FIFA 10 360/PS3 Demo Feedback + Videos

DagsJT said:
You think the players on PES run more realisticly? :SHOCK:
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Don't be silly Dags, I want to stab someone when I see the running animations on PES :RANT:

But still, they look terrible on FIFA now as well, it's like EA have been watching Konami and said "cor blimey! look at the way they run, thats perfect that is, lets try it!'

And I really, really don't get why they've made the players so thin?

stahre said:
This can be the best football game ever made... IF... the make the game slower.

Slow settings, all manual, still too fast. This is so frustrating cause I feel the game is there "underneath" the high speed. I just thinks that build-up play would be more rewarding with slower gameplay. Especially now that we have all the tools such as passing, shooting, dribbling this year.

Sounds stupid when this is my only complaint but to me the speed is a gamebreaker.
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I think part of it is the fact everything feels so light, so there's nothing slowing it down, it just feels like you're pinging a golfball around.

Then again, if you have it on slow setting, and you try a sprint, the players seem to take forever to get anywhere.
 
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stahre said:
This can be the best football game ever made... IF... the make the game slower.

Slow settings, all manual, still too fast. This is so frustrating cause I feel the game is there "underneath" the high speed. I just thinks that build-up play would be more rewarding with slower gameplay. Especially now that we have all the tools such as passing, shooting, dribbling this year.

Sounds stupid when this is my only complaint but to me the speed is a gamebreaker.
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Certainly not a gamebreaker for me but I'm starting to wish the speed was a bit slower really. I'm very happy with the speed as it is but a little slower would improve it in my opinion.

The more I play the demo, the more I enjoy it. The shooting in particular is just superb :D

Also if anyone thinks they don't have enough time on the ball, hold LT as your player receives it. The opposition will obviously move to your player but they'll stand off instead of rushing in for the tackle. It makes a pretty big difference to the pace of the game :)

Obviously the CPU will still go in for tackles straight away if it's got a good chance of getting the ball but, for the most part, it slows the game down and you have that bit more time to look around :TU:
 
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I think the game speed on slow is fine. I think it'd be better if it was 5% slower but I think it should be possible for players at top speed to cover lots of ground the way they do.

It's important to note that an increased match length will almost definitely make things seem slower if previous PES and FIFA's are anything to go by.
 
WILDSTER180774 said:
Question for you Chris, do you think that the game speed that we played mainly at the Emirates was better? and that it seemed slower than 'slow' setting on this demo version?
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I don't know to be honest mate, I think it may have been because we were pissing about instead of playing it "seriously" (i.e. trying desperately to beat the CPU playing out of its skin). We were - well I know I was - just experimenting with the buttons half of the time. It does feel faster, and I don't like the speed of it on normal, but it's not the running of the players - it's the passing of the ball, passpasspasspasspass.

I think it's a combination of the increased ball speed and the CPU playing like a fully-assisted little bitch.

As I've just said on FSB...

If you just hammer the pass button on fully-assisted - which you can do - then of course it's going to be fast, there's not much they can do about that bar ban you from pressing the pass button more than once every 5 seconds!

If I just walk around the field - or run around the field - without kicking the ball, on the slow speed, the players move at the speed they would in reality. They're not running like sprinters at the olympics. Therefore, it's not the speed of the game that's too fast. At the very most, it's the speed of the passing, but if they reduce that then you won't be able to get the ball to your players without it being intercepted.

Also bear in mind that you're playing a 90 minute game condensed into 3 minute halves in the demo. Take a look at the video on the FSB front page, does that look too fast to you (genuine question)? Maybe when you put the halves up to 6 minutes - which is the new default half length I believe - it's not as frantic, because player urgency will be reduced etc... Just a random thought.

Jamezinho said:
I find playing against Chicago fire feels no different to playing the other top European teams. They all play the to the same level.
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All I can say when you say this is that you're seeing what you want to see. :ANX:

I played as Chicago Fire v Chelsea (a friend, not the CPU) this afternoon and got murdered. I couldn't compete, not just because of the speed difference, but because of the skill difference. Passes were going astray, dribbling was a nightmare, their defenders had the strength to win the ball (without it feeling like a cheat - it would happen in reality so it happens here)... Absolute fact, I couldn't get NEAR them.

Could not disagree with you more, so I don't know what to tell you. I'm not trying to sound like an arse when I say this - although it definitely will sound like I am - but you just don't want to like the game, so you're not going to. There is no point in you picking up the final version because you don't like it now and you won't like it then.

You can come up with faults - I am all of the time because I've already said what was great at the Emirates, now is the time for finding faults and trying to get them fixed before it's too late. But the fault you're talking about here does not exist and how you come to the conclusion that you have, I have absolutely no idea. But enjoy PES 2010 anyway...!
 
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Chris Davies said:
I don't know to be honest mate, I think it may have been because we were pissing about instead of playing it "seriously" (i.e. trying desperately to beat the CPU playing out of its skin). We were - well I know I was - just experimenting with the buttons half of the time. It does feel faster, and I don't like the speed of it on normal, but it's not the running of the players - it's the passing of the ball, passpasspasspasspass.

I think it's a combination of the increased ball speed and the CPU playing like a fully-assisted little bitch.

As I've just said on FSB...

If you just hammer the pass button on fully-assisted - which you can do - then of course it's going to be fast, there's not much they can do about that bar ban you from pressing the pass button more than once every 5 seconds!

If I just walk around the field - or run around the field - without kicking the ball, on the slow speed, the players move at the speed they would in reality. They're not running like sprinters at the olympics. Therefore, it's not the speed of the game that's too fast. At the very most, it's the speed of the passing, but if they reduce that then you won't be able to get the ball to your players without it being intercepted.

Also bear in mind that you're playing a 90 minute game condensed into 3 minute halves in the demo. Take a look at the video on the FSB front page, does that look too fast to you (genuine question)? Maybe when you put the halves up to 6 minutes - which is the new default half length I believe - it's not as frantic, because player urgency will be reduced etc... Just a random thought.


All I can say when you say this is that you're seeing what you want to see. :ANX:

I played as Chicago Fire v Chelsea (a friend, not the CPU) this afternoon and got murdered. I couldn't compete, not just because of the speed difference, but because of the skill difference. Passes were going astray, dribbling was a nightmare, their defenders had the strength to win the ball (without it feeling like a cheat - it would happen in reality so it happens here)... Absolute fact, I couldn't get NEAR them.

Could not disagree with you more, so I don't know what to tell you. I'm not trying to sound like an arse when I say this - although it definitely will sound like I am - but you just don't want to like the game, so you're not going to. There is no point in you picking up the final version because you don't like it now and you won't like it then.

You can come up with faults - I am all of the time because I've already said what was great at the Emirates, now is the time for finding faults and trying to get them fixed before it's too late. But the fault you're talking about here does not exist and how you come to the conclusion that you have, I have absolutely no idea. But enjoy PES 2010 anyway...!
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When you play the Fire you see that their passing percentages are rather high. But you also see that their finishing ability is not that great, they are not as fast, and that it's easy for you to get many chances. The only problem now is that maybe their passing accuracy is too high. But it's certainly better than 09.

On another note, I think the cross field passing is pretty good.

Messi!
Best goal I've scored in FIFA.

This one was pretty good.
Titi to Xavi
 
romagnoli said:
It's important to note that an increased match length will almost definitely make things seem slower if previous PES and FIFA's are anything to go by.
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Hopefully this is a kind of psychological aspect which could feel better with longer matches but my main problem is that the game "forces" me to response so quickly due to high speed and (still) a bit too much pressure. There's no time to think and decide what to do when you get the ball.

Still, first day purchase. I can always play with lower ranked teams which should decrease the speed.
 
stahre said:
Hopefully this is a kind of psychological aspect which could feel better with longer matches but my main problem is that the game "forces" me to response so quickly due to high speed and (still) a bit too much pressure. There's no time to think and decide what to do when you get the ball.

Still, first day purchase. I can always play with lower ranked teams which should decrease the speed.
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Like I say, hold LT while you receive the ball and the opposition player marking him will stand off ;)
 
matherto said:
So I've just played 6 games, random teams each time so I've got an idea of most of them if not all.

There is no individuality at all between teams or players, any of you saying there is are just bullshitting.

It's far too easy on assisted and simply frustrating on manual.

The shooting doesn't feel any different apart from the placed shots which are actually worse than 09.

I hate the player models, and the way the run just looks silly, plus it looks and feels like they're floating on the pitch.

Plus this happened to me as well.

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/9144484

Which is rediculous.
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schocking...
anyway, all i can tell u is: wait for pes2010 and hope its good...
 
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DagsJT said:
Like I say, hold LT while you receive the ball and the opposition player marking him will stand off ;)
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Thanks mate but I already use it all the time since 09. I may get used to it and maybe it's not about the actual game speed but the high pressure and fast AI passing. Well well... off to play some more :)
 
Those people defending the individuality are talking about the AI players and not their own.

If you play as Chicago Fire and you make a run with a player, and then do the same thing with Messi, it feels exactly the same.
 
matherto said:
Those people defending the individuality are talking about the AI players and not their own.

If you play as Chicago Fire and you make a run with a player, and then do the same thing with Messi, it feels exactly the same.
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I haven't played with Chi-town yet but I have with Chelsea and it feels completely different. A diamond midfield with a bunch of CMs will do that you.You have to play differently.
 
matherto said:
Play with both of them and then tell me you played in different ways.
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i did, and it makes a lot of diference...
Actually i dont evan need to go that far...playing with Barca or Chelsea already makes a HUGE diference for me. With barca i try to dribble players use skills and short passing a lot more(possesion football) due to their players, while with chelsea i play a lot more direct style of football using long passes and throught balls more, most of the time ending up reling on the body strenght of their attackers...

I dont know if u can play the oposite style with each team, maybe/problaby u can, but i dont thinkt thats the right approach for it...Once ive heard a great line about games: no game will be realistic if u dont play it realisitc... thats why when i use barcelona i have my mind set for their style of play trying to get the best out of their qualities, same goes for players, when i get messi, i try to think what would messi do in this particular situation, and i try to execute taht maybe thats why i see so much player individuality in this game and others dont.
 
ant0n said:
Too many 1-on-1's still.
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Yeh EA need to have the defence drop off a lot deeper to open the midfield more. It so obvious.

The quicker the defense drop off (which is what happens in real life) after an attack breaks down the more space opens up in midfield. This would all but stop the 1-on-1 problem. It's not as bad as in 09 however. 09 I could get a goal when i wanted on legendary by the end of it. I tried the same shenanigans in the demo and 1 defender would always be covering for the dinked through-ball. Problem is if you're controlling xavi/iniesta/ribery/ etc your through-balls will always cut through teams, regardless.

To the poster earlier, i play on semi auto (no point stressing myself with the 3minute demo) and find the cross field passing to be amazing. I'll post a vid on Youtube. Haven't done any examples yet.
 
matherto said:
Those people defending the individuality are talking about the AI players and not their own.
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If I shoot with Lampard, I can get a good shot off. If I shoot with Carvalho it's a crap, limp, shit shot.

If I move around with Messi nobody can get near me. If I move around with Ibrahimovic I feel like I'm going to fall asleep, he's a lazy git.

This is not imagined, because if I play a friend and I choose Chicago, I lose by 3-4 goals. Every time. I have to pass it around and play intelligently to give myself a chance of only losing 1-0. If I play as Chelsea I can be as creative as I want to be.

Look, you don't want to like the game and what you're saying, 99% of people are disagreeing with. EVEN THOSE WHO DISLIKE THE GAME. So you are not only in the minority, you're in the minority of the minority.

It's fine, think what you want, but don't expect anyone to agree with you, because I've only seen you and Jamezinho say anything like this after reading three forums every five minutes over the past 48 hours. Even the guys who dislike the game are complaining about everything else BUT the individuality and the ball physics.

I agree that the average players may not be individual enough, but the majority of players in this demo are individual as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I waited to offer my two cents on the demo because I've been occupied in all sorts of things. I may say I specially agree with Wildster in most of his views of the demo. To make it short:

Positives:

I think EA has nailed all the "controllable" things. I mean, everything you control with the pad is spot on for me, just great. Controsl feel right and there's more player individuality than before.

Even though I have put it in short, the improvement is massive and it's great and they done a marvellous job. There's all you need to have a 10/10 football game. But...

Negatives:

- Game Speed / Space / Closing down
Even though I think speed is a tad too fast, the main problem comes from old... CPU AI is pathetic and kills the joy. It's as if they delivered us a perfect gem and shit on it the CPU AI. The way they close you down constantly, hoe they deliver inch perfect passes most of the time, the way Chicago can put infinite pressure all the time is piss poor. And stamina is yet to have an impact on the game. I know it's a 3 minuted demo, but still...

- Strength and Speed against the rest
I want Xavi and Iniesta to be key players in this game but it's impossible with this speed, the constant pressure of CPU in the midfield and the fact that STRENGTH > SKILL in any situation. That kills the joy, because in this game anyone will prefer to have Essien than Xavi in midfield, and I find this to be a personal defeat for me, I was expecting skill to be at least as important as strength. For example, anyone can push Xavi even from behind and siposses him easily, while in real life it's almost impossible to do. It's so obvious Speed and Strength are overacted...

- Rigid tactics
One thing I hate is they haven't corrected some tactical aspects that kill the experience for me. I'm a barcelona fan so I'm desperate for ball possession. So I do a lot of passes to finally create a chance. Let's say I end up crossing the ball. What happens in the game 90% of the times is that defenders clear the ball to a mate (or end up winning any battle for the ball against my skilled but papermade Xavi and Iniesta who are never in the RIGHT positions) and then the opponent has 50 meters clear ahead of them to run the counter. In real life, if you have possession and advance, you force your opponent to close in its own area, and it's hard for them to go out. In the game, it's uber-easy to counter, because the opponent striker is ALWAYS unmarked in the midfield, and your defenders totally unaware of him. That means that once you have crossed and missed the chance, the opponent simply runs the field (your midfield is unexistant by then) or simply does a 25 yrds pass to the striker who is always alone to receive the ball. This is crap and it bored me to death in fifa 09. They haven't change a thing tactically, I'm gutted. In short, it doesn't matter how you play because there are "scripted" positions that make the tactical side of the game to feel totally "scripted".

- Team styles
Finally, the CPU AI makes all the teams play exactly the same... I'm not talking about the result or 1 vs 1 situations (Messi can destroy Chicago defenders 1 by 1 given the space), I'm talking about the way they play tactically and strategically.

- Individualitzation
By the way, there is definitely some player individualization. Don't try to cross or long pass with Abidal, don't try long shots with Iniesta, don't try heading with xavi... That said, I think it's not enough. There should be even MORE differentiation between players.

I know it sound so negative, but really like it and I think it will be the best football game out there, but as long as there has been a HUGE improvement on a lot of things, some fundamentals of the game remain a brake for the experience.
 
drekkard said:
I waited to offer my two cents on the demo because I've been occupied in all sorts of things. I may say I specially agree with Wildster in most of his views of the demo. To make it short:

Positives:

I think EA has nailed all the "controllable" things. I mean, everything you control with the pad is spot on for me, just great. Controsl feel right and there's more player individuality than before.

Even though I have put it in short, the improvement is massive and it's great and they done a marvellous job. There's all you need to have a 10/10 football game. But...

Negatives:

- Game Speed / Space / Closing down
Even though I think speed is a tad too fast, the main problem comes from old... CPU AI is pathetic and kills the joy. It's as if they delivered us a perfect gem and shit on it the CPU AI. The way they close you down constantly, hoe they deliver inch perfect passes most of the time, the way Chicago can put infinite pressure all the time is piss poor. And stamina is yet to have an impact on the game. I know it's a 3 minuted demo, but still...

- Strength and Speed against the rest
I want Xavi and Iniesta to be key players in this game but it's impossible with this speed, the constant pressure of CPU in the midfield and the fact that STRENGTH > SKILL in any situation. That kills the joy, because in this game anyone will prefer to have Essien than Xavi in midfield, and I find this to be a personal defeat for me, I was expecting skill to be at least as important as strength. For example, anyone can push Xavi even from behind and siposses him easily, while in real life it's almost impossible to do. It's so obvious Speed and Strength are overacted...

- Rigid tactics
One thing I hate is they haven't corrected some tactical aspects that kill the experience for me. I'm a barcelona fan so I'm desperate for ball possession. So I do a lot of passes to finally create a chance. Let's say I end up crossing the ball. What happens in the game 90% of the times is that defenders clear the ball to a mate (or end up winning any battle for the ball against my skilled but papermade Xavi and Iniesta who are never in the RIGHT positions) and then the opponent has 50 meters clear ahead of them to run the counter. In real life, if you have possession and advance, you force your opponent to close in its own area, and it's hard for them to go out. In the game, it's uber-easy to counter, because the opponent striker is ALWAYS unmarked in the midfield, and your defenders totally unaware of him. That means that once you have crossed and missed the chance, the opponent simply runs the field (your midfield is unexistant by then) or simply does a 25 yrds pass to the striker who is always alone to receive the ball. This is crap and it bored me to death in fifa 09. They haven't change a thing tactically, I'm gutted. In short, it doesn't matter how you play because there are "scripted" positions that make the tactical side of the game to feel totally "scripted".

- Team styles
Finally, the CPU AI makes all the teams play exactly the same... I'm not talking about the result or 1 vs 1 situations (Messi can destroy Chicago defenders 1 by 1 given the space), I'm talking about the way they play tactically and strategically.

- Individualitzation
By the way, there is definitely some player individualization. Don't try to cross or long pass with Abidal, don't try long shots with Iniesta, don't try heading with xavi... That said, I think it's not enough. There should be even MORE differentiation between players.

I know it sound so negative, but really like it and I think it will be the best football game out there, but as long as there has been a HUGE improvement on a lot of things, some fundamentals of the game remain a brake for the experience.
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Great post Drekkard! Couldn't agree more.
 
Chris Davies said:
Look, you don't want to like the game and what you're saying, 99% of people are disagreeing with. EVEN THOSE WHO DISLIKE THE GAME. So you are not only in the minority, you're in the minority of the minority.
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Are you forgetting that I'm a FIFA fan Chris?

Why on earth would I not want to like the game? I have no faith in Pro Evo, I've loved FIFA the past couple of years, and all my mates will probably be getting FIFA 10, so why on earth would I not want to like it?

Simply put, it's an opinion, I came in with high hopes and they've been dashed, just cause I'm in a very small minority doesn't mean I don't want to like the damn game.
 
matherto said:
Are you forgetting that I'm a FIFA fan Chris?

Why on earth would I not want to like the game? I have no faith in Pro Evo, I've loved FIFA the past couple of years, and all my mates will probably be getting FIFA 10, so why on earth would I not want to like it?

Simply put, it's an opinion, I came in with high hopes and they've been dashed, just cause I'm in a very small minority doesn't mean I don't want to like the damn game.
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But you are saying there is no difference in style between Chicago and Chelsea. To say this you are either blind or you don't want to like the game. You mean to tell me Chirs Rolfe on the Fire can dribble like Messi and finish like him? Is Brian McBride a tank like Drogba? Man this situation reminds me of WENB forums. How sad.
 
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