FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

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Placebo said:
I know it's an issue that's been raised internally but sadly they don't consider it a priority.
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Not sorting the keeper kits to me is like getting the morning paper,going into your bog sitting having a good shit,wiping your arse and then throwing the shitty paper on the floor..It don't make sense!:-pp
 
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Jamezinho said:
I used to delight in changing David Beckham's hairstyle every other week back in the good old days of PES! :))

The editor should give you the freedom to customise everything such as hairstyles, untucked shirts, ankle tape, boot editor, running and free kick style, shirt name and number fonts, as well as a setting for the home stadium of every team. It's all basic stuff and can add so much to the game, like it does with PES. That way EA can let the fans do some of the hard work.

Perhaps because of the comprehensive licensing EA feel the fans are and happy don't want to customise the game?
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Yeah I think it probably is that, probably a little bit of arrogance in a "oh we've got all the licenses, PES doesn't, that's why they need an edit mode and we don't", it's definitely the wrong attitude to have.

EA get some things very, very right, and some things very, very wrong, that's where we as consumers, or we as advocates in our positions at FSB or Sweetpatch or any of the other Fifa community sites have a responsibility to use our voice and our reach to make sure the message is spread about what the gamer on the street wants:

That we want a full edit mode whether the licenses are there or not.

That we want to be able to edit with no stat limitations.

That we want licensed GK kits or at the very least some edit function to avoid the clashing.

That we want to be able to save replays to our HDD and not forced to interrupt our matches for 10 mins in the middle of a game to battle with EASW.

That we want to be able to choose 3rd kits/balls and boots without having to unlock them in a silly shop.


Phewww! The last point they listened to and all the stuff is unlocked by default, so it shows they will listen and learn from us if we keep talking to them and telling them what we want :)
 
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Honestly i cant wait for FIFA 09 now! After being given a taste and now not having a footie game is just unbearable :((
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Honestly i cant wait for FIFA 09 now! After being given a taste and now not having a footie game is just unbearable :((
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did you notice any super cancel in this game..

on the pes series you could cancel out of scripted runs, which would allow you to let the ball run across your body, redirect an attackers scripted run, stop running after a ball that is going out of play, and this worked really well on pes giving near total control of the player

fifa 08 had a cancel, which allowed you to stop running towards a ball going out of play, but it was far from ideal for letting the ball run across your body or stopping scripted runs

wondering if there is an improvement on this in fifa 09?
 
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I'll put this in here because I'm genuinely worried about putting it in the PES thread for fear of being called a fanboy or God knows what...

I've been playing PES2008 on the PC and PSP this week, with the PC version edited to slow the players' speed and acceleration down 35%, and the PSP version being a decent speed straight out of the box.

THREE THINGS PES DOES BETTER

1) In PES I was under pressure from the defence so I just hit a hard low shot from miles outside the box in desperation. It went in (not because of poor goalkeeping or a bug, because it was a good hard shot), and for a second I was thinking "that shouldn't have gone in, that's not right" - because in FIFA it is impossible to score from certain angles, the keeper has it covered 100% of the time. Which obviously isn't realistic, and also means in PES practically every goal is different, whereas in FIFA practically every goal is the same.

2) Crosses in PES (on the PSP at least) are hard, well-struck crosses with venom, and if you get your head on it, you can really smack it into the net. On FIFA it's very hard to hit a hard cross, and bullet headers are very very rare.

3) The CPU AI in FIFA and Euro is terrible. PES does it so much better, not because it's particularly spectacular programming but because it's done properly. In FIFA, as any Premier League team, you beat every team on semi-pro and every team beats you on professional (obviously I'm generalising, some players will play on world class difficulty I'm sure, but this is based on what me and my friends all experience). So you choose Liverpool and against the likes of Wigan, or even Championship sides, you lose (not just "occasionally" or "most of the time", 99% of the time).

In PES I chose Portsmouth and I was drawing most games and winning/losing 1-0 on occasion. I chose Liverpool and I've won five in a row - on the same difficulty. THAT WOULD NEVER happen in FIFA. People say it's because the stats mean less in FIFA, and I agree - buy good players in PES and it makes a massive difference, in FIFA you might as well keep the same team forever. But I think the bigger problem is that the difficulty levels are only concerned with going easy on you or beating you, no matter what team is against you.

THREE THINGS FIFA DOES BETTER

1) The physics and the engine is stuck in last-gen territory. You can say "give them time" but Konami have said themselves that a new engine won't be around until PES2010 at least. It's not just a bit old-fashioned, it's very old fashioned, with passes dropping onto an invisible rail and being "sucked in" to players' feet, deflections magically dropping to the CPU over and over, and no chance of interrupting the script 90% of the time. What pisses me off the most is those situations where YOU KNOW what's coming. If the game lets you win a tackle in a certain area, the ball is going to deflect away to another CPU player. If it lets you win it again, it will do the same again. That's how the good teams win; because the game gives them the most luck compared to other teams. Against Wigan more tackles will result in you winning possession, against Arsenal it will take miraculously powerful deflections and land at another player's foot time and time again. FIFA is so much more realistic and so much more fun to play, IMO.

2) While the AI obviously has some kind of balance in PES, with good teams winning and bad teams losing, there are so many scripts that ruin the match, and limited controls that don't allow deviation. In PES, if you try to pass to a teammate and the game decides the CPU is going to get it, rather than go slightly off-course and the CPU player intercept it, it goes straight to the CPU player - which is not only infuriating but it looks ridiculous, as if your players have all been bunged.

3) I've missed six open goals in PES within a couple of games, all because when I tap the shoot button (as lightly as is humanly possible, honestly), it flies over the bar. Now I know stats mean more in PES than they do in FIFA and you need fantastic players; but if Peter Crouch, a Premier League striker, can't roll a ball into the back of an empty net, then something is wrong.

This is about the controls though; everything is so automatic and after playing FIFA/Euro for 12 months and going back to PES, it's like stepping back in time. Everything is decided for you. Now depending on your point of view, that could be a realistic thing or totally unrealistic; you could argue that a Premier League footballer is good enough to do everything "automatically", it's not the same process as Sunday League footballer, and perhaps that's how FIFA feels when you take on a team like my beloved Tranmere and you occasionally misplace a pass or put too much weight on a ball and kick it off the pitch. But personally I prefer that because it's MY fault the pass went wrong, MY fault I just knocked someone in row Z's teeth out. Not because the CPU decided it was "fate".

THREE THINGS NEITHER DOES BETTER

1) When the CPU needs to cheat, both games give invisible barriers to opposition players and drug your defenders. You can stand next to a player, press the stab-tackle button, and he will either bounce off like he's ran into a wall or run in the opposite direction. If you play another human, it doesn't do this.

2) The Master League in PES hardly represents a real league structure; you can't buy players in your first pre-season, the finances ("points") are fake and don't mirror a real currency which makes it difficult to know just how much you're paying, you can only play in the first or second division (whereas I like to take teams from the lower league to the top league in FIFA and Football Manager), the teams that come up from the lower league aren't teams from the country you're playing in meaning you have a Premier League with French/German/Scottish etc. teams in, you can only manage one club in your career etc...

But in FIFA, the manager mode is sterile, especially at a lower level. That level of player all feel the same as I've already mentioned, so you might as well not bring any new players in. Every team's stadium at this level is the same, so mix that in with the fact that every player feels the same, and you're left with the feeling of playing the exact same match over and over. Also, there's no playoffs, which is ridiculous in a fully-licensed game, and even though you can switch clubs, you can choose any team you want - so after a season with Chester City you can manage Chelsea.

3) Because of the above CPU frustrations you turn to online play. In PES players disappear and reappear all over the pitch, the netcode is awful, and lag is a big issue (looking at the problems Konami had with Metal Gear Online, this is something that is effecting all Konami games). Also, in PES, all you can do is one-off games. No leagues or competitions - the online leagues and Euro knockout cup in FIFA/Euro were things I have wanted to see in a football game for longer than I've been a member on Evo-Web.

In FIFA the reaction times are a waste of space, and the same (but to a lesser effect) in Euro, along with matches that last too long and ridiculous scorelines because of the attackers having too big of an advantage over the defenders.

This was all about gameplay, hence why lack of teams in PES, poor faces in FIFA etc. wasn't talked about; because gameplay comes first as far as I'm concerned
 
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In PES, stat changes are very sensitive and actually can be felt. Good players will actually feel very good compared to crap players. But what annoys me with PES' way of balancing bad and good teams is the fact that they always make 'crap' teams really slow, which makes it harder when you play a better team, as you'd almost always get beat to the ball.

They assume that a team like Hull can't have players faster than anyone on Arsenal.
 
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Chris,you spot it on.. myself as a PES fan,i hate PES2008. the cpu always always always(there's more always) cheat. when they feel like losing,they will do anything,including getting a easy free kick which i didn't commit,it's my CPU teammates who did it,and he barely touch him. it feels like,everything already been set up by the cpu,like they know what you gonna do after this;pass the ball,turn to right or left,EXACT TIMING sliding tackle. gosh..it's so frustrating. i rather go back to pes 5 even i hate the referee which is so sensitive but the gameplay is much realistic(for that current game)
this year all my heart is for FIFA09. if it's good i'm gonna be a fifa-pro ^^
else,back to pes i guess =(
 
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Neither FIFA or PES does a very good job scouting the smaller clubs. Most of all, they for some reason belive that players in bad teams can't be fast or strong. I fucking hate when Charlie Davies (2* team), who might just be the fastest player I've ever seen play football, has speed of 80..
 
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Dusse said:
Neither FIFA or PES does a very good job scouting the smaller clubs. Most of all, they for some reason belive that players in bad teams can't be fast or strong. I fucking hate when Charlie Davies (2* team), who might just be the fastest player I've ever seen play football, has speed of 80..
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Yeah, while D.Suazo still played in Cagliari they had him slower than players like Riquelme or so...

And otherwise while it should feel different to play Messi and Ameobi, they should be realistically different in areas where they are different in reality.

Both games should improve their shooting, I think PES shooting is a bit too easy, at least have been before. And as addition they made these "superstars are shooting hard, because they are superstars". We don't need arcade game where top players are hard shooters(like Henry is shooting harder than lets say Taye Taiwo...).

So yes, scouting is very crappy compared to lets say Football Manager(SI game).
 
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Leipzig =
FIFA 09 Presentation (Comparison with fifa 08 again maybe)
FIFA 09 Official Trailer
Teaser
EA Sports Locker Feature Explained in Depth
EA Sports League Explained in Depth
1-2 Other Game Mode's announced (One a PS3 exclusive)
 
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I noticed at the Sunderland v Liverpool game today, the "LET'S FIFA 09" adboards flashed up "PLAYSTATION3" at the side, but no mention of XBOX 360... Wonder how much Sony have paid them for that...
 
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Chris Bauer said:
I noticed at the Sunderland v Liverpool game today, the "LET'S FIFA 09" adboards flashed up "PLAYSTATION3" at the side, but no mention of XBOX 360... Wonder how much Sony have paid them for that...
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its because sony have a deal with EA for the FIWC it used to be xbox 360 boards everywhere :)
 
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Chris Bauer said:
I noticed at the Sunderland v Liverpool game today, the "LET'S FIFA 09" adboards flashed up "PLAYSTATION3" at the side, but no mention of XBOX 360... Wonder how much Sony have paid them for that...
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was on the arsenal game also. what new game mode could possibly be shit? i thought the exclusive was just some minor thing like a exclusive team or league or something of that sort like in top spin 3. a whole mode? LOL i will believe it when i see it
 
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you know a mode can be minor... like be a pro offline all you did was play a 1 off match and get a rating at the end of the game and that was considered a mode last year..

An update to the official FIFA Soccer Blog has revealed that the exclusive mode heavily touted for the PlayStation3 version of FIA 09 will be unveiled at the forthcoming Leipzig Games Convention.

also in a video interview david rutter states a ''mode''


it could just be an FIWC mode where you can use to fiwc teams and play in a fiwc stadium lol no matter how crap it is some mode is exclusive
 
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Chris Bauer said:
I noticed at the Sunderland v Liverpool game today, the "LET'S FIFA 09" adboards flashed up "PLAYSTATION3" at the side, but no mention of XBOX 360... Wonder how much Sony have paid them for that...
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They gave a date as well but i didn't catch it?
 
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I hope the WENB when at Leipzig also try FIFA, Since i played the same version as Adam It would be nice to see how the feels this newer build has improved.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
I hope the WENB when at Leipzig also try FIFA, Since i played the same version as Adam It would be nice to see how the feels this newer build has improved.
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Adam said that the build played at I34 was more recent than the one suff played in vancouver either way they will be at the PES Stand more than the fifa stand and I embark on my journey to leipzig on monday the no.1 thing I want to check out is now response times! after it been a mixed bag of opinions @ 134!
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
I hope the WENB when at Leipzig also try FIFA, Since i played the same version as Adam It would be nice to see how the feels this newer build has improved.
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Adam not going not sure about Suff they have playtest of PES on Monday though. :))
 
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nice to see the fifa09 ads at the Emirates yesterday. More entertaining then the Gunners. God we were poor. I was so high up i was considering throwing myself off out of pure frustration.
 
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If it's a mode... it can't be something to do with HOME as that's not out yet - maybe it's a motion sensitive thing then where you tilt the pad left/right and do things like add curve to the ball or you pull the pad left/right to make the keeper dive around in a sort of goal keeper challenge.

Like those old PES challenges where you take free kicks and aim for the targets.
 
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i've been away for the past 2 weeks, any groundbreaking news that surfaced?
 
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If it's a mode... it can't be something to do with HOME as that's not out yet - maybe it's a motion sensitive thing then where you tilt the pad left/right and do things like add curve to the ball or you pull the pad left/right to make the keeper dive around in a sort of goal keeper challenge.
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Or a cardgame connected to home......

Can't see it being anything more then very very basic/simple.
 
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