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stahre said:
Hopefully this is a kind of psychological aspect which could feel better with longer matches but my main problem is that the game "forces" me to response so quickly due to high speed and (still) a bit too much pressure. There's no time to think and decide what to do when you get the ball.

Still, first day purchase. I can always play with lower ranked teams which should decrease the speed.
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TBH mate I've noticed that in the second half, the play open up more and the pace slows a tad due to fatigue. The best players thrive in that moment. The longer version of the game should ally most of our worries. (It was the same in the FIFA09 demo really. By release we had few qualms with game speed).
 
brunnoce said:
yeh, 100% diferent...
Messi is a little devil in this game.. if u learn how to use skills dribble well u can really do a lot of damage with him.
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There are vids already coming out showing how dangerous he can be. Just wait. Some of you guys will curse skilled dribbling when you see what some of the more skilled FIFA players can do out there with the skilled dribble combined with tricks and 360 movement.

:lol Even me and my meager skills can maneuver messi into some amazing positions. Can't wait until the full game to run at some tired defenses with Messi. :)

edit: the skill vs strength argument will end once EA bloody finally release a vid showing us how to jostle effectively. I've won some jostles with essien using iniesta by hammering LT and leaning toward the ball. He sitcks a leg out trying to guide it back into his run (ofcourse Essien keeps pushing you that whole time), it can last for quite a bit until they call for their 2nd defender. lol
 
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I've just sat down to play the demo now after not playing it since 2pm.

First game I did, on World Class, Chicago v Chicago. Yes, it lets you do that. Normal game speed.

Go and try that and tell me it's not slow as fuck - on NORMAL game speed. On slow game speed it would be way too slow, to the point of looking totally unrealistic!

The five-star teams just pass it around ridiculously on world class, on any speed. That's what the problem is, IMHO.
 
gameklip said:
To the poster earlier, i play on semi auto (no point stressing myself with the 3minute demo) and find the cross field passing to be amazing. I'll post a vid on Youtube. Haven't done any examples yet.
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Please do, I want to see it. It could be my technique being poor - do you tap pace control before hitting the pass or something?
 
drekkard said:
I waited to offer my two cents on the demo because I've been occupied in all sorts of things. I may say I specially agree with Wildster in most of his views of the demo. To make it short:

Positives:

I think EA has nailed all the "controllable" things. I mean, everything you control with the pad is spot on for me, just great. Controsl feel right and there's more player individuality than before.

Even though I have put it in short, the improvement is massive and it's great and they done a marvellous job. There's all you need to have a 10/10 football game. But...

Negatives:

- Game Speed / Space / Closing down
Even though I think speed is a tad too fast, the main problem comes from old... CPU AI is pathetic and kills the joy. It's as if they delivered us a perfect gem and shit on it the CPU AI. The way they close you down constantly, hoe they deliver inch perfect passes most of the time, the way Chicago can put infinite pressure all the time is piss poor. And stamina is yet to have an impact on the game. I know it's a 3 minuted demo, but still...

- Strength and Speed against the rest
I want Xavi and Iniesta to be key players in this game but it's impossible with this speed, the constant pressure of CPU in the midfield and the fact that STRENGTH > SKILL in any situation. That kills the joy, because in this game anyone will prefer to have Essien than Xavi in midfield, and I find this to be a personal defeat for me, I was expecting skill to be at least as important as strength. For example, anyone can push Xavi even from behind and siposses him easily, while in real life it's almost impossible to do. It's so obvious Speed and Strength are overacted...

- Rigid tactics
One thing I hate is they haven't corrected some tactical aspects that kill the experience for me. I'm a barcelona fan so I'm desperate for ball possession. So I do a lot of passes to finally create a chance. Let's say I end up crossing the ball. What happens in the game 90% of the times is that defenders clear the ball to a mate (or end up winning any battle for the ball against my skilled but papermade Xavi and Iniesta who are never in the RIGHT positions) and then the opponent has 50 meters clear ahead of them to run the counter. In real life, if you have possession and advance, you force your opponent to close in its own area, and it's hard for them to go out. In the game, it's uber-easy to counter, because the opponent striker is ALWAYS unmarked in the midfield, and your defenders totally unaware of him. That means that once you have crossed and missed the chance, the opponent simply runs the field (your midfield is unexistant by then) or simply does a 25 yrds pass to the striker who is always alone to receive the ball. This is crap and it bored me to death in fifa 09. They haven't change a thing tactically, I'm gutted. In short, it doesn't matter how you play because there are "scripted" positions that make the tactical side of the game to feel totally "scripted".

- Team styles
Finally, the CPU AI makes all the teams play exactly the same... I'm not talking about the result or 1 vs 1 situations (Messi can destroy Chicago defenders 1 by 1 given the space), I'm talking about the way they play tactically and strategically.

- Individualitzation
By the way, there is definitely some player individualization. Don't try to cross or long pass with Abidal, don't try long shots with Iniesta, don't try heading with xavi... That said, I think it's not enough. There should be even MORE differentiation between players.

I know it sound so negative, but really like it and I think it will be the best football game out there, but as long as there has been a HUGE improvement on a lot of things, some fundamentals of the game remain a brake for the experience.
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I agree with you 100% with what you say but....

I think you ask to much from a game and AI of a cpu player.In my opinion the best way to see proper behavior of players is to play the game 3v3 or 4v4 or even 10v10 when played manually online. Off course the players need to know how to use the manual controls and dont just button mash.

I think that this year with the improved close control 10 v 10 matches will be great.
 
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This game is going to be great.Did anyone expect alot to be different? What a totally new game? Seeing as EA made great strides in getting Fifa to where it is now.As Nick & Placebo will tell you we want more from MM but i think from what we have seen in the demo is an improvement,the other game needed to have a complete overhaul.Judging it on the demo is harsh IMO but anyone expecting a total different game and with a world cup edition next year is asking alot for a company that thinks it has the right formula now.
 
pepper63 said:
This game is going to be great.Did anyone expect alot to be different? What a totally new game? Seeing as EA made great strides in getting Fifa to where it is now.As Nick & Placebo will tell you we want more from MM but i think from what we have seen in the demo is an improvement,the other game needed to have a complete overhaul.Judging it on the demo is harsh IMO but anyone expecting a total different game and with a world cup edition next year is asking alot for a company that thinks it has the right formula now.
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I actually have been thinking that the response times are too good. Almost too many touches on the ball now making it cheat with the animations a lot more than in 09.
 
To summarize everyone's opinions:

Crosses are too floaty/perfect/a bit too hard. Shots are too easy/too hard. Skilled dribbling is too effective/non existent. 360 dribbling is perfect/really 16 or 32 direction (my tuppence - it's far more than 32 directions). Chicago and Chelsea play exactly the same (my tuppence - YOU play exactly the same. I feel a huge difference between Juventus with Giovinco and Juventus without. On a less facetious note, even OM and Bayern are very different to each other). The pace of the game is too fast/just right/too slow. The animations are awesome/awkwardly used.

Hope this clears things up.

I'm starting to think that all talk of the game should be banned until January. The sheer number of differing opinions here, which mainly seem to stem from people not really experimenting with the game or trying to take advantage of changes that have been made. Opinions on the quality of a game have been vastly different ever since PES first warranted a forum, and the first few weeks, when people jump to conclusions without sufficient experience of the 'problem', are always the worst.

For what it's worth, I currently think it's phenomenal. I will probably take issue with something at some point (the demo is a smidge too fast; longer halves should slow things down though - the 09 demo was very fast compared to the full game. That said, I only think it's a bit too fast. It shouldn't take you 20 seconds to run 80 yards from one box to the other at full speed). However right now a lot of the issues I see other people reporting seem to be either highly contradictory with other people's experience and/or something that smacks of "I've been playing this game for 3 hours of the expected several hundred hours I'd pour into it and I'm not perfect yet". A lot of the negative comments I've read just seem completely incomprehensible and irreconcilable to me, and complain about things that I think are absolutely perfect. In these cases I can't really debate with the other side to any length; it'd be like trying to reason with spinach.

I think a lot of the tactical issues people are having will be remedied once the custom tactics window isn't greyed out, and a lot of other issues will disappear with familiarity.

@Drekkard: I was really struggling with my dribbling at the end of yesterday, but today I've found that Del Piero, Amauri and Diego are all awesome. You said physicality > technique. I had that feeling in the back of my mind today, but then little Messi got his skilled dribbling boots on and ran through Essien, Mikel and Cole as if they weren't there. It was very Messi/Aguero like, effortlessly travelling forwards through the players (the gap was Messi sized) just through very subtle shimmies. That's when I realised the problem hadn't been the game.

If John Terry gets side to side with Diego, he will use his body weight to win the ball. That's not silly, or a glitch, or bad game design. It's based on real life. The way to counter that, as Diego, is to make sure he doesn't get alongside you. The fact is you can't always do this without passing the ball to someone else, or changing direction. You may have to try and alter the speed at which you are running to throw his momentum off. The tools ARE in there though. It's just that people are so used to using both technique and strength as sledgehammers, whereas technique in this game requires a lot more craft rather than bludgeoning the opposition with left stick mashing.
 
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gomito#10 said:
I wanted the pitch bigger, i wanted reponse times better, i wanted the ball heavier.. i could go on
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The latter two I don't agree at all. Response times maybe there are certain situations maybe you can shed some light on it. But I don't want PES-style response times.
 
Sprinting roughly 120 yards in roughly 20 seconds doesn't seem unrealistic to me. I just did a quick google and Northern State's training program has them doing 120 yard sprints in 17-20 seconds.
 
romagnoli said:
To summarize everyone's opinions:

Crosses are too floaty/perfect/a bit too hard. Shots are too easy/too hard. Skilled dribbling is too effective/non existent. 360 dribbling is perfect/really 16 or 32 direction (my tuppence - it's far more than 32 directions). Chicago and Chelsea play exactly the same (my tuppence - YOU play exactly the same. I feel a huge difference between Juventus with Giovinco and Juventus without. On a less facetious note, even OM and Bayern are very different to each other). The pace of the game is too fast/just right/too slow. The animations are awesome/awkwardly used.

Hope this clears things up.

I'm starting to think that all talk of the game should be banned until January. The sheer number of differing opinions here, which mainly seem to stem from people not really experimenting with the game or trying to take advantage of changes that have been made. Opinions on the quality of a game have been vastly different ever since PES first warranted a forum, and the first few weeks, when people jump to conclusions without sufficient experience of the 'problem', are always the worst.

For what it's worth, I currently think it's phenomenal. I will probably take issue with something at some point (the demo is a smidge too fast; longer halves should slow things down though - the 09 demo was very fast compared to the full game. That said, I only think it's a bit too fast. It shouldn't take you 20 seconds to run 80 yards from one box to the other at full speed). However right now a lot of the issues I see other people reporting seem to be either highly contradictory with other people's experience and/or something that smacks of "I've been playing this game for 3 hours of the expected several hundred hours I'd pour into it and I'm not perfect yet". A lot of the negative comments I've read just seem completely incomprehensible and irreconcilable to me, and complain about things that I think are absolutely perfect. In these cases I can't really debate with the other side to any length; it'd be like trying to reason with spinach.

I think a lot of the tactical issues people are having will be remedied once the custom tactics window isn't greyed out, and a lot of other issues will disappear with familiarity.

@Drekkard: I was really struggling with my dribbling at the end of yesterday, but today I've found that Del Piero, Amauri and Diego are all awesome. You said physicality > technique. I had that feeling in the back of my mind today, but then little Messi got his skilled dribbling boots on and ran through Essien, Mikel and Cole as if they weren't there. It was very Messi/Aguero like, effortlessly travelling forwards through the players (the gap was Messi sized) just through very subtle shimmies. That's when I realised the problem hadn't been the game.

If John Terry gets side to side with Diego, he will use his body weight to win the ball. That's not silly, or a glitch, or bad game design. It's based on real life. The way to counter that, as Diego, is to make sure he doesn't get alongside you. The fact is you can't always do this without passing the ball to someone else, or changing direction. You may have to try and alter the speed at which you are running to throw his momentum off. The tools ARE in there though. It's just that people are so used to using both technique and strength as sledgehammers, whereas technique in this game requires a lot more craft rather than bludgeoning the opposition with left stick mashing.
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Sterling post mate. Couldn't have said it better.
 
And once they have, they're knackered and unable to run again for a while. They're not about to play 89 more minutes of football after it ;)
 
romagnoli said:
@Drekkard: I was really struggling with my dribbling at the end of yesterday, but today I've found that Del Piero, Amauri and Diego are all awesome. You said physicality > technique. I had that feeling in the back of my mind today, but then little Messi got his skilled dribbling boots on and ran through Essien, Mikel and Cole as if they weren't there. It was very Messi/Aguero like, effortlessly travelling forwards through the players (the gap was Messi sized) just through very subtle shimmies. That's when I realised the problem hadn't been the game.

If John Terry gets side to side with Diego, he will use his body weight to win the ball. That's not silly, or a glitch, or bad game design. It's based on real life. The way to counter that, as Diego, is to make sure he doesn't get alongside you. The fact is you can't always do this without passing the ball to someone else, or changing direction. You may have to try and alter the speed at which you are running to throw his momentum off. The tools ARE in there though. It's just that people are so used to using both technique and strength as sledgehammers, whereas technique in this game requires a lot more craft rather than bludgeoning the opposition with left stick mashing.
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I agree with some things, but it's evident you can HOLD the ball with a small player in this game against the CPU. I'm NOT talking about dribbling, I'm talking about Xavi and Iniesta turning around themselves to protect the ball as they do in reality. 9 out of 10 times, the CPU will push him or simply dispossess him and that's it. When the ball is at Xavi or Iniesta's feet I want to have the moment of pause to see the passes, not to dribble an oncoming train all the time or being dispossessed no matter what I do.

That's a clear fault of the game. I love the game, but this is clearly something they have to work on more and sometimes irritates me because there should be more turnovers due to intercepted passes and not because someone run onto someone else. That's quite obvious and most of us will agree, as well as we all agree that the dribbling system is great.
 
One thing I really don't like is how all the clearences seem to go to the same spot (same as in 09), and it's really annoying. They want you to use the clearence-button, so why make the clearences themselves feel so unbelivably scripted, there isn't even a miss-hit, ever. It's one of the few tings on fully manual that still feels scripted, and I don't get why as clearences, regardless of settings used, should be the most unpredictable of them all.

Also, as drekkard pointed out, it always reaches a forward which has time to pass the ball/control it and that is one of the core things that really encourages counter-attacks in too many situations, causing many games ending up to be the well known, and feared, counter-attacking manias.

There are a few other negatives as well but on the whole it's so incredibly great, really well done.
 
Chris Davies said:
All I can say when you say this is that you're seeing what you want to see. :ANX:

I played as Chicago Fire v Chelsea (a friend, not the CPU) this afternoon and got murdered. I couldn't compete, not just because of the speed difference, but because of the skill difference. Passes were going astray, dribbling was a nightmare, their defenders had the strength to win the ball (without it feeling like a cheat - it would happen in reality so it happens here)... Absolute fact, I couldn't get NEAR them.

Could not disagree with you more, so I don't know what to tell you. I'm not trying to sound like an arse when I say this - although it definitely will sound like I am - but you just don't want to like the game, so you're not going to. There is no point in you picking up the final version because you don't like it now and you won't like it then.

You can come up with faults - I am all of the time because I've already said what was great at the Emirates, now is the time for finding faults and trying to get them fixed before it's too late. But the fault you're talking about here does not exist and how you come to the conclusion that you have, I have absolutely no idea. But enjoy PES 2010 anyway...!
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So you're telling me I don't like the game and don't want to like the game, even though I've already said I think it's a step up on 09 (which I liked, just got bored of)?:?

The fault I raised doesn't exist because you said so, even though others have complained of the same things? Do you want only positive feedback here as well?

Yes, you're sounding like an arse.

Look, I have Fifa10 pre-ordered and I intended it to stay that way. It will offer a different take on football to PES and that will probably be a good thing for football gamers. All I've said is that there are a few gripes I had with Fifa09 that I'm still seeing in Fifa10. If you think Fifa10 is perfect then great, but I doesn't mean that the opinions of me, matherto and a few others don't count.
 
drekkard said:
I agree with some things, but it's evident you can HOLD the ball with a small player in this game against the CPU. I'm NOT talking about dribbling, I'm talking about Xavi and Iniesta turning around themselves to protect the ball as they do in reality. 9 out of 10 times, the CPU will push him or simply dispossess him and that's it. When the ball is at Xavi or Iniesta's feet I want to have the moment of pause to see the passes, not to dribble an oncoming train all the time or being dispossessed no matter what I do.

That's a clear fault of the game. I love the game, but this is clearly something they have to work on more and sometimes irritates me because there should be more turnovers due to intercepted passes and not because someone run onto someone else. That's quite obvious and most of us will agree, as well as we all agree that the dribbling system is great.
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You might be right but I love to play that kind of football too and I manage to hold it on with twists and turns with the barcelona midfield. Also even if they do barge into me I make sure I get my body between them and I get a freekick. Shielding actually works now because being pushed hard from behind equals freekick.

So I actually think you and I will be able to master it in FIFA 10 if we practice it. It shouldn't be easy to play like this, but I think that in FIFA 10 it is actually possible and it wasn't at all in FIFA 09.
 
Jamezinho said:
So you're telling me I don't like the game and don't want to like the game, even though I've already said I think it's a step up on 09 (which I liked, just got bored of)?:?

The fault I raised doesn't exist because you said so, even though others have complained of the same things? Do you want only positive feedback here as well?

Yes, you're sounding like an arse.

Look, I have Fifa10 pre-ordered and I intended it to stay that way. It will offer a different take on football to PES and that will probably be a good thing for football gamers. All I've said is that there are a few gripes I had with Fifa09 that I'm still seeing in Fifa10. If you think Fifa10 is perfect then great, but I doesn't mean that the opinions of me, matherto and a few others don't count.
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I don't know what you said, but I know for a fact Matherto's opinion doesn't count.
 
Gab_ said:
You might be right but I love to play that kind of football too and I manage to hold it on with twists and turns with the barcelona midfield. Also even if they do barge into me I make sure I get my body between them and I get a freekick. Shielding actually works now because being pushed hard from behind equals freekick.

So I actually think you and I will be able to master it in FIFA 10 if we practice it. It shouldn't be easy to play like this, but I think that in FIFA 10 it is actually possible and it wasn't at all in FIFA 09.
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I think shielding the ball like that will be a good skill to learn and once you do, the skills of Iniesta and Xavi will also come out when you're able to turn the ball away and do a bit of magic.

It'll all come with practice :)
 
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