Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

So am I the only that cant wait for the game?

I think from what I have seen it looks more polished, cant wait to try the CM stuff and also having the ability to play a clubs game vs the AI might be a good alternative to playing the assisted glitchers.

Sure there will be bugs/issues, but no matter how hard EA try there are folk posting here who will never accept the game for what it is. I totally agree with some of the points raised, but until next gen this is the engine.

Maybe its just my old age kicking in, but I couldnt really care less if a player done a rabona with his left foot instead of his right. In fact there would be uproar if EA spent x number of man months ensuring small things like that are implemented.
 
I'm looking forward to it big time. I too am not that fussy on alot of the stuff people are moaning about. Most players i don't know what their favoured foot is etc.

But it is very dissapointing when they put stuff like pro passing etc and it isn't as good as it is made out to be. Even more frustrating when it could be amazing but they dumb it down.

Fifa 8 and 9 I used to play online all of the time, but at the end of 9 and to 10 and WC I was heavily into manual and going online was just pointless because of ping pong passing etc etc.

So I was really hoping for a significant effect of pro passing in particular. Looking at the top teams playing it seems that pro passing doesn't have that much of an effect? and this is where it needs to be most implemented to play regularly online.

But I am still excited about Fifa. But I am very curious about Pes now aswell as it sounds like it has stepped up now aswell.

But I only want one footy game, so if I enjoy Fifa....I won't put the time in learning pes all over again. But if Fifa is soo frustrating, then I might put the hours into pes and get into that again.
 
Nice. 2 of us at least ;)

I have been playing all manual months now and it is a pain online, but satisfying when you beat the other guy. Any improvement in this dept will be welcome.

Just need to wait and see I guess how pro passing affects it.

I am glad I intentionaly missed out on WC, so I have the nice pitches to look at too :)
 
From that vid it appears strength isn't overdone like before but I'm still concerned enough has been done to correctly represent the value of skilled players.

For those of you who've played the WC game, I wonder if you've experienced the same as me: I've been successful with many of the Central European teams but seem to struggle with some of the South American teams. I'm thinking this is directly related to strength being valued more than skill in FIFA, thoughts/experiences?

DerleiPT said:
proPassing works when we play on manual settings or only on assisted ? :x
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PP has two elements: 1) user error from properly weighting passes; 2) contextual error.

Contextual error is (supposedly) a factor in all control schemes, while the user error is different for manual - it's been said the weighting is different.

Shooto said:
Maybe its just my old age kicking in, but I couldnt really care less if a player done a rabona with his left foot instead of his right. In fact there would be uproar if EA spent x number of man months ensuring small things like that are implemented.
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Until it was just mentioned, I'd never even thought about it to be honest. It probably would be a disaster if they made it so tricks were done with the preferred foot because you'd then need to learn the opposite stick movements and adjust according to the player controlled.

BobbyBox said:
But I am still excited about Fifa. But I am very curious about Pes now aswell as it sounds like it has stepped up now aswell.

But I only want one footy game, so if I enjoy Fifa....I won't put the time in learning pes all over again. But if Fifa is soo frustrating, then I might put the hours into pes and get into that again.
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I know what you mean. I haven't played PES regularly since FIFA 08 came out and I'm dreading the time it'll take to relearn, although from what I hear it's quite different from last year so everyone will have a learning curve. Still, PES is looking really promising - I'm actually more excited to get my hands on it than FIFA atm - and I think it just might be worth it this year.
 
Shooto said:
Maybe its just my old age kicking in, but I couldnt really care less if a player done a rabona with his left foot instead of his right. In fact there would be uproar if EA spent x number of man months ensuring small things like that are implemented.
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Its your point of view, and a fair one, but if you dont care about thinks like favourite foot, that have a major effect in real life football, what will you care. I´f im resembling real football, then i want my left footed player to shoot with is right foot and do tricks with the right foot, and vice-versa, not shoot with the left one or trick with is left one as if it was nothing, and never miss.

Thats the point, we are not just moaning, but its absurd to see Messi or other left footed player making a feint or a cross with is weak foot with 100 % success, all the time. Personality + should make an effect in the gameplay not just visual.

Because if we dont care about that small things ( the ones that really make an effect in real life ), then they could put 22 cilinder shape sticks, and we play. or we might go back to Sensible soccer ( great game :D )
 
mfmaxpower said:
Until it was just mentioned, I'd never even thought about it to be honest. It probably would be a disaster if they made it so tricks were done with the preferred foot because you'd then need to learn the opposite stick movements and adjust according to the player controlled.
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If you think well you already do that, depending on your player position...

In the elastico for example, if you are down the pitch the movement is clockwise, if your are up the pitch the movement is the other way round
 
h3li0 said:
If you think well you already do that, depending on your player position...

In the elastico for example, if you are down the pitch the movement is clockwise, if your are up the pitch the movement is the other way round
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I know but, at least for my sorry butt, it's hard enough to remember the stick movements quick enough to pull off tricks, and so adding the additional factor of needing to know which player I'm using and his preferred foot would probably do me in.

You might say I should know who I'm using and their preferred foot, but I'm thinking about, for example, how lately I've been going around and trying loads of different teams in the WC game. While I can pinpoint before the game who my skilled players are, I doubt I'd remember his best foot and, in the case of some of the countries, even his name!

Honestly, I'm sorry enough when it comes to doing tricks that it probably wouldn't make much a difference for me anyway. Truth be told, I find tricks in FIFA a little too difficult, but it's not really a big part of my game so in the end no big deal to me.
 
Have had the same issue's in the WC game.

Italy, Argentina and England have been solid while Spain, Holland and Brazil have been a bit poor. Sneider especially was pointless when playing with Holland. Generally stronger players have been better.

Saw nice little touches in the vid to keep possesion whilst being bundled over which is good to see.
 
klashman69 said:
The goal looks very nice.

if you discount Messi did a rabona on his right foot :CONFUSE: and the Dreadful defensive positioning!
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To be fair, on that particular occasion it's the human player who leaves the big gap for Higuain to spin into.

mfmaxpower said:
You might say I should know who I'm using and their preferred foot, but I'm thinking about, for example, how lately I've been going around and trying loads of different teams in the WC game. While I can pinpoint before the game who my skilled players are, I doubt I'd remember his best foot and, in the case of some of the countries, even his name!
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If they did it properly, the player would be so likely to instinctively dribble/control/pass the ball with his stronger foot that you would be able to tell after the first few minutes of controlling him.

Personally I think a favoured foot, both frequency and accuracy, is pretty essential to the whole Personality+ thing. I can only guess that it's a lot more effort to implement than we would first assume, otherwise it would surely be the first thing you'd add when promoting player personality.
 
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mfmaxpower said:
I know but, at least for my sorry butt, it's hard enough to remember the stick movements quick enough to pull off tricks, and so adding the additional factor of needing to know which player I'm using and his preferred foot would probably do me in.

You might say I should know who I'm using and their preferred foot, but I'm thinking about, for example, how lately I've been going around and trying loads of different teams in the WC game. While I can pinpoint before the game who my skilled players are, I doubt I'd remember his best foot and, in the case of some of the countries, even his name!

Honestly, I'm sorry enough when it comes to doing tricks that it probably wouldn't make much a difference for me anyway. Truth be told, I find tricks in FIFA a little too difficult, but it's not really a big part of my game so in the end no big deal to me.
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The elastico would be easy. You don't even have to remember anything. One way he'll do the elastico the other he'll do a reverse. Pretty simple. Tricks in FIFA are not difficult. The only difficult part is finding the space to do them. I think I got a record for Rainbow Flicks over the keeper in clubs.
 
Pretty much all the tricks currently have a similar trick mapped to the opposite gesture. Both tricks use the same foot but, for example, one way you may have the elastic but the opposite will be the hocus pocus.

For the most part there are also equivalent tricks for lower ratings too - instead of a heel chop there's something a bit like a fake shot; instead of the McGeady spin they've now got that Berbatov Turn and flick; instead of the turn-right-and-then-scoop-left, they've got a simple cut inside.

It's just a case of mapping these according to the player's footedness, making sure rabonas use the correct foot and/or for tricks to have inaccuracy.
 
nerf said:
To be fair, on that particular occasion it's the human player who leaves the big gap for Higuain to spin into.


If they did it properly, the player would be so likely to instinctively dribble/control/pass the ball with his stronger foot that you would be able to tell after the first few minutes of controlling him.

Personally I think a favoured foot, both frequency and accuracy, is pretty essential to the whole Personality+ thing. I can only guess that it's a lot more effort to implement than we would first assume, otherwise it would surely be the first thing you'd add when promoting player personality.
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Fair enough. I guess the worst that'd happen anyways is that I'd do the wrong trick! And that's if I even pulled it off to begin with!

Agreed about the importance of preferred foot, although I'd say it should come second after first touch ability. Nonetheless, I really hope I'll be able to feel the differences between players more than I can see them in the vids when I play the game.


ant0n said:
The elastico would be easy. You don't even have to remember anything. One way he'll do the elastico the other he'll do a reverse. Pretty simple. Tricks in FIFA are not difficult. The only difficult part is finding the space to do them. I think I got a record for Rainbow Flicks over the keeper in clubs.
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Maybe not hard for you but I've scared-off most of my braincells - I'm lucky if I remember what day of the week it is much less all the different controller combos for FIFA tricks!
 
mfmaxpower said:
Fair enough. I guess the worst that'd happen anyways is that I'd do the wrong trick! And that's if I even pulled it off to begin with!

Agreed about the importance of preferred foot, although I'd say it should come second after first touch ability. Nonetheless, I really hope I'll be able to feel the differences between players more than I can see them in the vids when I play the game.




Maybe not hard for you but I've scared-off most of my braincells - I'm lucky if I remember what day of the week it is much less all the different controller combos for FIFA tricks!
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Gaming is not for you then. lol. Seriously though, I like this way of doing tricks than the PES way. I like how you can basically control each leg of a player when doing a stepover and things like that.
 
Shooto said:
So am I the only that cant wait for the game?
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I'm looking forward to it. I certainly don't want to play FIFA10 any more, that's for sure, so I know I'll be playing either FIFA11 or PES2011. And with regards to the latter, I only have one question: does it have full manual controls? If the answer is still no, it's a non-starter. It would take something special to get me to return to assisted now.

So I'm hopeful for FIFA11, without expecting too much. It's not going to be the great leap forward to realism that we'd ideally wish for, but if they can give me an improved FIFA10 with the bugs and the irritants (defensive AI, player selection logic, etc) cleaned up, I might be able to have fun with it.

I don't play online, so if the game looks bad when demonstrated by two pressure-whoring one-two-abusers (no sh*t), I'm not going to get unduly worried about that just yet.
 
Feck me! Rutter just replied at my twitter post concerning the developers gameplay video from today.

I said:

@ruttski Where has pro passing gone?In official gameplay vid EVERY pass is 100% accurate...
@ruttski The constant pressuring at fast pace makes the game look arcadey with no time on the ball equals slow build up! Dissapointed
@ruttski Edit: NO slow build up. It's a loss for the thinking man's game. In real life possesion is lost most by bad passing or bad control.


@Sc0rp1o Which video are you talking about? Are they all laser rockets? Or are some over and under hit?

Here's hoping he'll listen to us!
 
Surely his question is basically - was pro passing on or off? In which case, it's on, in which case, I don't think you're going to get anywhere, because my fear is they don't really see the issue.
 
h3li0 said:
Thats one major concern about individuality, all players do theyr tricks with right foot. Since fifa 10 that i´m moaning about this.


This year with individuality, i was hopping this to be fixed, but no.

The same with player shooting. I don´t know what they´re doing all year bragging about personality + and pro passing, we see no real differences, and the TYPE of game remains the same, wich is worrying.

There should be just 2 modes available, SEMI for everyone, and MANUAL for the hardcore ones,
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Ok, i see your point man :) But

After the World Cup game and FIFA 10 say fuck manual! Yes, me a manual player! I can't be bothered with that shit anymore. Semi controls is the way forward for FIFA imo!

With manual there's no way of it replicating player individuality in terms of accuracy due to their stats, without lessening the freedom! The game is just a mess when playing manual vs manual. No matter how good each player is!

What i realized with manual i think was intend for 11 vs 11 more than anything! Manual isn't supposed to make the game hard like people think its for! It's a choice in which is supposed to give you much more control in regards to passing, shooting etc.. etc.. I think people including myself for a long time has misunderstood this completely!

On manual at many times a simple 5 yard pass is harder than a defense splitting through ball? Where's the balance there? I believe EA put this in for 08 so people who played in 5 vs 5 had great control over the single player they were using. Also for virtual pro.

The key is for the game to be built to be balanced. Then have a choice between normal (assisted) or hardcore (semi). Semi should be a like assisted but user input will matter a lot more in terms of accuracy and power.

StuartCulli said:
YouTube - Best of Hjerpseth (FIFA 10)

*Sigh...*
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I have a new stance on goals compilations.

The goal is only as good as the defending. Since the defending was truly atrocious in pretty much every situation. Those goals bore me!

Also i think romi is onto something about his mates playing shit on purpose allowing him to score these goals. I can't see those crazy abusers getting done by this guy!

Dam, i do think i've seen one FIFA 10 video i've enjoyed!
 
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Are you only just seeing this, Stu? If you put tricks in a game people will... use them?

Anyways, regarding using your wrong foot for the robana. Higuain tries a shot on his left and completely fluffs his lines in the same vid. Why is no one mentioning that? The one on his right foot was a peach though.

And i honestly wouldn't put it past messi doing that on his right foot. He chipped the keeper with his right foot last weekend. No point limiting him too much ingame.
 
gameklip said:
Are you only just seeing this, Stu? If you put tricks in a game people will... use them?

Anyways, regarding using your wrong foot for the robana. Higuain tries a shot on his left and completely fluffs his lines in the same vid. Why is no one mentioning that? The one on his right foot was a peach though.

And i honestly wouldn't put it past messi doing that on his right foot. He chipped the keeper with his right foot last weekend. No point limiting him too much ingame.
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He's scored loads in real life with his right, it's not impossible but it dosen't represent a player's 'one footed' nature. Or demonstrated any of this mysterious pro passing!

But tbh i think to get the best out of this game is to play with teams like Basel, Young Boys or Club Brugge etc..
 
gameklip said:
Are you only just seeing this, Stu? If you put tricks in a game people will... use them?
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No, I haven't seen this the first time. It just frustrates me how incredibly easy it is to pull off. I'm thinking Fifa will never go down the sim route now. It's makes more much sense business wise for EA to stay in this mode.

And the game isn't a mess manual vs manual; it's the closest to a realistic experience there is. Due to error being involved. Much like in the real world of football, when a player misplaces his pass, tough tits. It was his/her's fault. I don't see how this can be considered a 'mess' compared to what the game comes like out of the box.
 
It made me laugh how they purposely showed Crouch coming on as a substitute for Lennon to highlight the height difference because whenever they do mention having changed the height difference they seem to specifically mention those two players and those two players only.

Now if only Crouch isn't instantly really strong because he happens to be tall and Lennon weak and easy to push off the ball because he happens to be small EA might be onto something good.



For the tricks the only thing that i find really backwards about the system is how hard it is to pull off one of the easiest and most widely seen tricks, the step-over, on a consistent basis (or multiple ones) without accidentally doing another trick because of the convoluted mapping system on the right stick.
 
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StuartCulli said:
And the game isn't a mess manual vs manual; it's the closest to a realistic experience there is. Due to error being involved. Much like in the real world of football, when a player misplaces his pass, tough tits. It was his/her's fault. I don't see how this can be considered a 'mess' compared to what the game comes like out of the box.
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I had some games on the World Cup 2010 on manual slow (through the lobbies) and when you sit back and play manual for what it is. It's just so poorly balanced in relativity to what should be easy and what should be hard.

It's a joke that trying to slot your striker in using the through ball, long passes up the pitch are so much easier than stringing 2-3 short 5 yard passes together. I don't mean ping pong, i mean just to retain possession and build an attack :CONFUSE:

Assisted is a pure arcade game for me. Manual is certainly better but it's not for 1 vs 1 at all! The amount of times you make ridiculous passes when the ball flies around all over the place. Its only good because there is skill required and there is error involved! That's it really. Doesn't make it a great game.
 
klashman69 said:
I had some games on the World Cup 2010 on manual slow (through the lobbies) and when you sit back and play manual for what it is. It's just so poorly balanced in relativity to what should be easy and what should be hard.

It's a joke that trying to slot your striker in using the through ball, long passes up the pitch are so much easier than stringing 2-3 short 5 yard passes together. I don't mean ping pong, i mean just to retain possession and build an attack :CONFUSE:

Assisted is a pure arcade game for me. Manual is certainly better but it's not for 1 vs 1 at all! The amount of times you make ridiculous passes when the ball flies around all over the place. Its only good because there is skill required and there is error involved! That's it really. Doesn't make it a great game.
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Referring to the bold, italic & underlining;

I don't relate to that at all.

I don't recall having much trouble playing 5-10 yard passes when I'd cracked manual. I think you're confusing these passes as being hard to pull off with the actual situation of where you need to make the short pass. As I've said before, it's simple to just pass the ball up the field without thinking about where the defense is positioned, cos there's simply nothing that stops you.

Playing the 5-10 yard pass across the pitch is just not seen as an option in Fifa; you have to force it. It's NOTHING like football.

That's my problem with Fifa and it's a fucking big one.
 
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StuartCulli said:
Referring to the bold, italic & underlining;

I don't relate to that at all.

I don't recall having much trouble playing 5-10 yard passes when I'd cracked manual. I think you're confusing these passes as being hard to pull off with the actual situation of where you need to make the short pass.
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I've cracked manual, i've been playing i since 08! I'm not a newcomer who's struggling to get to grips with it. I can put passing moves together :).

What my biggest problem is the fact you always have to face your intended target and no passes are curved whatsoever! The facing the player you want to pass to thing really annoys me! I don't want 180 passes to be easy, No NO, but why is it fucking being just a few degrees from facing my intended target make passes 40% so annoying?

I want the game to simulate how difficult it is to make an 180 degree pass, but NOT pass in the opposite direction to where i aimed it to simply because he wasn't facing in that direction.:RANT:

You get a lot of this happening which does render matches to become a mess!

Shooting is also a nightmare in regards to player positioning. (for anyone no matter how they are) You have no hope in scoring unless your facing the goal directly, even if your say 30-40 degrees facing away from it' you will shoot off target!

I can play manual but if you look at it for what it is. It's broken in many respects. I'll play you if you want, maybe i could show what what i mean better than way :)
 
BobbyBox said:
Some of Fabregas touches looked Fabregasesque, so that was nice. Also Ronaldo looked a little distinguishable, but nothing major in that department aswell?
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I prefer the term Cescesque and the Ronaldo running animation looks alright but they still run like man sized children in a Pixar movie. They clearly didn't create a jogging dribble animation so it's always going to look a bit weird and herky jerky if you don't just go into an all out sprint everytime you get the ball with him.

Rob92 said:
Also, why would EA choose that as their official gameplay video? Surely it would have made much more sense to post a match played on semi/manual played at a slower pace with some nice goals in it? It's like they just said "right guys, this next match will be our official gameplay video"... Yeah, really makes sense to advertise the worst part of your game (assisted).
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Have you seen the defending tutorial where Tyler tells you that the way to get the ball away from another player is with the "Press" button? It's pretty obvious what EA want to promote.

gameklip said:
I've noticed from the vids that defenders and midfielders are really indisciplined in fifa. it leads to wild end-to-end play with little time on the ball at any point due to a lack of space.

The first goal in this vid is nice though:

YouTube - Xbox Fun Day 2010 - Prezentacja gier cz. 1

starts @ 7:10

the new need for speed by criterion looks sick though btw.
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First off, you have no idea how much time I spent on Need For Speed II, and the Hot Pursuit games. So many ridiculous tracks too.

Secondly, I scored a goal like that first one in FIFA 08 only the line kept it's shape and Van Persie just simply made a lovely run behind them for a very short chip over the line. Not that 20-yarder. Not sure what the defense was doing in that one either. Not trying to shit on that goal, it just instantly reminded me of one that I'll probably never be able to replicate and couldn't record at the time. :CRY:

mfmaxpower said:
More importantly, there are aspects of the game that can clearly be seen without needing to actually play the game, like poor defensive AI, lack of first touch, little strategic play, passing accuracy, etc. Still, I for one am keeping an open mind until I play the demo, especially considering the fairly positive impressions of those who played the demo last week. And in the end, the vast majority of us will be buying the game I'm sure.
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I'm really starting to dislike the way FIFA plays; especially after that PES video. It's just receive pass, turn, pass again to someone who will always be open UP THE FIELD, not to the side of you. Or, pass, someone's running you down, pass again quickly which always looks too quick and never looks realistic. How many times have you seen someone getting chased down and have to pass up to two strikers, both of whom seem to be completely surrounded by the oppositions backline with nobody making a run down the wing?
 
http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/fifasoccer11/video/6274809?tag=topslot;title;5

It seems silly pointing out little points in a video but this is a perfect example of perfect suction control, and simultaneously the '90 degree crazy movement with the ball' problem. Check out 7:55 of the video, where Clichy takes the ball off Ronaldo....

And also following stuff like Messi doing the Rabona with his wrong foot... I mean seriously, how can you have personality plus and still allow this to be in the game? I've seen those say that it cause complications cause it would be hard to remember how to do the move if u didn't know which foot the player was, but you could just solve that by making one direction always do the elastico no matter what foot the player is, and they'd do it with their correct foot, and the same for the other direction.

I'm still very excited for the game but I'm disappointed to see after another whole year all these seemingly simple things are still in the game. From the videos I've seen I am genuinely excited about PES again and FIFA might really have created a lot of trouble for themselves if PES is half as good as it looks.
 
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