FIFA 10 360/PS3 Demo Feedback + Videos

Chris Davies said:
If you just hammer the pass button on fully-assisted - which you can do - then of course it's going to be fast, there's not much they can do about that bar ban you from pressing the pass button more than once every 5 seconds!
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I actually disagree a bit. PES5 is fully assisted passing, and there is no way you can pingpong pass in that game. Basically Konami has programmed the passing to be alot worse at tight angles, both in terms of accuracy and power. Also the more passes you string together without controlling the ball, the more wild the ball becomes, and it bounces around and becomes hard to both pass and receive due to this (doing first time passing means that you can't actually stick the ball to the ground at any point, so once the ball starts bouncing there is very little you can do to calm it down save for dampening it somehow). So even if you have 2 players standing 10 meters from each other, if you just do 1st time touches from player to player, after 3-4 passes the ball start bouncing around, and pretty soon one of the players will have to do a quite awkward pass when the ball is 30cm from the ground. Keep in mind this is fast wellpaced passes, obviously if you can just strike passes rolling on the ground this wouldn't be an issue, but once you put more pace on the passes, the controllability should suffer alot more than it currently does.

EA could also worsen the accuracy and power for awkward outside-of-the-foot passing that is currently quite accurate, and also make the accuracy suffer alot more as soon as the ball start being more and more uncontrolled, and that would impact both manual as well as Assisted players, and put a more reasonable and realistic limit to how you can pass. And, most likely, they would only need to modify behaviors already in the game, such as how the accuracy changes as you pass in wider angles from your bodys "front direction".
 
Jamezinho said:
So you're telling me I don't like the game and don't want to like the game, even though I've already said I think it's a step up on 09 (which I liked, just got bored of)?:?

The fault I raised doesn't exist because you said so, even though others have complained of the same things? Do you want only positive feedback here as well?

Yes, you're sounding like an arse.

Look, I have Fifa10 pre-ordered and I intended it to stay that way. It will offer a different take on football to PES and that will probably be a good thing for football gamers. All I've said is that there are a few gripes I had with Fifa09 that I'm still seeing in Fifa10. If you think Fifa10 is perfect then great, but I doesn't mean that the opinions of me, matherto and a few others don't count.
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As Cammey would say " and so it begins " The mods are going to be busy come PES demo time.:P
 
drekkard said:
I agree with some things, but it's evident you can HOLD the ball with a small player in this game against the CPU. I'm NOT talking about dribbling, I'm talking about Xavi and Iniesta turning around themselves to protect the ball as they do in reality. 9 out of 10 times, the CPU will push him or simply dispossess him and that's it. When the ball is at Xavi or Iniesta's feet I want to have the moment of pause to see the passes, not to dribble an oncoming train all the time or being dispossessed no matter what I do.

That's a clear fault of the game. I love the game, but this is clearly something they have to work on more and sometimes irritates me because there should be more turnovers due to intercepted passes and not because someone run onto someone else. That's quite obvious and most of us will agree, as well as we all agree that the dribbling system is great.
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Again, I think that's perfectly attainable. The R2/RT to shield the ball works brilliantly as something to tap, rather than hold, because the player in possession can now stop and start quite quickly. You can tap R2 to get your body in the way and then instantly push off in another direction. I also feel, contrary to what someone raised in an earlier post, that the L2/LT dragback is extremely useful. In my last game I sprinted along the flank with Cissoko, and then quickly tapped L1 to put my foot on the ball. In one slick movement(the foot was still hovering above the ball after trapping it) I quickly dragged the ball back and inside, leaving Yaya Toure kicking the air as I then pushed inside.

I'm not entirely disagreeing that physicality is very strong (arf) in this game, and it's certainly easier to reap the benefits of a strong player than a skilful one; however I think there's a lot more depth in this game than we can possibly evaluate in a day and a bit.
 
Romagnoli: You're right. We shouldn't make too much of our first impressions. They will change over time and hopefully it's a long time before we get tired of this game. With that said. This is after all a thread about first impressions of the demo and my first impressions is really good but...

I just hoped that great passers should stand out more. Especially central midfielders. Sure anyone can see the difference in strength, speed and dribbling between players but I would have hoped too see greater differences in flair and passing abilities as well. That's just my first impressions though...
 
Jamezinho said:
Do you want only positive feedback here as well?
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Do you want me to quote 20 posts I've made on FSB that are nothing but negativity about the game? Do you want to search my posts and find the negative things I've said on here?

I have plenty of negative things to say about the game. The goalkeepers are letting in goals in situations where the ball is moving at a snail's pace right next to their head, it's as if they're blindfolded in the demo sometimes - literally blindfolded, if they stick a hand out it's in the wrong direction - and if the full game is like that, it's going to be a nightmare. People are holding onto the fact that there's a bug with the "1 out of 99" positioning stat in the demo, but I've seen it happen with the goalkeepers who don't suffer from this bug. I've passed a ton of reports and videos onto EA over the last 24 hours in the desperate hope that this isn't going to be present in the final game but personally, I'm really worried.

How's that for negativity, do you want me to continue or should I just PM you the list? It's two forum pages long.

(Incidentally, if you think FSB is anything like WENB, check out the individual thread(s) saying "GAME IS WAY TOO EASY CPU IS CRAP" or words to that effect. They're kept open and they're discussed. Negativity is not banned on our side, which is visible in all the demo-related threads.)

Jamezinho said:
Yes, you're sounding like an arse.
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I thought I would. Sorry but that's my opinion, just like you're entitled to yours. I am all for fault-finding, I am all for moaning - as anyone will tell you after six years of being here moaning about anything and everything.

But how can some people experience incredible individuality, and others experience barely any? Either their stats are effecting their game, or they're not. The individuality in this matches PES as far as I'm concerned - bar the PES effect of pulling passes off-target straight to opposition players quite as often. Maybe it's slightly less restrictive, which to me is a good thing but not to everyone I know.

My only possible explanation is that you want to hate the game. I'm sorry that that makes me sound like an arse. And yes, there are people who agree with you. But it's a very small percentage, and having hammered the demo myself - AND AFTER FINDING PLENTY OF FAULTS - this is the total opposite of what I'm experiencing.

I apologise for sounding arsey.
 
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I use semi passing and I still see loads in inaccurate passes where the player hasn't controlled the ball and it's been really hit poorly. More noticable than in 09 I think.
 
StayingPower said:
Sprinting roughly 120 yards in roughly 20 seconds doesn't seem unrealistic to me. I just did a quick google and Northern State's training program has them doing 120 yard sprints in 17-20 seconds.
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YouTube - Weah vs. Verona - a classic

George Weah manages it in 12 seconds from box to box, including running at angles to avoid players and a bit of a scrap in the middle. He's not even running at full tilt!

Remember that edge of box to edge of box knocks 36 yards off the total; that'd knock 17-20s down by a quarter to a third, depending on the pitch size.

Stuartyd - nice, been trying to do a bridge for ages now! Every one-on-one I have I try to beat the keeper like that. Not managed it yet :(

Edit: balls. Was going to post a vid of some sterling Cannavaro defensive work. It wasn't a dramatic slide tackle or a last ditch block though - just expertly holding the right position to defuse a dangerous Chelski break before muscling Drogba off the ball and passing it away. Consequently I obviously thought it was a bit too wanky and didn't save it after all.
 
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Chris Davies said:
Do you want me to quote 20 posts I've made on FSB that are nothing but negativity about the game? Do you want to search my posts and find the negative things I've said on here?

I have plenty of negative things to say about the game. The goalkeepers are letting in goals in situations where the ball is moving at a snail's pace right next to their head, it's as if they're blindfolded in the demo sometimes - literally blindfolded, if they stick a hand out it's in the wrong direction - and if the full game is like that, it's going to be a nightmare. People are holding onto the fact that there's a bug with the "1 out of 99" positioning stat in the demo, but I've seen it happen with the goalkeepers who don't suffer from this bug. I've passed a ton of reports and videos onto EA over the last 24 hours in the desperate hope that this isn't going to be present in the final game but personally, I'm really worried.

How's that for negativity, do you want me to continue or should I just PM you the list? It's two forum pages long.

(Incidentally, if you think FSB is anything like WENB, check out the individual thread(s) saying "GAME IS WAY TOO EASY CPU IS CRAP" or words to that effect. They're kept open and they're discussed. Negativity is not banned on our side, which is visible in all the demo-related threads.)


I thought I would. Sorry but that's my opinion, just like you're entitled to yours. I am all for fault-finding, I am all for moaning - as anyone will tell you after six years of being here moaning about anything and everything.

But how can some people experience incredible individuality, and others experience barely any? Either their stats are effecting their game, or they're not. The individuality in this matches PES as far as I'm concerned - bar the PES effect of pulling passes off-target straight to opposition players quite as often. Maybe it's slightly less restrictive, which to me is a good thing but not to everyone I know.

My only possible explanation is that you want to hate the game. I'm sorry that that makes me sound like an arse. And yes, there are people who agree with you. But it's a very small percentage, and having hammered the demo myself - AND AFTER FINDING PLENTY OF FAULTS - this is the total opposite of what I'm experiencing.

I apologise for sounding arsey.
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Chris is no Mr. PES (aka- Adam) :P
 
Chris Davies said:
Do you want me to quote 20 posts I've made on FSB that are nothing but negativity about the game? ...............
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We'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. There's no point arguing over what is down to opinion. I know of plenty of people who feel the same way as I do about the game but they wont come in here a voice their opinions. Probably best if I do the same.

I just don't like being tagged as a Fifa-hater because, trust me, that is not the case at all.
 
Jamezinho said:
We'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. There's no point arguing over what is down to opinion. I know of plenty of people who feel the same way as I do about the game but they wont come in here a voice their opinions. Probably best if I do the same.

I just don't like being tagged as a Fifa-hater because, trust me, that is not the case at all.
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You like the automated Messi cuts and Ronaldinho flip flaps.We get it.
 
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Teams aren't defending narrow enough. There's far too much space in midfield, and playing crossfield balls is almost pointless as the defending side is spread out across the field anyway.

It's possible to fix this in the full game by adjusting the team width for every team, but that is a lot of work.

Othwr than that, the FIFA 10 demo is great. Biggest improvement for me is how much more dangerous someone like Messi is with the ball at his feet, running at defenses.
 
There's no need to push it, we'll just have to disagree like he said. I know he's no PES fanboy, I just find the comments strange because it's so far away from what I'm seeing. I did sound like an arse. Perhaps I'm just frustrated because he's one of the guys I was hoping would be really impressed with 10 because I know he stopped playing 09 and usually we have the same kind of thoughts and feelings about PES/FIFA.

In all fairness I didn't feel any individuality at the Emirates, which I said in the FSB podcasts several times, but now I do. I'm thinking it's because we only had three hours on it at the Emirates but now that I've been able to sit down and play it again in a different environment, and really hammer it to see the depth that's there, more and more is coming out with each play. It will come to the point where it runs dry but I hope that's not any time soon.
 
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I'm going to download the PES 2009 demo tomorrow and see what I'm missing from the FIFA 10 demo which makes PES the better game.

Because I remember playing the PES demo last year and it was awful. I've just watched a vid in the PES thread of some goal compilation and the animations, ball physics (stopping dead, no randomness aspect when deflecting, nearly all the goals involved a ball seeming to move in a straight line into the net with no sense of physics other than it was hit in a direction and continued in that line), graphics and ping-pong passing just seemed like something I played in the arcades years ago.

I still remember sitting for hours editing the names on my copy of PES on the PS1. Hell, I remember loving ISS on the SNES! I just find it hard to believe that I used to be a massive PES fan and now the game does nothing for me at all.

I put on the FIFA demo and it's so close to watching a real game on TV. The graphics, presentation, animations, physics and general look/feel of the game make it a far better game in my opinion.
 
Sorry chaps but it's just not for me.

I'm just not enjoying it and that is not to say that it's not good, it just does not suit my footy games taste.

I hope all those who are impressed have a great time playing it, but I need alot more convincing before continuing with my pre-order.
 
Dr Force said:
Sorry chaps but it's just not for me.

I'm just not enjoying it and that is not to say that it's not good, it just does not suit my footy games taste.

I hope all those who are impressed have a great time playing it, but I need alot more convincing before continuing with my pre-order.
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Well you gotta explain yourself buddy.
 
i love this game and the freedom it gives you to do almost anything especially i feel when i play this game i think every one has noticed how good it feels to control messi. a also love how loose the ball feels at first i thought all the teams played the same till i realised i was using the same pes style run and gun all the time till i learned to play like the teams im controlling then i noticed the change immediately then it started reminding me of the old pes games when you would use specific players for different tasks and i noticed the 360 dribbling when i stopped looking too hard but all in all im very impressed
 
Dr Force said:
Sorry chaps but it's just not for me.

I'm just not enjoying it and that is not to say that it's not good, it just does not suit my footy games taste.

I hope all those who are impressed have a great time playing it, but I need alot more convincing before continuing with my pre-order.
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:BYE:
 
I just wish that they would sort out the frequency use of weaker foot.It's as if every player is 2 footed in the game, it kills the realistic aspect of things very importantly
 
Has someone figured out how to switch feet yet before you shoot? I've just remembered this!

Incidentally I've just loaded up the demo to play, three times in a row, and it's locked up the console when it asks you to choose your demo team. I don't think I'll be able to play it again. I have angered the FIFA Gods by expressing my goalkeeper concerns. :(
 
Not really sure what they meant with the switching foot thing. If it is while running with the ball I guess it only has to do with changing direction. Otherwise if the switch is a bigger movement maybe they just meant a quick skill dribble to get it to the other foot and then make the shot.
 
Using 360 degree dribbling you can do a "turn" which doesn't really look like a turn, just a very small change of direction which would put your player in a body position where it would be easier to using their stronger foot, I do this just before I shoot if I have space and it works as shifting the ball onto the preferred foot. I'm not sure if there's meant to be a specific way to do it though.
 
Jamezinho said:
Only someone who joined last month would think a well respected and intelligent poster like Dr Force is a troll.
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so I get a pass. :SMUG:

Either way you gotta give people reasons for why you feel the you feel about something if you are to post on a forum.
 
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