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stilts1844 said:
Did someone at EA steal your girlfriend? Kill your sister? Or were you beaten as a child?
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Take it easy.

The Hype for this game is tremendous - and yes, at times it has looked quite promising. However, the latest videos have done very little for me in terms of raising MY hype. Dribbling looks clunky, visuals seem to have taken a step back from 08 (could be beta version), im hoping that the videos are set on the 'fast' speed, because it looks ridiculous - and in general, in terms of RAISING THE BAR FOR NEXT-GEN GAMING, I believe very little is being done. Look at the comments in this thread - people are saying it looks PES5-ish, which I completely agree about. It looks as though the traditional PES diagonal angle passing down the field gaming is back. The collision system looks incredible though and a proper innovation, the kind I expect to see. It seems for me that in search of recognition from those players who love the PES style, EA have made it too PES like.

IMO, the focus for the development team shouldnt be to replicate a great game from the 90's, but to make their own way forward with new, different dribbling and shooting systems. (Although some of you will argue their physics system has done this - and it has to some extent, it really has NOT revolutionised the genre - the movement, shooting and passing mechanics have been IDENTICAL since PES2.) Currently, this looks like the game we have always cried out for - PES standard and quality gameplay, with FIFA style visuals, authenticity and gaming options. Only those requests were in 1995.

As far as Im concerned, and I obviously have no authority on the topic, it starts at the top of the development team. At the end of the day, is their quest to sell games or innovate? Despite how many odd computer art gurus will insist it's the latter, the fact of the matter is that if the game doesnt sell, it wont be able to innovate. As long as this remains such a vast business, which I suspect to be forever now that video gaming has caught on big-time, this problem will never be solved.

Just my two cents.
 
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winston said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they're always so far from the pitch is precisely to ensure you cannot see the crowd during gameplay, which would probably have some significant framerate overhead.

I'd love to see some stadia where the crowd are right on top of the action, but I'd sooner have the gameplay flow as smoothly as possible.
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Well, with the possibility to adjust height and zoom, we might be able to lower the camera and see the crowd, and find out if performance is an issue. :)
 
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djacura said:
in the video says things like:

-- Even is a very early beta and is not updated, to show a Leipzig almost final version, and revealing further details.

-- The publisher will have more than 90 bootkits some fictitious.

-- reprimand the referee at random, if some faults, and others do not, or will the law of advantage..

-- The goalkeeper are still giving some improvement.

. the goalkeeper no longer be statically looking to one side, now is very outstanding at all times of their environment.

-- The goalkeeper now cover more and better place, by covering up and down, and will be thrown with their legs (against the player).

-- The chuts take a curve between power and height, open practice to go to improve.

-- Created a player will start 52media attribute, and along the 4 seasons anger gradually improving their stats.

-- 2 in these months even missing, said they are aware of how manager and work with this.

-- AI-controlled players on your team, played very intelligently follow your hand, being more alive and more awaiting a move from danger.

-- The game to cut all those moments "dead" to control a ball, now everything is much faster and dynamic,

-Now the player with ball-cotrola movements so more effectively with only 2 touches before in fifa08 needed 3 or 4.

-- The game will include over 50 licensed songs.

-- AI now has the ball itself, and no longer belong to the player, the player now looking for the ball.



about these things, put your photo in the player created, I do not think that this option, I think it opened and not commented on the case.

sorry for my english is very bad.

Thanks and a greeting.
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Cheers :TU:
 
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i diddnt watch all the vids but my initial impressions are great. how many here are going to get this game? if there are over 20 of us, do you want to create a online league and tournament? we could join the lads from other forums who have a large fifa fanbase so we could play our leage, they play there,s and we all join up and play a kind of fa cup style tourny involving all forums and its members :)

we could also create our own team for BAP if they have the same feature has the EA hockey game with online season BAP(Be a pro) creating a team to compete with others. this game has loads of ways and ideas for us to join and play with eachother. i canot wait. i wish it was october 3rd today!
 
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Placebo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvBYnFwBm4

There!
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Cheers mate hehe. :)

Nothing wrong what that at all, like I figured. Seems like some need to realize that the ball can "curl", and that this characteristic can make alot of difference in the "hangtime" of the ball. Just look at a really nice Beckham or Ronaldinho freekick, and keep in mind that the sidecurl they can get can also be applied to backspin. Obviously the trajectory won't be curved upwards normally (gravity constantly drags the ball down), but there is alot of lift available with the right curl.
So saying "that looks too ballooney" is kind of incomplete, since you need to know how the ball curls to judge that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFYhd2FOa2U

Check out the first goal in this one.
 
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andish2001 said:
Take it easy.

The Hype for this game is tremendous - and yes, at times it has looked quite promising. However, the latest videos have done very little for me in terms of raising MY hype. Dribbling looks clunky, visuals seem to have taken a step back from 08 (could be beta version), im hoping that the videos are set on the 'fast' speed, because it looks ridiculous - and in general, in terms of RAISING THE BAR FOR NEXT-GEN GAMING, I believe very little is being done. Look at the comments in this thread - people are saying it looks PES5-ish, which I completely agree about. It looks as though the traditional PES diagonal angle passing down the field gaming is back. The collision system looks incredible though and a proper innovation, the kind I expect to see. It seems for me that in search of recognition from those players who love the PES style, EA have made it too PES like.

IMO, the focus for the development team shouldnt be to replicate a great game from the 90's, but to make their own way forward with new, different dribbling and shooting systems. (Although some of you will argue their physics system has done this - and it has to some extent, it really has NOT revolutionised the genre - the movement, shooting and passing mechanics have been IDENTICAL since PES2.) Currently, this looks like the game we have always cried out for - PES standard and quality gameplay, with FIFA style visuals, authenticity and gaming options. Only those requests were in 1995.

As far as Im concerned, and I obviously have no authority on the topic, it starts at the top of the development team. At the end of the day, is their quest to sell games or innovate? Despite how many odd computer art gurus will insist it's the latter, the fact of the matter is that if the game doesnt sell, it wont be able to innovate. As long as this remains such a vast business, which I suspect to be forever now that video gaming has caught on big-time, this problem will never be solved.

Just my two cents.
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wow are you serious? this game doesnt look liek PES lol it looks better then 08! how can you judge graphics over a low quality video? yes they are blatenly copying PES, i mean come on, the control system is a carbon copy of pro evo. pro evo is an amazing game prior to 08 and no1 can deny that. if you want to beat the best, you gotta copy and add on top of that. fifa has done that to some extent with the online side of things. if konami can chuck out pes08 gameplay and stick in pes05/06 gameplay in it along with 06 online features such has 2v2/4v4 then it will challenge this game for real.

i want both games to do well especial konami because competition is great for us customers. fifa 09 is an amazing game and i cantw ait for this shit to come out. i am also preying that my wishes come true about PES which is possible. PES06 gameplay please(ps2 gameplay not 360)
 
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It's annoying when people say FIFA plays like PES now. PES gameplay was great for being last gen, ps2, but it's way to simplified nowadays. Just because FIFA 09 have quicker response times doesn't mean it plays like PES. It's a totally different experience, especial if you are playing with manual controls. The animation system and general movement is also lightyears from PES 5.

If FIFA played like the old PES games I wouldn't be playing it, they were good for the time, like old NES games were good back then but we want better experiences now.

I really hope PES adds manual controls, better AI, better physics and a new animation system so they can compete against eachother. They have just flipped sides now, FIFA used to be the one with inferior technology and now it's PES.

Edit: When I earlier said I wish the defending was more like PES 5 it's the mentality of how to defend, that you have to time it right. PES 5 also had good shielding for the time and 08 had basically none at all. I don't think anyone here wants this to play like PES 5, we want EA to take the good parts of it that is missing in 08 and implement in a next gen fashion. ok I'm done.
 
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112 pages so im not going to check them all - but have they mentioned anything about having cup finals being played in the right stadiums this time? I hated taking Cardiff to the cup finals only to pkay in front of my shitty ground.

And any news on rumoured the create a stadium ? They had it in madden so no excuse not to add to it fifa.
 
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I didnt see the player celebrationmode from UEFA 2008.

I hope thats not been taken out.
 
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i hope it has...was fed up of seeing the same animations like 5 times in a row due to stupid button smashing...
 
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I noticed that Everton scored and the first person to get to the scorer was Lescott. I really would've expected EA to have sorted that out.
 
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I've seen a screen that showed like "LB + RB to skip" after a goal, I think this is manual celebration.

Yeah the defenders being the first ones in the goal cut scenes are still in. Wonder why.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
wow are you serious? this game doesnt look liek PES lol it looks better then 08! how can you judge graphics over a low quality video? yes they are blatenly copying PES, i mean come on, the control system is a carbon copy of pro evo. pro evo is an amazing game prior to 08 and no1 can deny that. if you want to beat the best, you gotta copy and add on top of that. fifa has done that to some extent with the online side of things. if konami can chuck out pes08 gameplay and stick in pes05/06 gameplay in it along with 06 online features such has 2v2/4v4 then it will challenge this game for real.

i want both games to do well especial konami because competition is great for us customers. fifa 09 is an amazing game and i cantw ait for this shit to come out. i am also preying that my wishes come true about PES which is possible. PES06 gameplay please(ps2 gameplay not 360)
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I think you misunderstand me. It doesnt 'look' like PES in terms of graphics, feel or anything like that. I mean the patterns in play. For years PES was just diagonal pass after diagonal pass in short zig zags down the pitch, and the natural turning/passing animations allowed this to easily bypass the defenders. This was prevalent in FIFA 08 and I was simply voicing my opinion that it appears to be there again. And yes, I realise that what passes are made depends on the player. It's just that, in terms of passing it to the nearest free player, it more often that not appears in this diagonal formation, if you get what I mean. I was judging the graphics over the close-up comparison video and the screenshots posted earlier. I believe they are beta versions though so Im not really worried about them. The rest of your post actually backs up my point (if you read the rest of my post) so I'm really not going to bother explaining it.

@evacuate, I think you misunderstand me as well. Its not that FIFA is now 'simple' BECAUSE it copied PES, and I agree that animation and movement are lightyears away. It's simply that instead of FIFA revolutionising the genre (obviously going to take a fair effort), they copy the PES style of gameplay. Im not going to describe the PES style, because all you have to do is watch a PES game - they all play out in VERY similiar fashion. Im still yet to see the dynamic, organic movement off the ball and the intricate, controlled movement with the ball that I see in real football. For the record I think ALL of this could be resolved with 360 degree movement.
 
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Very nice video! The guy using Arsenal sucks though. The celebrations are in, you can see the box come up. I still think the faces are complete shit though, Lampard and Joe Cole look nothing like themselves!
 
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In the first vid, Joe Cole hitting the bar looked awesome. Like the speed and the commentary seems ...apter. Something I like tyler doing is simply uttering the names as it rolls to them.."essien"...."now gilberto" etc. It seems he does more of this in 09.
 
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