Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

[AsterNzeyii]

Dude is PES a game or your wife? u think u deserve brownie points or something. I aint got no loyalty to no game. I buy the game if its good and not on some BS emotional tie to a videogame.

I think you're absolutely right. I can understand that people find one game more amusing to play, but if that one game stagnates and an other one pops in that's clearly the better you should play the latter one.. You should play the GAME you want to play, not the FRANCHISE

Because if you think a game is not quite good enough, but you still buy it, you're sending out the wrong message to the company.. They may claim so, but if the FIFA sales are high, no way they are going to change anything. The people on the forums who give actual feedback, are about 0.01% of the buyers of the game

 

[Androctonvs]

I really think you guys are spoiled.

FIFA has come a long way, converted A LOT of people from PES, and now is getting all this bashing because it's good enough to be asked to be PERFECT. Well, not even PES6 was perfect.

Old-gen PES, since PES3, was just changing and tweaking little things until it peaked @ PES6. Really, there wasn't ANYTHING that changed the game in a way that you could say it was mind blowing. That's not "dropping the ball", like I've read (concerning FIFA11), that's knowing you're on top, you're doing great and you don't have to take risky and stupid moves just for the sake of it.

This game is leagues ahead of its competition and yet it's seems like you guys think it's piss poor.

Back in FIFA08, fans wanted responsiveness, but now we've got great responsiveness that makes for an AWESOME GAMING experience (remember PES6?), people are moaning about it.

Come on. Be reasonable.

Congrats for the EA team for another great game. I'm putting my money that it's probably the best soccer game ever.

 

[tonnyrat]

Originally Posted by EA_GaryPaterson View Post
Damn, forgot stamina (I'll add to OP now):

- Increased effect on sprint speed when short term energy is low
- Increased effect on acceleration when short term energy is low

I have created videos on this but our video editor was busy making videos for today so we have not been able to release. Hopefully soon.

Thanks,

...

 

[winston]

Player vs CPU.

http://www.presstart.it/multi/gamescom-video-di-fifa-11.html

CPU obliterated the player with that turn. Di Maria pulled some nice realistic moves off there LOLOL @ the goal though

Yeah, the turn for the goal was great, as was the run. The fact it was Real makes it plausible. But if Accrington, et al, play like this too (just like all the minnows played like gods in Euro2008), it will be less impressive.

The other positive is that the radar didn't fade away.

The cpu also misplaced a pass right at the end, although that was probably FIFA10 style, as it took play back for an earlier foul, so it didn't actually lose possession. Not convinced this is an indication of pro-passing for the cpu, as everything else was pixel perfect....but it was Real...

 

[StuartCulli]

I really think you guys are spoiled.

FIFA has come a long way, converted A LOT of people from PES, and now is getting all this bashing because it's good enough to be asked to be PERFECT. Well, not even PES6 was perfect.

Old-gen PES, since PES3, was just changing and tweaking little things until it peaked @ PES6. Really, there wasn't ANYTHING that changed the game in a way that you could say it was mind blowing. That's not "dropping the ball", like I've read (concerning FIFA11), that's knowing you're on top, you're doing great and you don't have to take risky and stupid moves just for the sake of it.

This game is leagues ahead of its competition and yet it's seems like you guys think it's piss poor.

Back in FIFA08, fans wanted responsiveness, but now we've got great responsiveness that makes for an AWESOME GAMING experience (remember PES6?), people are moaning about it.

Come on. Be reasonable.

Congrats for the EA team for another great game. I'm putting my money that it's probably the best soccer game ever.

You're deluded.

 

[tonnyrat]

I really think you guys are spoiled.

FIFA has come a long way, converted A LOT of people from PES, and now is getting all this bashing because it's good enough to be asked to be PERFECT. Well, not even PES6 was perfect.

Old-gen PES, since PES3, was just changing and tweaking little things until it peaked @ PES6. Really, there wasn't ANYTHING that changed the game in a way that you could say it was mind blowing. That's not "dropping the ball", like I've read (concerning FIFA11), that's knowing you're on top, you're doing great and you don't have to take risky and stupid moves just for the sake of it.

This game is leagues ahead of its competition and yet it's seems like you guys think it's piss poor.

Back in FIFA08, fans wanted responsiveness, but now we've got great responsiveness that makes for an AWESOME GAMING experience (remember PES6?), people are moaning about it.

Come on. Be reasonable.

Congrats for the EA team for another great game. I'm putting my money that it's probably the best soccer game ever.

You do realize people are acting like this because:
-the community was shown videos of new features making a huge difference that were not present in the most recent videos
-community members were invited to play early copies of the game and gave rave reviews only to be negatively surprised about the most recent build(s)
-the same problems that have plagued the series since its introduction to next-gen are still present

They promised and showed the community what they wanted to hear...

 

[ant0n]

so the ref wears the same colours as the teams?? BUG

this and Pique and Villa cock up leads me to think BUG FEST!!

I know its only the demo but come on..

Yep. At least we ain't getting fooled this time around.

 

[BobbyBox]

Some of the animations look nice though. Looks like new animations for recieving the ball at different heights on the body? Dribbling looks a bit more fluid aswell?

Trying to find positives

 

[Rodelero]

I don't know, even looking at some later gameplay from that vid, the guy with Barça never really reaches the optimal pass strength as indicated by the power gauge, and yet the passes always reach the target partially because the defense doesn't do shit. There's one instance when Barça are going right to left where Messi is played on with a throughball that clearly doesn't have the requisite amount of power on it and yet the Chelsea back-line just stand there lost until he picks the ball up again and then they give chase. By then it's faaaar too late.

Actually, check the vid out again from 1:45 on. I think it's Pedro who make the through pass for Messi. The pass to Pedro doesn't have enough power on it, Chelsea doesn't try to intercept it, the pass from Pedro to Messi is made without even looking, with his back nearly completely turned away from the direction he's about to pass it in, and there's no directional error (not supposed to be able to turn that off so I assume that it's on. I suppose the fact that optimal power isn't put on the pass can be forgiven considering it isn't really played ahead of Messi, but he still ends up having to catch up to the ball for some reason and that back-line is still damn near asleep.

It seems that the user-controlled part of Pro Passing is far too forgiving. I mean, the difference between weighting it terribly and weighting it perfectly is really not noticeable enough. One of the things I picked up on very early on in the testbed video is that the contextual error works a lot more in terms of direction than weighting - so the weighting error HAS to come primarily from the user. Evidentially - this ain't going to manage it. That particular point where that ping-pongy sequence happens was three badly weighted passes in a row. In fact, you know what? I'm almost certain the guy just stupidly tapped the pass button each time.

Is that when you go to do playtest. If so, and I know it goes w/o saying, hoping for some good feedback because everything he's listed, those videos don't show at all.

Also don't like the "slightly slower." Pressing and acceleration should be MUCH slower than FIFA 10.

Acceleration needs to be enormously slower as you say - and it needs to be MASSIVELY changed by stamina, definitely. I'll do my best when I give feedback to be as honest as possible - but it's difficult.

The main thing to not do in these playtests is to play it like how I play FIFA 10 - so I'll try to break it. I plan to be pretty ruthless if it's way under scratch. Who knows.

In other news, the EA Defence Force is out in strength. I can't believe how many people think there is nothing seriously wrong with those videos.

 

[Rob92]

FM's match engine is so superior to what we're seeing in these FIFA videos.

The AI, game speed, tactical depth, player individuality, passing error, variety of goals etc. is immensely more realistic than FIFA...

 

[Jamezinho]

Watching these videos makes me feel like I've jumped into a time machine back to Gamescom 2009.

I don't think the fast pace of the game is the main issue. For me it's a case of Fifa 11 looking tactically the same as Fifa 10. The AI behaviour looks no more advanced.

 

[Jumbo_]

I dont think the animations look good at all, they look totally unnatural.

 

[gameklip]

Gary updated his post with this:

Damn, forgot stamina (I'll add to OP now):

- Increased effect on sprint speed when short term energy is low
- Increased effect on acceleration when short term energy is low

I have created videos on this but our video editor was busy making videos for today so we have not been able to release. Hopefully soon.

Thanks,

hmm.. it really could be a that we got some poor vids earlier cause the one i posted last and the other one with the ADHD cameraman were quality and showed nice decent play.

I'll mention positives as we haven't mentioned them thus far. And as much as you're annoyed with EA for the lameduck gameplay we've seen in few vids, we can't let it blind us completely from the improvements.

+ Love the player models now.
+ Fluidity between animations.
+ New animations (form Messi's run style to that beautiful Higuain turn).
+ Defensive positioning has improved a lot.
+ Long shots have more believeable dip.
+ CPU does believable turns to get around you with decent dribblers.
+ Presentation looks good.
+ Pace isn't that bad in the new vids.
+ Heading and crossing looks good.

- Pressure. Sweet jesus.
- Braindead AI and non-effective tactics (from the vids)
- Weak foot should mean WEAK FOOT.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Not impressed at all by the videos - I saw one thing which pleased me which was a player that was seemingly pressuring getting skinned by a change in direction, reminded me of PES of old. That said, there's no proof that the pressure button was held or whether this is a rare occurence...

There's no excuse for ping-pong passing or inch perfect assisted passing - PES5 and 6 never had "Pro Passing" or made a point out of "Personality+" yet you couldn't do ridiculous passing on either of them and had to build up your attacks and wait for an opportunity to play the often risky final pass... On FIFA you just pass forwards and to the wings, making one-twos until the defensive AI fucks up and lets you through, then you play the percentages with the finish with what you know has a high chance of going in...
This is just how FIFA is and has always been and I don't see it changing in FIFA 11 - It's just not natural or realistic and shoves in your face that it's a video game.

PES is looking more promising than FIFA this year, I have to say.

exactly my same opinion. im fed up of FIFA. awful unrealistic borefest. You simply cant play "realistic" football in FIFA anymore. too many stupid defensive AI mistakes. too many ASSISTED kids, too many exploits and too many of the same sort of shitty goals.

i've had it. if fifa 11 doesnt change in a big way all i can say bye bye fifa, hello PES!!

Those videos are poor. very very poor. i will judge from the demo and hope ot god fifa 11 is a massive improvement

 

[mfmaxpower]

This game is leagues ahead of its competition and yet it's seems like you guys think it's piss poor.

No way. I've been checking out the PES info this afternoon and their gameplay videos, and I gotta say that I'm pumped for PES for the first time in a few years. Yes, watching FIFA you get a bit more sense of freedom, but not by much. But PES gameplay! Looks very very good, and their player models - yes some animations still need work - blow EA's cartoon-like players out of the water.

Of course we shouldn't jump to conclusions before playing both demos, and final versions for that matter. BUT, at the moment PES is looking extremely promising, while FIFA 11 looks like a hybrid of 10/WC without any major improvements. I find myself liking Rutter, and I really want FIFA 11 to be great, but right now I'm very skeptical when it comes to FIFA while increasingly optimistic for PES.

 

[jonneymendoza]

You do realize people are acting like this because:
-the community was shown videos of new features making a huge difference that were not present in the most recent videos
-community members were invited to play early copies of the game and gave rave reviews only to be negatively surprised about the most recent build(s)
-the same problems that have plagued the series since its introduction to next-gen are still present

They promised and showed the community what they wanted to hear...

+1..

i'd be honest. i thought PES6 (PC version) was better than fifa 08-10. better as in much more fun for me imo. hardly any exploits, more variety of goals and none of this ping pong bullshit.

i miss PES and hope the new PES is awsome. Some people here are forgetting that us veteran members where PES fans before fifa turned decent.

 

[tonnyrat]

Originally Posted by Xaor View Post
The pace of acceleration still seems way, way up on reality to me. It's nigh on instantaneous for good players. I know that EA said that the acceleration curve was like 2.5 seconds for FIFA 10 - for whom? Frankly, 2.5 seconds is probably too fast for Theo Walcott let alone Puyol.

Yes, its way up on reality. According to my research it takes about 6 seconds (for the fastest players) to get to max speed - this would be unplayable. In real life players have more senses and more control in order to control their momentum and decide where to position etc. As I said in the article you are paraphrashing, we sometimes have to mimic the concepts that exists in real life but not necessarily take it verbatim as this would not create a fun game.

For FIFA it takes from 2.5 to 4 seconds to get to max speed depending on your acceleration and sprint speed attributes. This is much slower than PES or FIFA has ever been, with the exception of FIFA08.

Thanks,
EA_GaryPaterson

ugh...

 

[mfmaxpower]

+ Love the player models now.

Really? I think it's one of the worst parts about FIFA. Watching PES vs FIFA gameplay vids, I'm amazed how much more life-like the PES players are.

I'm not talking about animations here, as PES still has some quirky ones, though they also have some that are better than FIFA's now.

 

[CarlitosCZE]

I really think you guys are spoiled.

FIFA has come a long way, converted A LOT of people from PES, and now is getting all this bashing because it's good enough to be asked to be PERFECT. Well, not even PES6 was perfect.

Old-gen PES, since PES3, was just changing and tweaking little things until it peaked @ PES6. Really, there wasn't ANYTHING that changed the game in a way that you could say it was mind blowing. That's not "dropping the ball", like I've read (concerning FIFA11), that's knowing you're on top, you're doing great and you don't have to take risky and stupid moves just for the sake of it.

This game is leagues ahead of its competition and yet it's seems like you guys think it's piss poor.

Back in FIFA08, fans wanted responsiveness, but now we've got great responsiveness that makes for an AWESOME GAMING experience (remember PES6?), people are moaning about it.

Come on. Be reasonable.

Congrats for the EA team for another great game. I'm putting my money that it's probably the best soccer game ever.

Well said Another problem is that many people are still living in the past, where FIFA was the arcade game and PES the realistic one, even when the situation changed in last 2 or 3 years.
FIFA can by thousand miles better than PES but they will still call it an arcade game and PES will still be the FOOTBALL game for them. I loved PES (3 to 6, I even liked 2008), but I never enjoyed a football game more than FIFA 10 on manual controls. Its simply the most rewarding experience. I would never trust I would say that...
It looked like PES will be back on the right way with 2010 (I believed it!), but after seeing all videos, you just see ale the pathetic and annoying things you saw in 2008/9/10 are still there.
Of course FIFA has also its flaws, but at least for me theyre not as critical as in PES. Im not a fanboy of PES or FIFA, I will play the game I find better...
Im also a little dissapointed about the p+ and pro passing we have seen so far, but overall I would be happy with evolution from FIFA 10, I dont need revolution. Wasnt this Konamis way some years ago?

 

[Jamezinho]

At the end of the day EA always have, and probably always will, cater for the pick-up-and-play casual crowd. It's a trend that has been evident in the EA Sports franchises for a long time, and it's something they have to do the secure the sales they need to stay afloat. So why rock the boat when Fifa is selling by the million? The average Joe will still lap-up the game every year. People like us are just the vocal minority that want something deeper and more realistic, but we're just that - a minority.

 

[Rob92]

+1..

i'd be honest. i thought PES6 (PC version) was better than fifa 08-10. better as in much more fun for me imo. hardly any exploits, more variety of goals and none of this ping pong bullshit.

i miss PES and hope the new PES is awsome. Some people here are forgetting that us veteran members where PES fans before fifa turned decent.

I agree about PES6 being better than FIFA 08-10, but IMO PES5>6.

Hell, from what I remember even PES3 had no ping-pong passing, better teammate AI/positioning, better defensive AI and better variety of goals, as well as crossing + heading/volleying being so much more convincing than any of the FIFAs and this was the third attempt on PS2, the first with what seemed like a new engine and this was released almost 7 years ago...

Comparing FIFA to real football just shows how shocking it actually is... Football is generally played at almost walking pace, with pace injected in the final third, this is unless the team plays with a very fast tempo or desperately needs a goal... FIFA is constantly at a ridiculously fast pace, even in the defence and midfield... EA just don't understand football at all.

 

[Nick Cave]

Boy this threads gone nuts I have some reading to do, I see we have feedback from EA I hope they don't over react or get the wrong idea and cut the quick players wings and we have auto catch up mania...

 

[Gab_]

At the end of the day EA always have, and probably always will, cater for the pick-up-and-play casual crowd. It's a trend that has been evident in the EA Sports franchises for a long time, and it's something they have to do the secure the sales they need to stay afloat. So why rock the boat when Fifa is selling by the million? The average Joe will still lap-up the game every year. People like us are just the vocal minority that want something deeper and more realistic, but we're just that - a minority.

Because the reason they are so big now is because of us "hardcore" football lovers. They have always used to cater the casual pre fifa 08, that didn't really work that well. When/if the hardcore (I hate this word) football people switch back to PES again they will lose a lot of half casuals that will always follow whatever the hardcore people does and says. They can't have the casual players as their target again, that will lead them to pre fifa 08 sales in the end (it's always lags behind, so if hardcore people leave for pes now we'll see the decline in 2-3 years, it was the same with how PES lost their hardcore crowd).

I don't think FIFA is that way off though, if they just go over the top like PES does with more extreme difference in attributes, it could just as well play pretty realistic I think.

 

[jonneymendoza]

At the end of the day EA always have, and probably always will, cater for the pick-up-and-play casual crowd. It's a trend that has been evident in the EA Sports franchises for a long time, and it's something they have to do the secure the sales they need to stay afloat. So why rock the boat when Fifa is selling by the million? The average Joe will still lap-up the game every year. People like us are just the vocal minority that want something deeper and more realistic, but we're just that - a minority.

PES 1-6 has proven time and time again that a deep realistic sports game can sell millions too.

You see mate, when it comes to sports games, i would say that MOST people interested in that type of sport want to play a game as real as it can be not dumbed down arcade pap. This is why PES 1-6 has sold MILLIONS, probably A LOT more than fifa because the majority actualy do want a realistic footy game, not a pick up and play casual affair.

thats just my thought anyway as im sure fifa 01-07 diddnt sell millions. and u wanna know why? because it was arcade pick up and play bullshit.

Konami basically gifted the crown back to EA with this piss poor PES07-10 implementations.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Because the reason they are so big now is because of us "hardcore" football lovers. They have always used to cater the casual pre fifa 08, that didn't really work that well. When/if the hardcore (I hate this word) football people switch back to PES again they will lose a lot of half casuals that will always follow whatever the hardcore people does and says. They can't have the casual players as their target again, that will lead them to pre fifa 08 sales in the end (it's always lags behind, so if hardcore people leave for pes now we'll see the decline in 2-3 years, it was the same with how PES lost their hardcore crowd).

I don't think FIFA is that way off though, if they just go over the top like PES does with more extreme difference in attributes, it could just as well play pretty realistic I think.

exactly another way of explaining my point. WELL SAID.

 

[Gab_]

exactly another way of explaining my point. WELL SAID.

Thank you. Great minds think alike.

 

[gameklip]

Really? I think it's one of the worst parts about FIFA. Watching PES vs FIFA gameplay vids, I'm amazed how much more life-like the PES players are.

I'm not talking about animations here, as PES still has some quirky ones, though they also have some that are better than FIFA's now.

Yep. Anyone who played WC and FIFA10 would know the gorrillas in that game had no resemblance to their real life counterparts. Even the scene in the gamersyde vid with pique getting injured impressed me. The kit is the right tone finally, the arms are the right length. He has shoulders! SHOULDERS alleluja!! Socks up to his knees etc. It looked pes-like and that's the finest compliment i could give it. And his face has been done, which is quality. Not sure what more you want? Some even have jewelry on their fingers now. They've definitely stepped up there.

Look, we have a maximum of 5 vids for FIFA11. 2 of them suck dick and guess what? Those two are controlled by human input only. Let's just calm down. Gary's comments are reasurring in the sense that at least they know wtf is going on with their game.

BTW I love the look of PES this year and have championed the new look since the first vid released in May(?). EA got caught NAPPING on this one. EA's game still looks better imo but something about PES' gravity defying, pumpkin-head wearing athletes is sucking me in this year. It just looks possible to do more fun things with more ease in PES2011. It reminds me a lot of PES6.

EA really need to freshen the AI. Right now you can almost predict where you can and can't get tackled and where you'll be pressed more than a carton of Tropicana (with bits). Lets have your own attacking AI seeing gaps and running into them, trying to recieve ball to feet please.

Anyways, I'm excited for both games as you can see. I spent a lot of time on PES3,4,5 &6 and This seems like the right time to give it a go again but I still reckon FIFA will be the better package once all is said and done.

 

[Murkurial]

It seems that the user-controlled part of Pro Passing is far too forgiving. I mean, the difference between weighting it terribly and weighting it perfectly is really not noticeable enough. One of the things I picked up on very early on in the testbed video is that the contextual error works a lot more in terms of direction than weighting - so the weighting error HAS to come primarily from the user. Evidentially - this ain't going to manage it. That particular point where that ping-pongy sequence happens was three badly weighted passes in a row. In fact, you know what? I'm almost certain the guy just stupidly tapped the pass button each time.

Yeah, this is what I forgot to mention in my post. Whatever the distance the bar was from the optimal passing strength point, I didn't feel like it was enough. In fact, if it's not right on the spot, you should see some difference in the pass. But it looks as though, like you said, there's a fair bit of leeway given if the strength isn't quite on point. It almost seems like you'd have to literally tap the button to really see a long pass like Pedro's to Messi not make it there.
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Another worry of mine can be found in THIS vid. At about 4:45 a passing sequence starts for Chelsea and right at 4:49, 4:50 you see a pass poorly trapped (or so I thought) by what looks like Mikel. At first I'm like, awesome, too much weight on a pass, harder to trap. But then I wondered why the Pro Passing meter set the optimal pass strength point so high in the first place when Mikel was a few feet away from the guy passing him the ball and then I realized that it was most likely because the pass was supposed to going to the guy further down the screen. Are there going to be problems with player locking much like the problems with player switching where you might want to pass to someone closer to you, but it'll instead choose someone further away? I don't even think that the pass, underhit as it may have been, was too hard to bounce off Mikel's foot like it did and STILL reach Anelka. Though it did get intercepted.

 

[Shooto]

Because the reason they are so big now is because of us "hardcore" football lovers. They have always used to cater the casual pre fifa 08, that didn't really work that well. When/if the hardcore (I hate this word) football people switch back to PES again they will lose a lot of half casuals that will always follow whatever the hardcore people does and says. They can't have the casual players as their target again, that will lead them to pre fifa 08 sales in the end (it's always lags behind, so if hardcore people leave for pes now we'll see the decline in 2-3 years, it was the same with how PES lost their hardcore crowd).

I don't think FIFA is that way off though, if they just go over the top like PES does with more extreme difference in attributes, it could just as well play pretty realistic I think.

EA/KONAMI are so big because they know how to make money. Hardcore gamers for want of better word are but a drop in the ocean when it comes to sales. If all Evo-web didn't buy fifa or pes they wouldn't even notice.

It is strange to see all the negativity surfacing from a few shaky cams from gamescon. Wait till the demos land and we can try for ourselves.j

 

[liger05]

EA/KONAMI are so big because they know how to make money. Hardcore gamers for want of better word are but a drop in the ocean when it comes to sales. If all Evo-web didn't buy fifa or pes they wouldn't even notice.

It is strange to see all the negativity surfacing from a few shaky cams from gamescon. Wait till the demos land and we can try for ourselves.j

Which is why its crazy to see people think that PES is only played any bought by core gamers. Plenty casual gamers play PES.