Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

Placebo said:
Already looked in there, looked in every menu option/setting, what a stupid, fucked up decision to put in a score ticker that cannot be disabled, thanks a bunch whichever fucking moron thought of that...
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Have you tried Online > options mate? There's always been a choice to turn the ticker off in all other FIFA's -
 
kevano22 said:
Or will they just go with the majority of dickheads who want this crap?
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Um... they are a company who want to make a profit so they will go with the dickheads who WANT this crap.

I played for a few hours last night and don't understand all the doom and gloom. Pro Passing is a pain in my ass in a good way and I am making bad passes, the AI is making bad passes, if I lunge for a tackle the Ai goes around me etc.

It's a good game and nothing like Fifa 10. I was playing it at first like it was and it was horrible with all the pressure. This is a totally different game and if you play it like previous versions you will be disappointed.
 
Do you play online Placebo? Otherwise just pull the networkcable out, crap solution I know. Shocking if it is forced, as I remember having to turn that shit off just to keep the game from having gameplay/loading issues.
 
just got home from work and mines is behind the door. installed the update, installed the game to HD off to play 7 a side then fifa time. will post impressions as soon as i have them.
 
Placebo - have you tried changing your team to one you don't give a toss about? If you don't find a proper solution, that is.

And I mean in FIFA, of course.
 
3-4 negative comments doesnt make this game bad, calm down guys .Game is good especially for online and offline with mates. 90% community(pes) in my country says Fifa is still better this year. Ai when you play vs cpu is bad and boring. This is great game for hman vs human.
 
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Can't say I've noticed much difference from the demo after playing about 5 games vs. Legendary AI as I did in the demo.

Defending is definitely too easy though as people have mentioned. I try not to just run into them with A but it's too effective not to and the jockeying system isn't the greatest.

Enjoying it though and Scutch, you're like me in that you enjoyed the demo to a certain extent so I think you'll enjoy it too when you get the chance to play it later.
 
Regarding Pro Passing online: Surely EA will change this, right? They spent the last couple of months ensuring the community that PP would be default on and with no option to turn off, I can't believe even EA would totally renege on a promise like this.

I'm totally confused how I feel about the game... and I have the damn game! I read elsewhere that the patch was a big improvement over the demo, especially for fixing passing speed, then Rom and others are saying it's made it worse.

Could one of you guys who has the game and also played the gamerbase build post what exactly you're finding different that makes the final worse? Something just doesn't seem right and surely the answer isn't that EA are a bunch of cocks/cowards/liers etc, right?

Scutch said:
Jesus. The comments over the last few days have been awful. I have the game waiting for me this evening, but even I'm getting pissed off with it and I haven't played it yet! That's what negative comments can do.

It surely cannot be that bad, surely? It's better than FIFA 10, I'll bet. If so, and the flaws of Manager Mode have been ironed out, for £30 or so, I'm content. With all these comments rolling in, you'd think the game was utter gash. I'm willing to wager that it's not.
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Again if you liked 10 and are someone who just wanted more of the same, then you'll be more than pleased I imagine. It's those of us who needed to see something a little different from EA, and feel that we were led to believe we were going to get at least small steps in the "right" direction, that are disappointed.

TikTikTikTikTik said:
Can't wait for the game now! Thanks lads! :D

Seriously, this has been on the cards since the release of 10 imo, I get the impression the gamechangers program is nothing more then a very clever marketing tool, sadly for the guys who have invested so much time. The impressions and forummers create a buzz, the reviewers get to see EA open up to the public and that's enough to get them the benefit of the doubt.

It would be interesting if someone, like Rom, asks the guys like Gary how they feel about the game and the way their development work is being thrown out the window. I get the impression those guys want to create the best football game, but that the powers that be are forcing those developments to be toned down to keep the public happy.

As for games, I'll be getting PES aswell this year and I expect to only be playing that in a couple of months whilst FIFA may be an online with mates only game (if that).

@ placebo,

In My Fifa / online or something like that was where I could turn it off for the previous games.
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Said it before and I'll say it again - glorified beta-testers. I've worked in PR and from the get-go the gamechangers thing has stunk of marketing. You don't surround yourselves with "yes men" when you're interested in change. Good god, reading some of the so-called "reviews" on the official forums, what's the point in having a gamechangers program when the GCs don't see anything worthwhile to change? Actually I tip my hat to EA - it's quite genius. (This isn't a criticism of the GCs themselves as much as EA - I don't know all the GCs, and I don't know them personally, and I imagine there are some trying to make a difference.)

Like you I'll also be getting PES. FIFA 10 lasted me two months, dunno if 11 is going to last 2 weeks. Really hoping EA will release another patch or change the game with their new Pro Patching system. If they wait to long I might be already gone.

TikTikTikTikTik said:
Yeah I think I'll still enjoy FIFA, but if the team AI is still as shit (attack,attack,attack) then I'll quickly get bored. Hopefully CT's can create some form of decent team differences to give it some life.
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CPU offensive AI might just be the worst part of the game for me, especially since I'm primarily an offline gamer. I have played dozens of matches but have only had about a half-dozen goals scored against me that weren't off handball PKs (turn them off!) or me being stupid and having a goalkick intercepted. And probably half of those half-dozen came from Torres raping my defense (which I admit was pretty cool).

The CPU does not understood football, plain and simple. It doesn't value possession whatsoever. Slow possession-based buildup is not in its programming and back-passes are a rarity. At times I swear they are programmed to seek-out a tackle.

I have read comments by top members of the official forums saying they've been impressed with the CPU's attacking prowess but either EA's cock is so far up their asses the devs are typing the comments themselves, or they don't know shit about football. Spin moves and tricks are not advanced football tactics but that seems to be the only "improvement" from before, while if anything the rest has gotten worse.

The only positive I can say is that the ref appears to call more fouls than in the demo - I've actually gotten a few red cards that shocked me - and sometimes your tackles will fail, but that's rare. Nonetheless, though it might not be quite as much a tacklefest as in the demo, as long as you know which buttons are the tackle and teammate press buttons and you know how to hold down a button for a couple seconds, you will rarely if ever need to worry about the CPU scoring.

To make matters worse is the game is still unbalanced between offense and defense, for the reasons others have gone into detail - sprint speed, manual passing, CPU defense super-human response times, etc. The result is if I go less than Legendary in difficulty I can score in more realistic numbers (I'm not looking for 3 goals per game but 0-0 draws get old)but the CPU will likely not get near my goal. A simple band-aid solution would be to allow me to choose the attacking and defense difficulties separately, but of course that's not possible.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think I may give up on playing manual, at least for a play session or two. I seemed to have had more fun in my first games with 11 when I played on mixed control settings to play around and get used to the new game, while since I've switched to my typical all manual settings I've enjoyed the game far less. While online play may work well when both parties are playing manual, I just don't think this game is well suited for manual controls against the AI - it's possible and I still win more than I lose, it's just frustrating. For all its technical marvel, for me the game just isn't that fun.

(**Again here's the obligatory "I am not saying FIFA 11 is rubbish or not fun in general, and that if you enjoyed FIFA 10 you will almost without a doubt think FIFA 11 is the shit, and these are my opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Evo-Web or its other members, please don't flame me" statement. )
 
DerleiPT said:
3-4 negative comments doesnt make this game bad, calm down guys .Game is good especially for online and offline with mates. 90% community(pes) in my country says Fifa is still better this year. Ai when you play vs cpu is bad and boring. This is great game for hman vs human.
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Great point - we might have come to the point where some games require two totally separate review scores, one for online and one for offline. The few h2h manual matches I've played are far FAR more enjoyable than playing against the CPU.

Going forward it may very well be the case that I play PES for offline and ML and FIFA for h2h and online modes, if I finally get into Clubs.

Erik said:
Um... they are a company who want to make a profit so they will go with the dickheads who WANT this crap.

I played for a few hours last night and don't understand all the doom and gloom. Pro Passing is a pain in my ass in a good way and I am making bad passes, the AI is making bad passes, if I lunge for a tackle the Ai goes around me etc.

It's a good game and nothing like Fifa 10. I was playing it at first like it was and it was horrible with all the pressure. This is a totally different game and if you play it like previous versions you will be disappointed.
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Would you care to expand please? How exactly are you playing it so differently? (And you're playing semi/assisted controls I assume?)
 
@ mfmaxpower WHY did you have to quote Dereli :(

DAM I have to read about him quoting even more percentage nonsense! :LOL: he's practically the only guy in this forum who's impressed with the game. Some think it's OK, other, well you know :LOL: :)

That's why i put him on ignore!

I think after the F1 2010 fiasco I'm kind of getting used to games not living up to their hype! I mean GT5 might aswell be totally shit, kinetic will flop and out of the blue game killing bugs will emerge from the brilliant NBA 2K11.

With that F1 game, I'm sorry if your playing 35+ pound for a game that flawed you need to complain. If you say to codemasters that everything is fine, great job. They will just laugh and know they can get away with shit like that over and over again! people should take shit from these game companies. We pay hard earned money for a product, if it's not at a good standard they need to hear about it!

Sorry but if Romangnoli who knows FIFA inside out isn't happy what hope is there, for, well anyone really! I dunno, it's like people will actually buy this game now from the word of these forums to see if it REALLY is that bad! Maybe it's not! Then again, if you enjoy it for the first week will it buck the trend of other FIFA's and last more than 2 months?
 
DerleiPT said:
3-4 negative comments doesnt make this game bad, calm down guys .Game is good especially for online and offline with mates. 90% community(pes) in my country says Fifa is still better this year. Ai when you play vs cpu is bad and boring. This is great game for hman vs human.
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How exactly do you play the game and what online modes do you play?

Here's a better question. Did you have any problems with the pressure, speed, and lack of fatigue in FIFA 10 or were you fine with it?

My entire rant involved the online portion of the game.

EDIT: Just saw this klashman's post. No wonder I didn't understand what Derlei was on about.
 
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LOL, have EA stopped reading their own forum by the way? They haven't posted since the change. None of them!
 
s33k3rgr said:
From the comments i've read here i am getting PES 11 this year....
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I strongly recommend you to try and play the game yourself before you decide. Some say it's heaven, others think it's a piece of crap. There's one guarantee and that's if you liked FIFA 10 you'll like this.
 
DagsJT said:
Yep.



The best thing that can happen is for EA to lose sales figures, especially if they're lower than FIFA 10. They'd be forced to look at what reasons it sold less, and boards like this can provide those reasons on why people refused to buy.

Hopefully (not likely) EA would then realise and fix it all up for FIFA 12 and give us the game that we want.

It won't happen though.
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Does anybody know how these sales figures work?

I mean lets be realistic here, most people will buy the game to see what it's like and if it's the same old shit they'll trade it in.

I can't see how trade ins would affect EAs figures, so whether it's good or not the sales figures will be much the same as last year I would have thought.
 
Murkurial said:
How exactly do you play the game and what online modes do you play?

Here's a better question. Did you have any problems with the pressure, speed, and lack of fatigue in FIFA 10 or were you fine with it?

My entire rant involved the online portion of the game.

EDIT: Just saw this klashman's post. No wonder I didn't understand his post.
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Dont listen Klashma , he dont like me because i dont like his posts ,, Fifa for noobs and casuals , pes is sim(what is joke for me)''

I know about shit pressure button in Fifa10 :TTTH: In fifa11 still has similar problem but not so much as 10 . Not every player can tackle the ball in 11. I think speed in 11 is much better because slower. Fatigue is better but still not good enough.
I am not impressed so much by new fifa 11 but if you want to play with your friend then Fifa 11 is rly great game.

You expected too much i think.
 
Scutch said:
Jesus. The comments over the last few days have been awful. I have the game waiting for me this evening, but even I'm getting pissed off with it and I haven't played it yet! That's what negative comments can do.

It surely cannot be that bad, surely? It's better than FIFA 10, I'll bet. If so, and the flaws of Manager Mode have been ironed out, for £30 or so, I'm content. With all these comments rolling in, you'd think the game was utter gash. I'm willing to wager that it's not.
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Is it better than Fifa 10? Sure. It's eerily similar to the World Cup game post-patch. The problem I see was the tech demos and early impressions gave us the expectation that this game was really headed in the right direction. All the new features seem really toned down and the same gripes everyone had about gameplay are still there. It isn't a bad game but it's certainly not anything like what was shown to us via the early tech videos. Look at romagnoli's thoughts. He knows what the game was and could have been. If he's disappointed, there's a great chance we will be too.
 
klashman69 said:
Hows the manual for this year boss. Is it better than it was in the demo?
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Barely. Manual 1v1 against my mate was fun but it's still easier than it was last year. Long pass and driven long pass are still assisted as hell. Ground passing is still slow but it's a bit better than in the demo. You're still at a huge disadvantage against assisted players though, especially now that Pro Passing can be turned off.
 
Steekbal said:
Barely. Manual 1v1 against my mate was fun but it's still easier than it was last year. Long pass and driven long pass are still assisted as hell. Ground passing is still slow but it's a bit better than in the demo. You're still at a huge disadvantage against assisted players though, especially now that Pro Passing can be turned off.
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:COOL: Thanks, so ermm not much there?
 
One thing I noticed in the demo was playing against Lyon on World Class the ball was passed to Lisandro and every time he either got past me or tried to with a spin move, it even got to the point where I let him get past me and tackled him halfway through the move.

Is this in the full game?
 
s33k3rgr said:
From the comments i've read here i am getting PES 11 this year....
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You gotta decide for yourself. Did you like FIFA 10? Did you like the WC game? Did you like the demo? That's what should decide it for you not my posts or anyone else's. In the end there's simply not enough change, for bad or good, in FIFA 11 to make you change your overall opinion of FIFA.


tonnyrat said:
Is it better than Fifa 10? Sure. It's eerily similar to the World Cup game post-patch.
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There's all types of little improvements here and there over the WC game - lots of window-dressing really - but so far I find I prefer the overall gameplay of the WC game. Now it took a little while for the WC game to grow on me, so hopefully I'll learn to enjoy FIFA 11 for what it is too.

Steekbal said:
Barely. Manual 1v1 against my mate was fun but it's still easier than it was last year. Long pass and driven long pass are still assisted as hell. Ground passing is still slow but it's a bit better than in the demo. You're still at a huge disadvantage against assisted players though, especially now that Pro Passing can be turned off.
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I agree - better than demo but still not good. I think I prefer manual passing in the WC game.

stuartyd said:
Does anybody know how these sales figures work?

I mean lets be realistic here, most people will buy the game to see what it's like and if it's the same old shit they'll trade it in.

I can't see how trade ins would affect EAs figures, so whether it's good or not the sales figures will be much the same as last year I would have thought.
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I'd imagine these annual sports games work similar to sequels - the next edition's success is greatly influenced by the quality of the one just prior. If you enjoyed FIFA 10 then for most people it would require loads of horrible reviews and word of mouth to convince you not buy, and vice versa. When it comes to a massive franchise like FIFA I would imagine it'd take a couple years of poor editions before sales really took a hit.

Still, there are experts out there paid the big bucks to predict these trends. I imagine there's enough rumblings going on this year to indicate FIFA will need to step it up next year, but maybe I'm being overly optimistic. It's very easy to see FIFA falling into the cliche of sitting on their laurels and reaping the profits of past successes, but I'd like to think those guys realize they've maxed-out the current development cycle and need to freshen things up. Though it may be too late for me to care if PES 2012 builds on what they've done for this year.
 
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gameklip said:
LOL, have EA stopped reading their own forum by the way? They haven't posted since the change. None of them!
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Honestly they've hardly participated in the forums since this time last year. I'm guessing they don't figure it's worth the effort and stress. After all, what's several thousand when you're pushing millions?
 
drekkard said:
Bought yesterday both Fifa and PES at my usual shop.

FIFA is getting raped quickly by the developers themselves, that's the only thing I can think of.

Almost everything in the game has been improved... except the game itself. Some insights:

- Tackling: Noob tackling totally destroys this game.

- Movement: here is a video of what I think the movement of Fifa is based on:
YouTube - Disney On Ice Let's Celebrate

- P-my-ass+: You can see some P+ in that previous video too. Goofy and Peter Pan have slightly different speeds when they run. Well, it may sound so far fetched, but there's not much personality there. Some players will be slightly faster (but as defenders can catch you up, what does it matter?) but all of them can control and move with the ball with total impunity until they're tackled again and again (right stick to put the ball ahead works exactly the same for all players....wtf).

First touch almost non existant (it's there 1 out of every 30 controls, it seems), all players can pass practically the same (ProPassing is noticeable and slightly reduces ping-pong, but makes practically no difference overall).

You don't feel different "types of player" in the game, Amauri may be a great header specialist, but moves with the ball almost the same as Xavi or Messi. He's not that fast but he's stronger.... mmm, Fifa 10.5?

- Manual controls have gone shit in my oppinion. You're seriously handicapped with manual this year, since it's not that manual anyway and deffensive AI has been empowered by totally ignoring the laws of physics, so it's brutally impossible to play realistic passes, nice through balls or intrincate passing in the midfield.

- Strength vs skill: they only made Iniesta and Xavi faster and quicker, pretending that would make them better, and they can evade from defenders by doing absurdly unrealistic turns. But they can't simply wrong foot anyone. I still can achieve the same (and a plus), with any strong DMF (usually the man of the match...). By the way, Iniesta tackles as well as Pique or Puyol.

- CPU AI: pathetic. Worse in FIFA next gen by far. They do absurd tricks now and there, they play pixel perfect everything and all that we already know. But this year they don't seem to play a team sport. A CPU player will take the ball and run with it 30 meters, trying to dribble everything in his way, automatically "retacling" when you tackle him, and if they are not dispossessed (just hold a button and sprint towards them), they may sometimes pass it to another player. I haven't seen any smart teamplay in more than 30 matches.

- Midfield is a tackle fest now and then, an the amount of people falling to the ground reminds me of this:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/2698613/Hulton-Archive

- A little non important detail: EA has a curious tendency of doing things. Last year a lot of people said there were no diping shots in the game, so this year practically all the shots in the arena ARE diping shots. Try to shoot in the arena for a while, it gets absolutely ridiculous the amount of shots with extraordinary dip. I'm annoyed at the tendency they have to put the new things extremely visible so they can claim them in the box. Then you go to the actual game and see that shooting is quite good, in fact, maybe the best thing of the game!

I could go on and on and on... right now this game feels flat and boring, rewards build up less than before (it rewards running towards any opposition holding tackle, that's what it rewards mainly), is a lesser simulation of real matches and tactics and introduces new flaws to an already flawed game, while only slightly fixing some.

You may love it for what it does and because technically is vastly superior to it's opponent, but it's the most arcade game in this generation of consoles and doesn't fix any of the flaws most of the people had. They will need to change a lot of things for me to buy another version.

I may play a bit more to try to save something out of the full package, but VERY disappointed by now. I was extremely disgusted with the demo and the final product is way off what I want in a footy game. Lucky me, I can give the game to a friend that wanted to buy it.

I spent months playing full manual CM in Fifa 10. I WON'T spend more than 2 weeks playing this, maybe less. It's a mess of a game, it's a caricature of Fifa 10 (which was a caricature of Fifa 09, etc...).

Another rant bites the dust.
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:)) Good post, Drekk. I haven't got the game, haven't pre-ordered it or anything, and since the f*cking awful demo, have been leaning more towards not bothering with it this year. That decision is obviously helped by the fact that PES is worthy of attention again.

The reception the final game is receiving seems to confirm this FIFA is a turd. Is it in any way better than the demo?

I know exactly what you mean about the technical proficiency of the game, yet somehow, the playability diminishes rather than improves. It does not capture the essence of football at all.

Like yourself (but based only on the demos), I'm finding PES to be a breath of fresh air in comparison to EAs sad effort. This despite the very glaring flaws in PES. I note you say you've already got PES so look forward to reading your full assessment, warts and all, and I know you'll find the real warts and not be blinded by brand loyalty or ignorance. I've already seen in the demo the cpu switch onto god mode when it needs to.....good ole Seabasstard.

I'm definitely getting PES this year but would like to know about changes since its demo (particularly the ridiculous goalkeepers - cpu ones are either god, or stand and watch the ball roll past them and won't come off their line, meanwhile your keeper is always Mr Butterfingers - and the very disappointing shooting system).

And equally, what's it like online and is there a 5v5 or 10v10 feature as in FIFA? If PES has good multi-player online, then it would rule out the final reason for me to consider FIFA this year.
 
mfmaxpower said:
Would you care to expand please? How exactly are you playing it so differently? (And you're playing semi/assisted controls I assume?)
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Obviously I can't say for certain you or anyone else is playing the game a different way to how I am. What I do know is that sprinting is gone as a useful tactic unless you use the knock on feature while running. This makes sense to me in that with the ball at your feet you will run slower or have worse ball control whereas if you knock it into space you can run more "free" so to speak.

In the previous versions of the game I would tend to sprint more often than not even when I would try my hardest to build up play. I tried that yesterday and got nowhere. I actually did have to build from the back and through the middle and up to my strikers. The animations and running off the ball are much better this year and I was able to build up some nice attacks. I just can't score...

I am currently playing on all assisted because I wanted to see how Pro Passing felt and I am having a hard time with it. I've found if you hit the power bar right at the marker it gives you your pass will zip and your player will control the incoming pass better. Anything harder or slower and your attack breaks down in a small way.

I am seeing in this game, while not perfect to how we on this forum may want to see it, is a dev team that took the advice of people like us. Traits DO matter. I played as Liverpool and my team moved and passed well. I started a game as Huddersfield and balls are going out of bounds, shots are flying into the stands and the AI is even missing passes. I also see the AI doing more cross field low hard passes to an overlapping back and it screws up my defense.

These are just my impressions after 3-4 hours of playing, but after the first day of FIFA 10 I hated it. Maybe this will go that way for me as well, but after trying PES last year for the first time since 6 and seeing how bad the competition was, I have nowhere else to go.
 
You want proof the CPU AI in FIFA is utter trash? If you have the game, or when you get the game, treat yourself to a few matches of BAP as a keeper, and enjoy watching a nonstop tackle fest with maybe three shots if you're lucky.

Oh the irony: with their new play as a goalkeeper function EA have themselves offered-up evidence of how abysmal the AI is. Playing as a keeper works fine, it's just insanely boring, offline that is.
 
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