Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

Anyone with the full game, do you know if they made ANY changes at all to BAP: Online Team Play?

Maybe given the option to boot (I was told that this wouldn't be happening but maybe they surprised us). Fixed matchmaking?

Really, could someone try to create a 5v5 or 10v10 BAP:OTP match and change the parameters. Change it to 8 minute halves, and slow speed and let me know if you're able to first find a game OR if you make a game with those settings, does anyone join.

If that hasn't been fixed, the game's been ruined for me online. I remember Rutter saying something between FIFA 09 in the lead up to FIFA 10 that "ANY" would be changed to mean "I don't care for that setting." Which doesn't make much sense to me. It should have been, if you wanna play with assisted, pick assisted in your filters. Picking "ANY" should throw you into a match with any settings as far as I'm concerned.

The way that it's set up now, you can't even play on anything other than 5 minute halves. If you change any of the default settings, ANYTHING at all, you won't find a game, and nobody will find yours. Sounds completely broken to me. The majority of players don't change those settings from "ANY," and thus it becomes a setting all on it's own which just means "ONLY the default."
 
Hi all, anyone know why my DEMO (360 version) crashes at the fulltime whistle if im NOT connected to LIVE?? ? It used to happen on the full game of Fifa 10 too? :CONFUSE:
 
Early Impressions:

*1st impression: first thing I notice is the game feels fast after the demo. This isn't a moan, just my first reaction. Maybe it's because I've spent so much time with the PES demo but my guess is it's a result of EA tightening things up since the demo code - reactions are quicker, etc.

2nd: passing speed is better than in the demo, thank god.

3rd: Pro Passing is MIA. I guess because pass speed is back to normal, now you're definitely going to have to listen to Rutter and play manual if you want to see realistic error in passes. Don't think I've seen a single instance of error in accuracy when not playing manual. If anything I'd say semi is easier than before, but not sure. Manual passing def seems easier too. Maybe worst part of this is that CPU passing is, of course, near perfect.

4th: God the AI is dumb. It's great to see the CPU doing tricks (and less frequently than in the demo) but it's as if the CPU has never heard of possession football or intelligent buildup. Individual AI has improved, I guess probably as a result of P+, but team AI is horrible. As a result the only times the CPU, on World Class, ever got close to scoring is when they did score twice - once on a PK that should never have been given (I'll mention that later) and the other time when, out of habit, I passed to my fullback on a goalkick and it was intercepted. AI in fact could be a gamebreaker for me. (*Edit: make that three goals - Leverkusen just took a corner and by some weird AI that I've never seen before and through no fault of my own because I was not controlling him, for some reason Pique jogged back toward my own goal and the ball hit his chest and bounced in. It actually doesn't sound as bad as it was - really hope this is not an indicator of buggy AI. At least that's the only example I've seen but it was a blunder on par with some of the bad goalkeeping I've seen in PES.)

5th: Stamina - if it's different I'm not seeing it. Maybe this will become noticeable the more I play but I certainly can't see a difference so far.

Other impressions:
*Physical interaction is gorgeous. It was already good before but now the way players interact with each other is on a whole new level. It's just very natural, and much has to do as well with realistic ball physics. This is an area that FIFA destroys PES in, as in PES feels last gen in comparison.

*Difficulty: the game seems much easier and less frustrating than the demo, which is both good and bad. Good because it doesn't seem like quite as much a tackle fest and I succeeded in quality scoring chances that I had difficulties with even on Pro in the demo. The bad is I played on WC and I scored fairly easily while the CPU was never really threatening. Playing the WC game I found it very challenging on WC setting and all manual controls, but I might already need to go to Legendary straight off the bat. Did I mention how dumb the AI is on offense?

*Dribbling: still one of the game's big weaknesses for me and I think not as easy as it was in the demo because the game has sped up slightly. I'll admit though that I've never been a trickster or great dribbler to begin with and my game has always relied more on steady passing buildup play. Also, this is something it's hard to judge early on before you learn all the ins and outs. Still, I had more success dribbling with Iniesta and Messi in the demo.

*Strong vs Weak players: this is much better than the demo imo and the best it's been. Smaller players didn't get barged off the ball like they did before, though it still happens. On the flip side I scored a header goal with Messi that was completely embarrassing for the CB and I'm not sure would've happened IRL. Messi is a decent header of the ball but he was able to fend this CB off in way I'm not sure was realistic. Still, the balance between players is a definite improvement for over the demo and previous FIFAs.

*Defending is better than in the demo (I thought it was way overpowered and too easy) but it's still too simple, and I think it was actually harder in the WC game. Very pleased to see they toned this down from the demo but defending needs desperate attention for next year. I'm sure most people won't take issue with it but it only contributes to FIFA seeming like a dumb football game to me. On the flip side, I saw Iniesta make an awesome tackle while I was controlling a different player and I didn't use the teammate press/tackle button - he just reached out and took the ball with a sweat tackle. Very cool, although it makes defending easier I suppose.

*I've already noticed two referee blunders, one that was costly (as hinted at above). The first was an offsides call on David Villa that should not have been called - I made a poor through pass Villa did not bother to even go near because he was offsides, however as soon as a CB went to intercept I was called for offside. The other was total bullshit and pissed me off. I was winning the game and Abidal was called for penalty when he reached in with his foot and blocked a shot right after it left the foot of the striker. On close inspection in the replay there was never any contact between Abidal and the striker, only Abidal and the ball! Might be the worst referee decision I've ever seen in FIFA. Hopefully an anomaly.

*I hate Barca's green away kit.

Overall I don't have a good read on how I'll feel about this game in a months time, but I'm concerned whether it has lasting appeal for me. Don't worry, if you liked FIFA 10 and/or the WC game, I can guarantee that you will LOVE this game. FIFA 11 looks to be a fantastic game, I just don't know if I like it. I believe it probably is deserving of all the praise it will get, however it might not be for me.

I meant to only write a few sentences but you now how it can be. It wouldn't surprise me if a common complaint is FIFA 11 doesn't see different enough from the WC game or even 10. That's not necessarily a bad thing, at least gameplay wise, but especially with Pro Passing and stamina being MIA, it can be difficult noticing big differences. There certainly are many small differences and I'm hoping that the more I play it the more those come out and the more I come to enjoy the game for what it is. Again, this is going to go down as probably the greatest football game to date and I can easily guarantee that most FIFA fans will lose a massive portion of the next year to this game. Also, for those of you out there who are on the fence after the demo, I will say it's better than the demo for sure. Ask me any questions you want but I'll probably won't be able to answer as I gotta catch up on some sleep.
 
Dunno if its been said already, but Eurogamer 8/10. Sounds like they are saying its taken a step back compared to 10 - basically saying 'more realistic, doesnt mean more fun' and that it feels a lot of the events whilst now 'free-er' are also more determined by stats and AI so you dont always feel as immersed...

Sounds like MM isnt much better (now called "Career Mode" and bundled in with BAP), but nothing very tactical or exciting and the transfers are still unrealistic (reviewer says the first game of his season v Liverpool, they had signed Evra and Van Persie :( )

That last point alone means I'm not touching FIFA11 this year - for now at least. Might pick it up cheap from the forums in 6 months, but not fussed.

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EDIT: Didnt realise this review was from first thing yesterday, so its probably already been discussed 20 pages back. Sorry peeps, not been checking this thread...
 
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Thnx for the impressions Max. Very dissapointed to hear that stamina isn't noticable. How is pressure now? Everyone seems ot be saying they stand off far more and it's toned down.

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Im sctually loving this game more and more. For the people who are saying its easy are you plaing on manual? Im finding it difficult to create chances on WC mode and was winning the world cup in the previous game at the same level.

I think i might just be a casual gamer now with work and everything and I just dont get the time to analyise the game like other people do :)

i also enjoyed PES but one major gripe was every goal kick two players locked in to challenge and you couldnt move them at all usnless im missing something.

Going to play both games for a while before I decide which one to stick with
 
jonneymendoza said:
Mate its like NHL. you HAVE to wait until the other guys finished before u can play. like its been said, you can only play one game. no more 2-3 games played simultaneously
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BobbyBox said:
Going from what the guy says though, it just says you have to wait until the other squad gets a game...not until they finish?

2. Dressing Room - There are no more 3 rooms - It's simple, you pick your formation and the position and wait until an opponent decides to play you
* For those teams like PPB who have more than 1 squad you will have to wait until the other squad gets a game, no more 3 seperate rooms, similar to FIFA 09 clubs

Anyway I don't know much about clubs and you play it all of the time, so you will be right :))
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Bobby is right. The guy says "similar to FIFA 09 clubs" not NHL. On FIFA09 the dressing room worked as described, not like this "one game at a time" theory, which I frankly cant see how you got out of that first post.
 
Treetopp said:
Bobby is right. The guy says "similar to FIFA 09 clubs" not NHL. On FIFA09 the dressing room worked as described, not like this "one game at a time" theory, which I frankly cant see how you got out of that first post.
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He's taking it like that as I have mentioned on another forum to him that's exactly how NHL works (I know that one from experience as I have the game).

The picture I saw of the Clubs DR in FIFA was basically the same as NHL (but obviously has 11 slots availabale for players and not 6).

However, I did say I have no idea for definite and to wait and see what happens when the game comes out.
 
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The game speed was insane in PS3 demo if you ask me. Some people say it has slowed down in the final build, others say it became even faster....
That is totally unreal in my opinion, just like the ease of stealing the ball with crazy pressure. In these areas PES is so much better; but there are others in which Fifa is way better too. I cannot decide myself, seriously, this year...
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
@ Hitman re PES headers,

You can use supercancel (R1+R2) to free your player and move him in a better position. Not sure how much it helps though.
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Thanks for that..I did try PES 2011 again and did Man U V Chelsea. It was ok but the animations are spoiling it for me now after playing FIFA. There are definate questions over the goalies in PES. they dont seem to stretch out in some circumstances. One freekick I conceded the goalkeeper could have walked over and caught it in the air but he kind of dived without his arm fully outstretched so it went it.

With FIFA i like the little touchea especially the fingtip saves ive see.

Im not saying its perfect i just prefer it as a gaming experience
 
I’m still undecided on Fifa.

I don’t think I will be going back to PES as there are just things I see in that game which will annoy the crap out of me. Glad it looks like it’s on the way back though just not sure there is enough for me.

With Fifa 11 the main thing that is stopping me buying this game is the AI. I want a decent career mode, well at least something that can keep me interested for 2-3 seasons. By the sounds of Fifa 11 won’t do this and then I just have an online game to play.

Looks like my sports fix is NBA 2K11 and now I will have some time to really dig deep into that game and master something new.
 
Any more news on the 1.01 update? If it does fix the pressure and pass speed then I may be somewhat persuaded to purchase this.
 
Pressure and passing is said to be improved in the final version before the patch, if I'm not mistaken. Also pressure can be fixed with CT's, you just need to spend some time with it to do the teams. As for passing, turning off the powerbar made it better for me.
 
hi finally get the game play frindly united against city legendry 3 _ 3 then after extra time 5_3 rooney 4 goal great games can i convertor save replay on pc from hd
 
BillyBoy said:
Any more news on the 1.01 update? If it does fix the pressure and pass speed then I may be somewhat persuaded to purchase this.
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I think someone on the EA boards says the pressure and passing speed are the two main things updated, but it's yet to be confirmed by others.
 
Thanks for the summary max, pretty much what was expected I guess altough I'm disappointed to hear about passing being dumbed down again. Still, I've enjoyed FIFA 10 for at least six months and it looks like they've fixed some of the more glaring issues so I'll definitely be getting this.
 
mfmaxpower said:
3rd: Pro Passing is MIA. I guess because pass speed is back to normal, now you're definitely going to have to listen to Rutter and play manual if you want to see realistic error in passes. Don't think I've seen a single instance of error in accuracy when not playing manual. If anything I'd say semi is easier than before, but not sure. Manual passing def seems easier too. Maybe worst part of this is that CPU passing is, of course, near perfect.
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Looks like I'll be getting this tomorrow but my word is this depressing. At least it will prove to the morons that the passing speed was the reason it feels like there is a large difference. This is the problem with EA. They botched the change, people complain about the side-effect of the botch, rightly, they then remove the botch and in the end go back to almost the state it was in FIFA 10.

Forge on, I guess, forge on. Really can't believe that there are so many people who don't get this yet. Can't post on the official forums anyway as it is now so can't reply to the latest idiotic crap right now - but it's really going to be a case of Thursday or Friday trying to reload, reaim, and refire.
 
Its a double edged sword user feedback in this day and age. On the one hand its good Ea know about the genuine problems the game has.

On the other hand little Johnny and his little mates, who are struggling on the game and crying for stuff to be dumbed down get their wish in a patch.
 
FreMM said:
Steekbal, you have it yet?

Net gehoord dat ie op een paar plaatsen in NL al verkocht wordt....
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I've checked Intertoys, Mediamarkt, Free Record Shop and a few local gamestores in Amersfoort and Utrecht, and they all said the same thing: We have it in stock but we can't sell it yet.
 
Just a quick word....I'm a little disappointed with Man Utd's reserve players....they added names but most still have generic faces.Kinda strange when almost every Arsenal reserve player has a real face.

Tracks on the game also sucked if compared to WC2010 and FIFA10.
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
Thnx for the impressions Max. Very dissapointed to hear that stamina isn't noticable. How is pressure now? Everyone seems ot be saying they stand off far more and it's toned down.

As for player/pitch sizes;
green is FIFA, blue is PES. I've taken the goals as a referencepoint (although a centre circle, as Winston said, would be a far better comparison for pitch/player relations.)]
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Stamina may be slightly better but still not sure, though that kinda says enough doesn't it? Certainly doesn't seem like a new stamina/fatigue model was introduced, more like a minor tweak.

Pressure is one change I REALLY like - been one of my biggest gripes in the past and it's much better. Will still be a point of contention but players def stand off more than before - more than a few times I've been caught off guard by it and wasted opportunities!

hitmanuk said:
Im sctually loving this game more and more. For the people who are saying its easy are you plaing on manual? Im finding it difficult to create chances on WC mode and was winning the world cup in the previous game at the same level.
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All manual on WC mostly. Finding it easier to score than I did in the WC game while CPU still doesn't create quality chances itself because tackling/defending is just too easy - I have yet to be punished for mindless mashing of tackle button like you would in real life if a fullback completely missed a tackle. I will say that while I found the game surprisingly easy in my first dozen matches, for some reason I'm having trouble since. Have no idea how to explain this, although I've noticed this weird phenomenon in the past where I seem to get worst at FIFA, or at least go through stages of playing worse.

azur said:
Hi mate, what about first touch and wrong foot issue, it is the same?
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Haven't noticed much change for either. Maybe first touch is worse in some cases because of P+ - I think I saw Pique totally mishandle a ball for example - but I just had one of the worst examples of first touch I've ever seen in the game. I accidentally way - and I mean way - over powered a ground pass to Rooney, who was running away from the pass and toward the corner flag, and the ball stuck to his foot like his boot was coated with super glue. I was going to upload the video but the replay speed is too slow to do it justice. It was ridiculous and atrocious, the ball by any logic of physics should have skewed out of bounds and yet it didn't even bobble under his control. This, however, has so far been the only instance it was so bad for me to take notice though.

Placebo said:
Webhallen posted my 360 slim + Fifa11 today, so I might even get it tomorrow! :)
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I'm actually praying for my 360 to start smoking - really want one of those badboys.

liger05 said:
I’m still undecided on Fifa.

I don’t think I will be going back to PES as there are just things I see in that game which will annoy the crap out of me. Glad it looks like it’s on the way back though just not sure there is enough for me.

With Fifa 11 the main thing that is stopping me buying this game is the AI. I want a decent career mode, well at least something that can keep me interested for 2-3 seasons. By the sounds of Fifa 11 won’t do this and then I just have an online game to play.

Looks like my sports fix is NBA 2K11 and now I will have some time to really dig deep into that game and master something new.
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I know what you mean and I'm afraid the team AI is pretty bad. The individual player AI I think is actually vastly improved over the past, again probably because of P+, but I'm completely shocked reading comments by those with early copies who said they see intelligent and varied attacking play by the CPU.

Who knows, maybe it'll grow on me but right now it seems even dumber than before, if that's possible. No variety between matches whatsoever, which may kill CM for me too. Individuality is certainly noticed, at least with popular players, but all teams seem the same to me.

My biggest fear may be with P+ actually - while the individuality is certainly noticeable with top teams like Man Utd, the few games I've played with less popular teams and lower league teams have been a huge let down. Playing with Man Utd I never had an issue telling who was on the ball, but when I played a random match with Derby County it was hard to tell the players apart aside from their different colored boots (which, btw, were pretty much all generics for Derby - what these guys can't afford some nice Nikes?). I haven't played nearly enough lower level games to make any type of final judgement, but I've been really disappointed so far by this. (Also, player faces: how the hell does Valencia at Man Utd not have a good face? We're talking an important player at one of, if not the, most popular club in the world and the only thing right is his skin tone.)

More time needed to really tell about all this, though I guess ideally I'd notice it immediately.

BillyBoy said:
Any more news on the 1.01 update? If it does fix the pressure and pass speed then I may be somewhat persuaded to purchase this.
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If that's what's holding you back then have no fear - pressure and pass speed are certainly "fixed" since the demo. What a waste of a patch though - no reason pressure and passing shouldn't have been like this for the demo. I guess the popular conspiracy theory would be that they were like that to overemphasize PP. Pass speed still could use a little more zip for my tastes but is not an issue, while pressure is better than it has been in past FIFA games, imo.

Steekbal said:
Thanks for the summary max, pretty much what was expected I guess altough I'm disappointed to hear about passing being dumbed down again. Still, I've enjoyed FIFA 10 for at least six months and it looks like they've fixed some of the more glaring issues so I'll definitely be getting this.
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I'm certainly disappointed about some aspects but it's too early to say that about the game as a whole. If you enjoyed FIFA 10 for six months then I can pretty much ensure you that you'll enjoy 11, at least for a while. Certainly worth the purchase. My biggest worry right now is whether this game will have lasting appeal for me, especially in a WC year - there's just not that big a difference between them all. Of course if you're one who had very little issue with either 10 or the WC game, this game will be the shiznit.

Rodelero said:
Looks like I'll be getting this tomorrow but my word is this depressing. At least it will prove to the morons that the passing speed was the reason it feels like there is a large difference. This is the problem with EA. They botched the change, people complain about the side-effect of the botch, rightly, they then remove the botch and in the end go back to almost the state it was in FIFA 10.

Forge on, I guess, forge on. Really can't believe that there are so many people who don't get this yet. Can't post on the official forums anyway as it is now so can't reply to the latest idiotic crap right now - but it's really going to be a case of Thursday or Friday trying to reload, reaim, and refire.
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Can't believe I'm shocked but I kinda am. I mean, I always expected PP to be much less a change than many of us wanted but I didn't expect this - aside for some contextual error (I fell flat on my arse trying to do a 180 pass) I'm seeing no change whatsoever. Now I play on all manual so it could be I just didn't give it enough time, and maybe someone who's had the game longer can comment like Rom, but I'm stunned. Again, I only played semi and I could barely stand more than a few games of that before switching to manual, so maybe guys who play only assisted/semi will feel a difference - an all manual player might not be the best to judge PP?

Still, the thing is I bet PP will be greeted by most as a perfect mix of error and assistance, and despite my gripes and yours, most people I imagine are going to love this game to the point of finding no substantial fault. I really don't want to paint an overly negative picture about the game as a whole, especially because what I like and what others like obviously vary, because as a total package FIFA 11 looks to be untouchable - not just by PES but maybe even by other games in the genre even.

I really do hope this game grows on me because after the improvements made between the demo and the final version, and as much as I really really like how Konami approaches the game of football, it's going to be even harder for me to overlook some of PES 2011's shortcomings. I still can't wait for the full release of PES but I'd imagine that a lot of the people who've been undecided since both demos were released will still trend toward FIFA, at least for one more year. Just my 2 cents.
 
So the Brazilian nationalteam ain't have original kits ...

If anyone has any questions towards the game ... just ask me :)
 
mfmaxpower said:
Can't believe I'm shocked but I kinda am. I mean, I always expected PP to be much less a change than many of us wanted but I didn't expect this - aside for some contextual error (I fell flat on my arse trying to do a 180 pass) I'm seeing no change whatsoever. Now I play on all manual so it could be I just didn't give it enough time, and maybe someone who's had the game longer can comment like Rom, but I'm stunned. Again, I only played semi and I could barely stand more than a few games of that before switching to manual, so maybe guys who play only assisted/semi will feel a difference - an all manual player might not be the best to judge PP?
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I've played loads of assisted, used to use it for Clubs, though I now play full manual clubs - on the demo it feels pathetic, and now it sounds even worse. Along with the fact that it seems that you -CAN- turn off the weighting element of pro passing for online... well that's criminal if it turns out to be true on release day.
 
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