Go read on the PES side Rob I'm sure you'll feel just at home.
Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3
- Thread starter jonneymendoza
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Go read on the PES side Rob I'm sure you'll feel just at home.
It's not about daring to like or refuse to play PES, it's just that you aren't adding anything to a discussion. Members here have been trying to have a decent discussion with you but you're being ignorant. You are really embarrassing yourself with your comebacks.
It is people like you who are ruining Fifa. A lot of us want Fifa to get the football fundamentals right before anything else. You seem to ignore this part and you want us to believe you know anything about football? Have you ever played it? Do you know how it feels when you're playing football? From the way you try to describe your version of football it seems to me you don't play it and only watch it on TV.
So you're saying all the members who have been praising Fifa for the last 3 years have embarrassed themselves? You're just trolling now.
Because, unlike you, we're trying to make something better out of both games. You want us to totally swallow what both companies give us whether right or wrong. Sorry but if you think that's how we roll here then you are in the wrong place amigo. We will praise what is right and criticize what is wrong, football-wise. This is Evo-web.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Of course you not a casual gamer, your do what i used to do (Play semi/manual) (Only try stuff which is realsitic in your eyes).
I just hope there's more depth to this game and games aren't just the same over and over again. Also in the videos for FIFA 10 featuring someone playing vs the CPU, is it just me or do the CPU just seem to operate like cyborgs.
They seem very robot like in their play (not stiff robot like PES 2010, more t1000 from terminator 2) It's like they are on auto pilot. Anyone noticed how they always dribble for 2 seconds then automatically pass, always make the same direct runs and movements. They look incredibly dull and lifeless to me. Not too inspiring
Ok Lami.
johnny_on
Championship
- 29 February 2004
- Manchester City
Just keep your handbags away until you have played both. Its becoming abit of a mess in here, as it does every year around this time.
Just one week left, next week you can play both (hopefully with an open mind to both games), then decide which your gonna play day one.
I've played one of them for about 5 hours and I've not made my mind up so how you lot have made your minds up off some youtube videos is beyond me.
Just one week left, next week you can play both (hopefully with an open mind to both games), then decide which your gonna play day one.
I've played one of them for about 5 hours and I've not made my mind up so how you lot have made your minds up off some youtube videos is beyond me.
Actually, I was refering to the pass ball physics. In PES, the ball does something odd, it starts very fast and then abruptly slows down when reaching the end of the trajectory. In reality, the ball reacts a lot more like in Fifa, getting its pace reduced gradually for the effect of friction.
Shots in PES are good but sometimes you find some odd shots in terms of curve and ballooning, while Fifa WC to me delivered a more consistent experience. In headers and volleys, though, there's no competition and PES wins hands down in terms of ball trajectory and strength.
I'm still getting used to the demo and can't wait to try Fifa 11 to see if they really have sorted out the big flaws and to see if it's as "shallow" tactically as Fifa 10.
Shots in PES are good but sometimes you find some odd shots in terms of curve and ballooning, while Fifa WC to me delivered a more consistent experience. In headers and volleys, though, there's no competition and PES wins hands down in terms of ball trajectory and strength.
I'm still getting used to the demo and can't wait to try Fifa 11 to see if they really have sorted out the big flaws and to see if it's as "shallow" tactically as Fifa 10.
Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
I think people are just getting antsy because it's so close to that time of year where you get your hands on a brand new football game and all seems great with the world again, I'm playing the world cup game (replicated the euro qualification groups) but I really miss club competitions.
gameklip
footy klip maestro
- 25 August 2006
- Tottenham Hotspur
EA should really patch in the new england kit for their world cup game. Would have been a nice treat for our £30.00+.
Still dont understand mate really.
You are saying its harder to make short passes than long ones? Well in real life you can mess up a short pass especially under pressure. Also facing a player to pass is about right i should imagine as no one hardly passes a ball blind do they?
So what you are saying is pes is easier because the computer assists you in some kind of context when passing short or long and also allows you to play a blind pass without having to think what you are doing? Isnt that why we have assisted, semi and manual choices?
See im confused. Im playing footy tonight, 8 a side two touch. ill try and see if your theory of not facing a man to pass works.
gameklip
footy klip maestro
- 25 August 2006
- Tottenham Hotspur
lol i play 7-a-side and from monday's performance i can tell you that it doesn't work m8
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
Glad to hear this from you, as my main worry with PES 2011 has been how the game will feel to me after playing full manual on FIFA. As long as a football game gets many of the fundamentals right I can overlook shortcomings elsewhere - like animations - but I wish I had the opportunity like you to play the MLO beta and the demo before FIFA's demo is released because I bet you're right that it'll take some patience while adjusting.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to imply that everyone who plays FIFA is a casual gamer as much as he thinks, and I tend to agree, that EA designs FIFA with casual gamers in mind first and foremost. I've been playing a lot of the WC game lately, and while I'm enjoying the game, I constantly get frustrated at the game's simplicity and failure to replicate some football fundamentals. I thought we'd already come to a consensus that we here, at least most of us, are a minority group of FIFA players.
Sure but people react emotionally to statements like this:
...mainly because it's so beyond the realm of reason that it cannot be responded to in any other way. Statements like that are conversational enders and serve no constructive purpose in a rational discussion. Reminds me of threads in the EA forums where an interesting discussion gets all nutty after someone posts something like, "go away PES fanboys." Rom and Lami are right, and posts like that are a better fit for the official forums where the maturity levels rarely reach above the playground levels.
lol i play 7-a-side and from monday's performance i can tell you that it doesn't work m8
Great! Saved me the hassle!
liger05
Championship
This is what I dont understand. People go on like they have a personal stake in a game. It's crazy and I really dont see why anyone would get so worked about dicussions on a damn video game.
The short passes being harder than long ones is a real issue - it's not sort of 'short' passes it's the really short ones where it's difficult to get the right power on it - it's purely due to the range of weighting that you can do with the pass button.
A short tap with my clumsy thumbs on the direct pass button just does go too far. I sensed this issue was recurrent with FIFA 11 when I played it and immediately raised it with Gary who said he'd look into it. Pray.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
In FIFA 10/ FWC yes.
Who dosen't know that?
No, my point is if your even 10-20 degrees facing away from the player you want to pass to you end up missing the player or play a poor pass. I need to make a video illustrating this point it's better shown than described but the way passes are so dead straight is part of the issue here(no curve in any manual ground passes).
Nope, PES's new system is harder to master and much better realistically balanced compared to fifa on manual. 5 yard passes under no pressure are simple but since it's a 'semi' like system you can still totally screw up easy passes. Long passes require more precision and thought and are hard to pull off!
With fifa EVERY pass on manual requires the same amount of effort. Passes like slotting a through ball to a striker should be challenging! They are yes, but your so used to having to think about these passes and since the game balance is poor with the defense always playing a high line, every match seems the same etc.. You get used to making them. Hence why they aren't too hard!
I've never lost my manual through ball passing ability from 08, i feel very comfortable with judging the power and precision. On the world cup game even it's just as effective as the assisted one for me online even!
The problem with manual like i said is the simple 5 yard passes! Not just it's hard to get the right power to play them but they require almost as much effort as the final balls do, which gets very tedious and annoying! Especially when the game resembles a mess!
On the CPU assists you on PES, dunno, might help you with players like Xavi and co a tad, but very much can hinder you with Joe average players! It's all relative to stats!
No (read my impressions in the tread) In short the only thing easy about PEs's new passing system is 5 yard passes under no pressure.
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The reason the 5 yard passes is difficult is purely beacuse of the power though. Technically, it must be easier to make a short pass than a long one purely on the basis that you have a much bigger angle to aim at (though a running target is moving through angles faster).
The thing is you have to get it just right with a short pass because it always does it pretty firmly for a 5 yard pass.
I disagree with what you are saying with all passes requiring the same effort though - not true at all. Completely illogical really. As long as the pass isn't a really short bugger, I massively prefer a short pass to an open man than a long pass through the defence. But that's what I like with manual passing - you can pass into space. I love playing balls where, for instance I'm coming up towards a defender who's moving at me, and a man is making a run to his left but I push the ball through to his right into space and the man can run onto it. I love that freedom. My concern with PES is that it will be more like semi than manual. It's so hard to tell things about controls from videos/streams. For me this is make or break really - I know a lot of people aren't at all interested in the freedom manual gives and would be happy with a game as assisted as PES5/6 were - but for me a game which combines as much freedom as possible with realism and personality is the key. I kinda sense that manual and PES's passing probably could have a child and achieve this.
The thing is you have to get it just right with a short pass because it always does it pretty firmly for a 5 yard pass.
I disagree with what you are saying with all passes requiring the same effort though - not true at all. Completely illogical really. As long as the pass isn't a really short bugger, I massively prefer a short pass to an open man than a long pass through the defence. But that's what I like with manual passing - you can pass into space. I love playing balls where, for instance I'm coming up towards a defender who's moving at me, and a man is making a run to his left but I push the ball through to his right into space and the man can run onto it. I love that freedom. My concern with PES is that it will be more like semi than manual. It's so hard to tell things about controls from videos/streams. For me this is make or break really - I know a lot of people aren't at all interested in the freedom manual gives and would be happy with a game as assisted as PES5/6 were - but for me a game which combines as much freedom as possible with realism and personality is the key. I kinda sense that manual and PES's passing probably could have a child and achieve this.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
The reason the 5 yard passes is difficult is purely beacuse of the power though. Technically, it must be easier to make a short pass than a long one purely on the basis that you have a much bigger angle to aim at (though a running target is moving through angles faster).
The thing is you have to get it just right with a short pass because it always does it pretty firmly for a 5 yard pass.[/QUOTE]
That why i say it requires as much effort as the harder passes. That the point it was trying to make the power isn't sensitive enough with manual for 5 yard passes for me, it's usually over hit! So i have to focus al the time on getting it right. get's so tedious, it's not lik it's trying to represent football.
Thing is on FIFA 08 manual though balls gave you an advantage! That why i switched and the great freedom to put balls into space, balls which your opponent or the AI didn't see coming or couldn't read! Opens up a new world for players. I remember watching a vid of a man city player doing it, i couldn't get enough of it!
The world cup game improves from 10 and 09 since manual through balls and at least stand up to the inch perfect on rails assist one! But the game needs to be balanced so whatever controls you use shouldn't give you a huge advantage/disadvantage!
The PES manual pass/through ball modifier is defiantly better, it's much more sensitive and you have a hell of a lot more control, and there swerve
The thing is you have to get it just right with a short pass because it always does it pretty firmly for a 5 yard pass.[/QUOTE]
That why i say it requires as much effort as the harder passes. That the point it was trying to make the power isn't sensitive enough with manual for 5 yard passes for me, it's usually over hit! So i have to focus al the time on getting it right. get's so tedious, it's not lik it's trying to represent football.
Thing is on FIFA 08 manual though balls gave you an advantage! That why i switched and the great freedom to put balls into space, balls which your opponent or the AI didn't see coming or couldn't read! Opens up a new world for players. I remember watching a vid of a man city player doing it, i couldn't get enough of it!
The world cup game improves from 10 and 09 since manual through balls and at least stand up to the inch perfect on rails assist one! But the game needs to be balanced so whatever controls you use shouldn't give you a huge advantage/disadvantage!
The PES manual pass/through ball modifier is defiantly better, it's much more sensitive and you have a hell of a lot more control, and there swerve
Chelsea4ever
League 1
- 12 March 2003
There's definitely swerve on manual passes on 10/WC, just the other day I played a long-ish pass up the line with great swerve (granted, it seems to be contextual rather than user controlled, but it is in). I think it only happens with the longer pass though, which is pretty realistic imo, as in real life short sharp passes are generally straight with very little/no curve.
Totally true - the issue is in understanding why this is. The problem is basically that the passing buttons are designed for typical passing - so there isn't much sensitivity at the bottom end because otherwise it would take forever to charge a longer pass.
A suggestion I made to Gary was that the Y and A buttons (or X and Triangle) should be used for different types of passing on manual. For instance, you use A for short passes which would allow it to be a lot more sensitive for short passes, and Y for long, which would mean less charge time (and more sensitivity) for long passes. There are some issues with this of course - like, what happens if someone has manual through balls but not direct passes?
Thing is on FIFA 08 manual though balls gave you an advantage! That why i switched and the great freedom to put balls into space, balls which your opponent or the AI didn't see coming or couldn't read! Opens up a new world for players. I remember watching a vid of a man city player doing it, i couldn't get enough of it!
The world cup game improves from 10 and 09 since manual through balls and at least stand up to the inch perfect on rails assist one! But the game needs to be balanced so whatever controls you use shouldn't give you a huge advantage/disadvantage!
The PES manual pass/through ball modifier is defiantly better, it's much more sensitive and you have a hell of a lot more control, and there swerve
I think you'll find manual pass more advantageous than WC from what I played, more because assisted has been toned down, though not enough for me.
part of me feels that they should go back to the drawing board - the other part feels it's possible to work with the current system. Main thing is that it must be balanced. Manual should be more effective than semi which should be more effective than assisted (as opposed to the complete opposite).
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
Same here. My biggest concern with PES is whether I'll be able to get over the freedom of FIFA's manual passing. Based on what others are saying, I expect PES 2011's strengths to be enough for the lack of total manual to be an issue, but only with extensive play time will I know. I have a feeling I will be torn between the two games the whole year, wishing the best of both could be combined into one game.
Also, funny enough I have more problems with longer manual passes than short ones - I've become pretty good at using manual through pass for the really short passes. Although I suppose it's a possibility I've become so accustomed to manual's weaknesses that maybe I don't try super short passes anymore and I just don't realize it. For me, longer ground passes are a major issue because the time it can take to power-up the pass. It's possible I should be using lob pases for these though, dunno.
Nonetheless, as you and I have discussed Rod, they really should dedicate one button for long and one for short, because right now, aside for the first-touch bug, this is the biggest issue with playing manual. Honestly, sounds like a really simple fix and it's annoying this hasn't been figured out by now.
Really? If there's swerve on manual passes then I sure as hell have never noticed.
MindlessDrugHoover
Non-League
- 20 August 2010
I've just seen some video of the goals in the pes forum posted.....scissor kicks from 30 yards and in......and then you have people doing there very best to justify that is realistic. My gosh, denial is a wonderful thing. Perhaps people might be right in saying Fifa is not realism, but to point to Pro for realism (after what is there for everyone to see) is madness. Go have a look and make your mind up.
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
Honestly, it's a dead-end discussion - totally pointless. Both games are always going to have unrealistic elements - exaggerations of the real game - because they are in the end video games and there's huge demand for tricks etc. But there's no sense bringing this up when there's loads of vids on youtube of outrageous FIFA goals. Wepeeler's vids are sick but so unrealistic they're somewhat sickening.
MindlessDrugHoover
Non-League
- 20 August 2010
Fair enough mate...but what bugs me is that there are certain people on here condeming fifa for being unrealistic and arcadey and yet they are praising or failing to criticise these events. It's double standards galore.
Murkurial
League 1
- 21 August 2008
@MindlessDrugHoover
PES still plays like a real game of footy though.
Bicycle kick aside, I was more impressed with 1) Ball movement. 2) Net movement :p and 3) The fact that the game (in true PES fashion) seemed to have a fucking camera behind the net like in real life, and that said camera was actually rattled by the shot hitting the net.
It's the little things sometimes.
I've seen my fair share of retarded bullshit in FIFA as well though, enough to not get mad at a crazy bike in what I think was a beta version of a game that's done nothing but impress me with it's pace and overall feel since I started watching videos.
Still can't get over the lack of licenses though and I REALLY don't wanna jump ship, but if they build on 2011 and don't fuck it all up a la Moore and Rutter with 09-11, I might have to give PES a serious look.
PES still plays like a real game of footy though.
Bicycle kick aside, I was more impressed with 1) Ball movement. 2) Net movement :p and 3) The fact that the game (in true PES fashion) seemed to have a fucking camera behind the net like in real life, and that said camera was actually rattled by the shot hitting the net.
It's the little things sometimes.
I've seen my fair share of retarded bullshit in FIFA as well though, enough to not get mad at a crazy bike in what I think was a beta version of a game that's done nothing but impress me with it's pace and overall feel since I started watching videos.
Still can't get over the lack of licenses though and I REALLY don't wanna jump ship, but if they build on 2011 and don't fuck it all up a la Moore and Rutter with 09-11, I might have to give PES a serious look.
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Rob92
Guest
There's been bullshit unrealistic goals in every football game - even the great PES5...
Those goals in are pretty stupid, I agree, but I would rather see some unrealistic goals like that once in a while than see the same goal (counter attack, through ball, sprint, finesse into far corner) over and over again as I did on FIFA 10 (about 90% of the goals my club conceded must have been that goal).
Hopefully that is sorted for FIFA 11 and there's a lot more variation in the types of goal scored.
DerleiPT
Pes Master
- 29 October 2009
- Chelsea FC
,,Hopefully that is sorted for FIFA 11 and there's a lot more variation in the types of goal scored. ''
I guess more than for Pes 2011
I guess more than for Pes 2011
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Rob92
Guest
What sort of post is that?...,,Hopefully that is sorted for FIFA 11 and there's a lot more variation in the types of goal scored. ''
I guess more than for Pes 2011
Not constructive and not adding to any debate, which is usual for you I suppose.
Oh, and lol at you for voting that Pro Passing looks fine in that poll
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