping it will. Those who have played the game before the patch say they don't like what the patch has done, so I might try to see if I can remove the patch.
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
@ Placebo and Max,

Have you guys checked the AI teams CT? I wondering with the constant attacking if they have the possesion setting generally low and if putting that on 100 will actually make the AI keep the ball some more. Just an idea to test out.....otherwise I'll be doing it tommorow anyway ;)
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There's a possession setting?

In FIFA10/WC, setting the Build-Up Speed to 1 would encourage them to play fewer forward passes.
 
Placebo said:
I've had a number of matches via the CPU in a Wigan career mode and I have to disagree completely, had some very enjoyable games against a number of teams with specific AI players standing out as different in how they play football, Malbranque for Sunderland was a very particular example, he ran the show for them until I made extra effort to stop him receiving the ball after a typical mazy dribble from him left 3 of my players in his wake before he crossed for Bent to head home from close range, as close to a real Sunderland goal as you can possibly see on a video game. There have already been many more examples of believable AI against me, not least against Villa where Ashley young was Ashley young, not least in his crossed assist for Carew to bulldoze his header home, I still won 3-2 but towards the end of the match Villa abandoned their pretty football and started lumping it forward, as you'd expect to see in real life...
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Have you played as a keeper yet? That's what I was referring to because then the outcome of the match is entirely dependent on the AI. Others are saying the same thing with BAP matches in other positions - if you aren't the one doing the scoring your team won't score.

I've always said that player AI seems much better with P+, at least at top teams and the EPL, but it's team AI that seems poor to me - lack of build up play, not valuing possession, few back passes, etc. Again, I agree that players like Ashley Young now look uncannily like the real thing and better mimic the playstyles of their real world counterparts, but it's team AI that I find so poor.

At first I wasn't so worried but now that I've basically mastered defending, which isn't rocket science, I'm not seeing any goals scored against me, at least none from what I'd call an impressive attack. I've had some headers off set-pieces and corner kicks; I've had some PKs, mostly from handballs; I've been lazy and had some goalkicks intercepted; and the rest have been the work of nice individual play.

So while Torres has completely embarrassed my CBs on more than one occasion, most if not all of the nicer goals scored against me have come from outstanding individual play and none from impressive teamwork - I have yet to feel like I've been outplayed by the CPU team.

I've dropped the difficulty level down because I wasn't scoring at all with manual controls on Legendary but I think I'll try to up it and play with semi to see if I notice a difference. It might be that I just need to get better at offense so I can up the difficulty or, I hate to say, give up on manual passing.
 
nerf said:
There's a possession setting?

In FIFA10/WC, setting the Build-Up Speed to 1 would encourage them to play fewer forward passes.
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No I haven't but it may be with some CT tweaking the game will play entirely different - I've already been noticing major differences in the amount of pressuring teams will do. Some teams like Anderlecht hound you like crazy with a couple players pressuring you immediately, while other teams like Villareal give you plenty of time on the ball.
 
Placebo - I've only stuck around on a ticker long enough to see the Utd ones really so I assumed it was based on who you supported.

The Clubs interface is very nice indeed. Shame the gameplay is still balls. Glen and I have been beside ourselves at the same old problems. One twos, pressuring, lack of depth to the game, the millimetre perfect physically unfeasible passes... Dunno if I have the strength to put myself through this, not until a patch that un-FIFA 10's everything.
 
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The live news ticker has to be removable.

In the previous ones you could choose what news you wanted to recieve, so American sports and football etc etc. You could untick the ones that you didn't want to see. There must be somewhere to choose?! if they have removed that option it is ridiculous.
 
I have noticed people trying to use the old ping pong moves online, and they are not effective anymore.. I have no many issues defending against those type players. And I use a 4 * team.
Is easier to beat the pressure, when the come pressuring with 2 or 3 vs your defense you have plenty room in midfield to build up.
Is easier to go around players just dribbling.
Also I have all my settings manual except passing on semi, and as of now I don't feel handicapped against assisted players online like previous yrs.

This game is quite different from fifa 10..
 
sneaky77 said:
I have noticed people trying to use the old ping pong moves online, and they are not effective anymore.. I have no many issues defending against those type players. And I use a 4 * team.
Is easier to beat the pressure, when the come pressuring with 2 or 3 vs your defense you have plenty room in midfield to build up.
Is easier to go around players just dribbling.
Also I have all my settings manual except passing on semi, and as of now I don't feel handicapped against assisted players online like previous yrs.

This game is quite different from fifa 10..
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My experience thus far is the exact opposite of what you've just described. Using manual passing, when 2-3 people rush you (which happens before your player can get the ball most times) it'll take either a ridiculous trick move, or a quick and unrealistic pass to get the ball to someone who is open. Even an attempted chipped lob deflects off of their face most of the time.

As far as getting around people by just dribbling...not a chance unless you do the silly wiggle the left analog stick left and right to somehow dribble between onrushing defenders (and that only works sometimes). I've done it a few times on accident but I don't often try it. A guy anticipating me turning left, and then me turning right and sprinting away, should be left in the dust. In this game he just catches up once I start running. I have a video of a battle between Gourcuff and Pique. Gourcuff shoves Pique off the ball and I'm on to goal and you can watch as he somehow sprints like a rocket to catch up to me. I scored still but he was all over my back by the time I got into the area. Puyol can be seen coming off screen like a madman as well catching up to Pique.

I mean, I could always give the "you must be seeing something I'm not" line, and I guess you are. But the midfield is a tacklefest and that's not coming from a place of "EA can't do anything right." It's just what I experience when playing. Against everyone. People try it and unless I ping the ball around with the new driven lob, or normal assisted passing, I'm getting knocked over. And playing that way isn't something that I really wanna do.

Another point about the 2-3 onrushing defenders thing. I never see that. You know why? Because individual defenders are so amazing that they can take care of you on their own by just homing in on you no matter where you run. They don't need to commit 2 players to you because Xavi can (and will) catch up to Ronaldo, and knock him off the ball. Seen it happen with my own eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I've been able to put together some nice moves against those who aren't particularly adept at the cheesing (like myself), but it hardly ever works out that way. I dominate possession, get near their 18, and I get smashed off the ball. 1st half ends 0-0, and then I get done in by some finesse shots in the second half. Just today my opponent had Schalke and I'm sitting in my penalty box watching the players that Huntelaar can pass to. He's not running to goal, he's no facing the goal, so I'm looking to who he can pass to. All of a sudden he taps the ball to the side and hits a finesse shot over Lloris' head, who was a foot off of his line (I didn't press anything) and I'm down 1-0 (finesse shots seem to be a quite abuseable (sp) in this game on assisted again).

Lot of exploits have either returned (did they ever leave) or still exist.
 
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BobbyBox said:
The live news ticker has to be removable.

In the previous ones you could choose what news you wanted to recieve, so American sports and football etc etc. You could untick the ones that you didn't want to see. There must be somewhere to choose?! if they have removed that option it is ridiculous.
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I've looked everywhere, over and over and over, if there's a setting I can't find it :(

Asked on Twitter but of course I was ignored :(

Placebo_obecalP

@EAUK_FIFA @ruttski @earom #Fifa11 Err how do I turn off the score ticker? It's already spoiled some scores of matches I haven't watched yet
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Placebo said:
I've looked everywhere, over and over and over, if there's a setting I can't find it :(

Asked on Twitter but of course I was ignored :(
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Googled it for Fifa 10 and a guy said it is in here?;

online game modes -> my fifa 10 online->online setings-> ticker options.

you said you have looked everywhere though, so you have probably checked.

Why do they remove stuff that doesn't need removing? just really annoying.
 
I haven't experienced the finesse thing yet but is annoying to hear is still broken ugh
As for the midfield tackle fest is easier to get passes intercepted and intercept them but I am able to pass the ball around and keep possession. But I don't seemto get pushed that often.
 
romagnoli said:
Placebo - I've only stuck around on a ticker long enough to see the Utd ones really so I assumed it was based on who you supported.

The Clubs interface is very nice indeed. Shame the gameplay is still balls. Glen and I have been beside ourselves at the same old problems. One twos, pressuring, lack of depth to the game, the millimetre perfect physically unfeasible passes... Dunno if I have the strength to put myself through this, not until a patch that un-FIFA 10's everything.
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Wow, is it just the same? it looked better from the demo on the first day it came out then I got distracted by PES turning up from the postie and have not played it since.

People on other forums are lapping it up but on here it seems very critical, can get it for free on Friday (Game reward points and a trade in) but just wondering if it is worth waiting, how long you played it for Rom for the ugly expolits to rear their heads?
 
Every year the same **** with defending. The easy pressure and defending by holding sprint and tackling button kills all the good gameplay. Just every noob can defend online like a pro. I mean if you holding these two buttons in PES6 oder PES2011 for example you gonna lose every game 10-0. The defending part in fifa11 is still made for casuals...what a shame. Biggest issue about the game and EA will not change it or they gonna lose many buttons holding casual noobs.
 
DarthKebab said:
Wow, is it just the same? it looked better from the demo on the first day it came out then I got distracted by PES turning up from the postie and have not played it since.

People on other forums are lapping it up but on here it seems very critical, can get it for free on Friday (Game reward points and a trade in) but just wondering if it is worth waiting, how long you played it for Rom for the ugly expolits to rear their heads?
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If you've got PES and are enjoying it, honestly I wouldn't bother. After playing FIFA 11 much of the afternoon I tried out the US version of the PES demo to see if/how it differed from the Euro demo. When I switched back to FIFA I felt... repulsed. PES may not be as smooth or flashy or nice looking but it is, based on the demo, so much more enjoyable. And it actually feels like football. (I was shocked how sluggish and unresponsive FIFA felt after playing the PES demo - FIFA in comparison feels like you're moving through water.)

I have no idea why but the vast majority of my FIFA matches (and I'm talking 95 percent, at least) play out almost exactly the same: I end up with about 60 percent of possession and both me and the CPU finish with somewhere near 90 percent passing accuracy, though if I'm playing all manual that might drop into the mid to high 80s for me.

Most importantly the majority of my games end in 0-0 draws, sometimes 1-1. I'm playing Legendary difficulty for the most part. In every match most of the game, like 80 percent at least, takes place between the half line and the CPU's penalty box. While I dominate the game and possession, once I reach the final third it's like a brick wall - "you shall not pass!"

I'm really trying to like FIFA - I feel like I'm shoving it down my own throat - but the best way I can describe this game is "unbalanced." From passing speed, tackling, dribbling, movement speed, offense vs defense, human control vs CPU, offense AI vs defense AI; manual vs assisted controls - everything is just out of whack. Maybe the difference is I'm playing offline, or maybe it's because I'm playing manual when this game is built for assisted, but I just don't get how people are enjoying FIFA 11.

Ugh, so frustrated.
 
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mfmaxpower said:
If you've got PES and are enjoying it, honestly I wouldn't bother. After playing FIFA 11 much of the afternoon I tried out the US version of the PES demo to see if/how it differed from the Euro demo. When I switched back to FIFA I felt... repulsed. PES may not be as smooth or flashy or nice looking but it is, based on the demo, so much more enjoyable. And it actually feels like football. (I was shocked how sluggish and unresponsive FIFA felt after playing the PES demo - FIFA in comparison feels like you're moving through water.)

I have no idea why but the vast majority of my FIFA matches (and I'm talking 95 percent, at least) play out almost exactly the same: I end up with about 60 percent of possession and both me and the CPU finish with somewhere near 90 percent passing accuracy, though if I'm playing all manual that might drop into the mid to high 80s for me.

Most importantly the majority of my games end in 0-0 draws, sometimes 1-1. I'm playing Legendary difficulty for the most part. In every match most of the game, like 80 percent at least, takes place between the half line and the CPU's penalty box. While I dominate the game and possession, once I reach the final third it's like a brick wall - "you shall not pass!"

I'm really trying to like FIFA - I feel like I'm shoving it down my own throat - but the best way I can describe this game is "unbalanced." From passing speed, tackling, dribbling, movement speed, offense vs defense, human control vs CPU, offense AI vs defense AI; manual vs assisted controls - everything is just out of whack. Maybe the difference is I'm playing offline, or maybe it's because I'm playing manual when this game is built for assisted, but I just don't get how people are enjoying FIFA 11.

Ugh, so frustrated.
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Everyone has his own view for the game. IMO this is the best football game by far
 
max: Reading your posts it seems that you're confused as to why others are finding enjoyment from the game. From a personal perspeciveI value Placebo's opinions (as well as ramognoli's) cause they were vocal during FIFA9 and 10 too and I have a feeling I'll find it a fun experience after 10 too. I see you advising others in a FIFA thread to not "bother" but I honestly think that's misplaced. I agree, Konami with PES nails the nuances in footy (everything right down to the cardboard champions league themed archway at the beginning of the match) but I personally think FIFA11 this year will be what we wanted from 10 which is just about enough to stave off PES2011.

Don't get me wrong, I'm loathed to admit it will be a great game of footy ultimately. Why? Cause EA have really slept for a year. ProPassing and P+ is NOT ENOUGH for a company this big. Everything else is a touch-up. By next year, if Konami continue on their trajectory they will overtake FIFA as the must play football game this gen. IMO their Proplem is they treat the Xbox fans like dirt and Xbox fans have got to be the most casual and sports-influenced gamers out there. Multi-platform-wise Xbox gamer tend to dictate the success of a game's sale more. They won't stand for "man red" etc and they won't want to buy some contraption to convert their PC files (other than a USB stick maybe).

Anyways, I get the feeling that EA burnt a load of bridges this time. The game is fine for the masses but the hardcore will flock back to PES next year if FIFA12 is FIFA11 with tweeks (tweeks that they then patch out of the game on launch day :lol:). The gamechanger programme is a farce and EA haven't posted on their own forums in about a month. It's all a front. TBH they probably hate that forum with all that happened previously (marcel kuhn-gate) and the whining the kids do on there about Del Piero's boots etc. EA would do well to get in some experts/ex pro's to help mould that excellent engine into a proper and intellectual game of football. The engine is more than capable. It just seems that EA fear that next step.

For now though it's good enough and EA seem content with that.

IMO ofcourse.
 
Agreed...

The nitpicking is absolutely absurd. I've played through some HORRIBLE Fifa games. Last years was NOT anything like or as good as this years.

Speed this speed that tackle when tackle how... man it's just overboard and prevention from having ANY fun ANYMORE with ANY soccer/football game you get.


I'm sick and tired of all the areas in the game people find fault with that actually play better than anything before it...
 
gameklip said:
max: Reading your posts it seems that you're confused as to why others are finding enjoyment from the game. From a personal perspeciveI value Placebo's opinions (as well as ramognoli's) cause they were vocal during FIFA9 and 10 too and I have a feeling I'll find it a fun experience after 10 too. I see you advising others in a FIFA thread to not "bother" but I honestly think that's misplaced. I agree, Konami with PES nails the nuances in footy (everything right down to the cardboard champions league themed archway at the beginning of the match) but I personally think FIFA11 this year will be what we wanted from 10 which is just about enough to stave off PES2011.
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Sorry, it wasn't my intention to tell everyone not to bother,just darthkebab - I recognized him as a big PES fan from the other side of the forums and if he has one football game that he's happy with, and if it's only a matter of whether or not to give FIFA 11 a go for shits and giggles, then yeah, I'd advise against it.

As I have repeatedly done elsewhere, I fully endorse the game to anyone who enjoyed FIFA 10. I also thought I was clear that I'm talking primarily about offline gaming as I definitely understand FIFA's attraction for online gamers - it's the superior game without question.

But when it comes to offline, I find the game extremely unbalanced. I apologize for being a downer but my frustration level is the result of such high expectations after loving FIFA in 08 and even 09. After hearing feedback from gamerbase I was convinced I'd be able to enjoy the game. I even enjoyed my time with the WC game but at the moment I'm experiencing utter shock. I wouldn't get so frustrated if I didn't see so much potential, and if I didn't see so much to love about the game. But you're right, I'll try to tone down the negativity - I'd share my wrath with EA but unfortunately those forums have gone to even further shit, as if that was even possible. What ever your opinion on the game is I think no one can disagree that EAs complete silence is inexcusable.

Tomba said:
Agreed...

The nitpicking is absolutely absurd. I've played through some HORRIBLE Fifa games. Last years was NOT anything like or as good as this years.

Speed this speed that tackle when tackle how... man it's just overboard and prevention from having ANY fun ANYMORE with ANY soccer/football game you get.


I'm sick and tired of all the areas in the game people find fault with that actually play better than anything before it...
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Everyone has their own opinions and obviously yours and others may differ from my own in respect to aspects of FIFA, but please don't demean my opinions by saying me or others are nitpicking when we refer to core aspects of the game. Slow pass speed in a football game is not nitpicking. Offensive AI that rarely scores on the highest level is not nitpicking. Dominating every statistic in a match while rarely creating scoring opportunities because of unrealistic defenders with inhuman reflexes is not nitpicking.

Nitpicking is not liking the game because you think Chicharito's OVR is too low, or because Torres doesn't have the right haircut, or Ronaldo's running animation isn't 100 percent accurate. Finding gameplay rather boring and not enjoying the game because of core mechanics in the game design is NOT nitpicking.
 
As a offline gamer, I will say that the pre-patch game is sooo much better than post-patch. The games just feel more random.

EA needs to add gameplay sliders so we can customize to our delights...
 
romagnoli said:
I got mine free and last night I was thinking of sending it back!

As I said, it was 7.5 or so before the patch, but now it's just FIFA 10 in my eyes.
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I've been playing it offline only (pre patch) and have for the most part enjoyed it (playing Career Mode with City, 10 min halves, slow speed, co-op camera, fully manual, world class difficulty). The slower more considered approach is a big plus in my eyes. A couple of niggles of course (see below)

I've read that 1.01 practically destroys the game, tho I've only seen people talk about this in terms of online play. Still, I've put off dowloading in case it f**ks up offline gameplay aswell.



Niggles:
1. Passing is abit limited.
Most of the time the passing speed seems ok but when attempted long distance passes it can feel abit slow. Short to medium passing speed feels alright. The powerbar needs an extra 'level'.

2. Still too physical.
Can still resemble rugby at times.

3. Lack of acceleration.
I'm not after superman speeds, I don't even think the sprint speed really needs upping at all, it's just that the game seems to be missing that little burst of speed that most players use to get past the defender or create some space for a cross

4. Ref seems worse than in Fifa 10/WC
Some of the decisions are blatantly wrong. Advantage has taken a backwards step.

These are things that just need tweaking. 1-3 just need tinkering by roughly 10-15%.
 
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I dont understand why pro passing is not mandatory online.. way to fuck that one up EA.. lets tout this feature, which would make online more enjoyable.. now lets just make it optional.. ahh.. one good idea forward, 3 steps back...
 
Something interesting from Kotaku:
NBA Elite 11, whose marketing run up failed to woo gamers, and whose demo faced harsh criticism, was postponed indefinitely by EA Sports on Monday. It had been due for release on Oct. 5. EA Sports had attempted a complete overhaul of the game centering on a new control set.
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So parts of EA listen.
Picking up the game tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon, hopefully I still enjoy it as I did the demo, for the most part.
 
I had a few games last night before and after the Spurs game, just in Exhibition mode, on Professional level. I found it a bit hard, TBH. Hardly any time on the ball and closed down very quickly. Drew 2-2 with Twente in my first game, then had a few 0-0's with Manchester City in the Live Season game (true to life, I guess).

Don't want to drop down to semi-pro as it's too easy, so might try World Class and see how that works out, as a few guys have said it's actually a lot better than Professional.

Also went into practice to sort my penalties out, as I was really struggling with shoot outs in the draws I had in Exhibition mode. Christ. Think I've sorted it now I know how it works. The hints and guiding aim in practice mode are really helpful.

I also patched the game when I installed it, so I have no idea what it was like before hand.
 
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