Thnx for the impressions Max. Very dissapointed to hear that stamina isn't noticable. How is pressure now? Everyone seems ot be saying they stand off far more and it's toned down.
As for player/pitch sizes;
green is FIFA, blue is PES. I've taken the goals as a referencepoint (although a centre circle, as Winston said, would be a far better comparison for pitch/player relations.)]
Stamina may be slightly better but still not sure, though that kinda says enough doesn't it? Certainly doesn't seem like a new stamina/fatigue model was introduced, more like a minor tweak.
Pressure is one change I REALLY like - been one of my biggest gripes in the past and it's much better. Will still be a point of contention but players def stand off more than before - more than a few times I've been caught off guard by it and wasted opportunities!
Im sctually loving this game more and more. For the people who are saying its easy are you plaing on manual? Im finding it difficult to create chances on WC mode and was winning the world cup in the previous game at the same level.
All manual on WC mostly. Finding it easier to score than I did in the WC game while CPU still doesn't create quality chances itself because tackling/defending is just too easy - I have yet to be punished for mindless mashing of tackle button like you would in real life if a fullback completely missed a tackle. I will say that while I found the game surprisingly easy in my first dozen matches, for some reason I'm having trouble since. Have no idea how to explain this, although I've noticed this weird phenomenon in the past where I seem to get worst at FIFA, or at least go through stages of playing worse.
Hi mate, what about first touch and wrong foot issue, it is the same?
Haven't noticed much change for either. Maybe first touch is worse in some cases because of P+ - I think I saw Pique totally mishandle a ball for example - but I just had one of the worst examples of first touch I've ever seen in the game. I accidentally way - and I mean way - over powered a ground pass to Rooney, who was running away from the pass and toward the corner flag, and the ball stuck to his foot like his boot was coated with super glue. I was going to upload the video but the replay speed is too slow to do it justice. It was ridiculous and atrocious, the ball by any logic of physics should have skewed out of bounds and yet it didn't even bobble under his control. This, however, has so far been the only instance it was so bad for me to take notice though.
Webhallen posted my 360 slim + Fifa11 today, so I might even get it tomorrow!
I'm actually praying for my 360 to start smoking - really want one of those badboys.
I’m still undecided on Fifa.
I don’t think I will be going back to PES as there are just things I see in that game which will annoy the crap out of me. Glad it looks like it’s on the way back though just not sure there is enough for me.
With Fifa 11 the main thing that is stopping me buying this game is the AI. I want a decent career mode, well at least something that can keep me interested for 2-3 seasons. By the sounds of Fifa 11 won’t do this and then I just have an online game to play.
Looks like my sports fix is NBA 2K11 and now I will have some time to really dig deep into that game and master something new.
I know what you mean and I'm afraid the team AI is pretty bad. The individual player AI I think is actually vastly improved over the past, again probably because of P+, but I'm completely shocked reading comments by those with early copies who said they see intelligent and varied attacking play by the CPU.
Who knows, maybe it'll grow on me but right now it seems even dumber than before, if that's possible. No variety between matches whatsoever, which may kill CM for me too. Individuality is certainly noticed, at least with popular players, but all teams seem the same to me.
My biggest fear may be with P+ actually - while the individuality is certainly noticeable with top teams like Man Utd, the few games I've played with less popular teams and lower league teams have been a huge let down. Playing with Man Utd I never had an issue telling who was on the ball, but when I played a random match with Derby County it was hard to tell the players apart aside from their different colored boots (which, btw, were pretty much all generics for Derby - what these guys can't afford some nice Nikes?). I haven't played nearly enough lower level games to make any type of final judgement, but I've been really disappointed so far by this. (Also, player faces: how the hell does Valencia at Man Utd not have a good face? We're talking an important player at one of, if not the, most popular club in the world and the only thing right is his skin tone.)
More time needed to really tell about all this, though I guess ideally I'd notice it immediately.
Any more news on the 1.01 update? If it does fix the pressure and pass speed then I may be somewhat persuaded to purchase this.
If that's what's holding you back then have no fear - pressure and pass speed are certainly "fixed" since the demo. What a waste of a patch though - no reason pressure and passing shouldn't have been like this for the demo. I guess the popular conspiracy theory would be that they were like that to overemphasize PP. Pass speed still could use a little more zip for my tastes but is not an issue, while pressure is better than it has been in past FIFA games, imo.
Thanks for the summary max, pretty much what was expected I guess altough I'm disappointed to hear about passing being dumbed down again. Still, I've enjoyed FIFA 10 for at least six months and it looks like they've fixed some of the more glaring issues so I'll definitely be getting this.
I'm certainly disappointed about some aspects but it's too early to say that about the game as a whole. If you enjoyed FIFA 10 for six months then I can pretty much ensure you that you'll enjoy 11, at least for a while. Certainly worth the purchase. My biggest worry right now is whether this game will have lasting appeal for me, especially in a WC year - there's just not that big a difference between them all. Of course if you're one who had very little issue with either 10 or the WC game, this game will be the shiznit.
Looks like I'll be getting this tomorrow but my word is this depressing. At least it will prove to the morons that the passing speed was the reason it feels like there is a large difference. This is the problem with EA. They botched the change, people complain about the side-effect of the botch, rightly, they then remove the botch and in the end go back to almost the state it was in FIFA 10.
Forge on, I guess, forge on. Really can't believe that there are so many people who don't get this yet. Can't post on the official forums anyway as it is now so can't reply to the latest idiotic crap right now - but it's really going to be a case of Thursday or Friday trying to reload, reaim, and refire.
Can't believe I'm shocked but I kinda am. I mean, I always expected PP to be much less a change than many of us wanted but I didn't expect this - aside for some contextual error (I fell flat on my arse trying to do a 180 pass) I'm seeing no change whatsoever. Now I play on all manual so it could be I just didn't give it enough time, and maybe someone who's had the game longer can comment like Rom, but I'm stunned. Again, I only played semi and I could barely stand more than a few games of that before switching to manual, so maybe guys who play only assisted/semi will feel a difference - an all manual player might not be the best to judge PP?
Still, the thing is I bet PP will be greeted by most as a perfect mix of error and assistance, and despite my gripes and yours, most people I imagine are going to love this game to the point of finding no substantial fault. I really don't want to paint an overly negative picture about the game as a whole, especially because what I like and what others like obviously vary, because as a total package FIFA 11 looks to be untouchable - not just by PES but maybe even by other games in the genre even.
I really do hope this game grows on me because after the improvements made between the demo and the final version, and as much as I really really like how Konami approaches the game of football, it's going to be even harder for me to overlook some of PES 2011's shortcomings. I still can't wait for the full release of PES but I'd imagine that a lot of the people who've been undecided since both demos were released will still trend toward FIFA, at least for one more year. Just my 2 cents.
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