FC Barcelona Thread

DMF in barca must be a very good short passer and calm with the ball. Also needs to ALWAYS change position and be open for a pass. This is why Busquets plays every game, because he fits that role. Problem with Busquets is that he's not that good at the more physical aspects of that role that is mainly needed when facing better opposition (when Barca doesn't dominate midfield completely). They're not looking for a Mascherano or any other hardcore physical DMF, it doesn't fit the way they start their build up. If they were, they certainly wouldn't play Busquets instead of Yaya.
 
Ronaldinho_23 said:
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alves---pique---puyol---abidal
----------mascherano-------
xavi-------------------cesc
messi------villa-----iniesta
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no width in that system xavi,cesc,and messi will crash in the middle. Plus cesc can`t run fast he`s very slow they even laugh at him on the Arsenal. His strength is the middle or behind striker.
 
tc811 said:
Xavi and Iniesta are always in the center...

Ibra or Pedro will play on the left wing.
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no, iniesta where gambling is best left in the attack
ibrahimovic leave Barcelona, or alternate will



this year, when everyone was available, guardiola used a central field of touch and force

xavi --- busquets - Keita

and a fancy front

messi - ibra - Iniesta

iniesta injuries gave him the opportunity to pedro


if toure leaves, Mascherano is the man power and punch.
and the arrival of Cesc, Iniesta released defensive task, and can place it above.

Barca are so, are not fixed marks, move, exchange ...
Branded the only defensive midfielder is set (busquets, toure, or masche)


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Gab_ said:
DMF in barca must be a very good short passer and calm with the ball. Also needs to ALWAYS change position and be open for a pass. This is why Busquets plays every game, because he fits that role. Problem with Busquets is that he's not that good at the more physical aspects of that role that is mainly needed when facing better opposition (when Barca doesn't dominate midfield completely). They're not looking for a Mascherano or any other hardcore physical DMF, it doesn't fit the way they start their build up. If they were, they certainly wouldn't play Busquets instead of Yaya.
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That is half true.
toure has not played both thematically-sporting, but the holder is yaya toure.
but, in barcelona, guardiola always plan-b, first no one believed in a change-ibrahimovic Eto'o and Guardiola did.
he is the coach and decide if you want a mediodefensivo, signed him.

anyway, as Barcelona plays, sure to improve Mascherano
 
Ronaldinho_23 said:
no, iniesta where gambling is best left in the attack
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If you're trying to say Iniesta's best role as a winger, you're wrong.


Ronaldinho_23 said:
this year, when everyone was available, guardiola used a central field of touch and force

xavi --- busquets - Keita
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Wrong again, a fit Barca midfield would play Yaya, Xavi, and Iniesta.

Ronaldinho_23 said:
iniesta injuries gave him the opportunity to pedro
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Pedro filled in because Henry had a terrible season.

Let's keep one thing straight, Iniesta is a versatile playmaker who can play on the wing occasionally.

Need more proof?

Number: 8
Position: CMF*, AMF, SMF, SS

Number: 14
Position: WF*, CF, SS

I could list the respective stats pages but I still disagree and I think you're trying to set up a 4-4-2.
 
Iniesta is not a winger, but can play there if needed. Anyway, that has been used as a last resort because of an unfit Henry. When Pedro has played, Iniesta came back to the middle. Iniesta plays just like Cesc. Only Iniesta has more vision and ball control while Cesc is more offensive and shoots and scores more. That's why we want Cesc, because he scores a lot more than Xavi and Iniesta and we want him arriving from the midfield, by surprise.

In a fully fit squad, though, I think Guardiola would put Busquets instead of Toure. To me that's just stupid, but that's what Guardiola did the whole season and the main reason why Toure is leaving us for sure. A bad move in my oppinion, we won't find anyone liek Toure, he was awesomely strong and skilled at the same time. Keita is nothing like him and can't play as DMF.
 
Cesc scores more only because Wenger has his squad build around cesc`s strength. If he goes to barca this season he won`t be the main build up . The game will concentrate more to messi/villa imo. I think Messi and villa will have little to do mainly tap ins` from all the balls that will feed to their feet. Again, Fab will regret the move if he goes now.

You don`t care for fab you just want to add to your addition and rightly so I supposed. If you really looked at it from another angle you`ll see Fab would be a much better player under Wenger and in barca he`ll be important but never great.
 
drekkard said:
Iniesta is not a winger, but can play there if needed. Anyway, that has been used as a last resort because of an unfit Henry. When Pedro has played, Iniesta came back to the middle. Iniesta plays just like Cesc. Only Iniesta has more vision and ball control while Cesc is more offensive and shoots and scores more. That's why we want Cesc, because he scores a lot more than Xavi and Iniesta and we want him arriving from the midfield, by surprise.
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Drekkard described that much better, which is why true winger is still needed for width on the attack. But with Villa's strong performance on the left against Honduras yesterday, placing Ibra and Villa on the attack could be very deadly, with Villa's excellent ability to cut inside and Ibra's strength as a target man. I just sense some potential chemistry there.

PS: Drek, I still remember your post from earlier, in case there's any intellectual property theft going on here.

PPS: A real shame Arsenal couldn't get Yaya, maybe we should've kept Kolo to sweeten the deal.
 
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tc811 said:
If you're trying to say Iniesta's best role as a winger, you're wrong.




Wrong again, a fit Barca midfield would play Yaya, Xavi, and Iniesta.



Pedro filled in because Henry had a terrible season.

Let's keep one thing straight, Iniesta is a versatile playmaker who can play on the wing occasionally.

Need more proof?

Number: 8
Position: CMF*, AMF, SMF, SS

Number: 14
Position: WF*, CF, SS

I could list the respective stats pages but I still disagree and I think you're trying to set up a 4-4-2.
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i'm Spanish, I am the barcelona from age 5
I think it is something more than your

everyone knows that Iniesta plays better on the left, up, so in the selection, also played there

yaya toure is the owner and on the other side plays Keita

the number has nothing to do, is only a number
 
Well, looks like Touré is headed to Man City and Juan Mata to Barcelona.

So it should be:

-----------Valdes
Alves---Pique---Puyol---Abidal
----------Busquets-------
Xavi-------------------Iniesta
Messi------Villa-----Mata
 
That's a very likely formation, but there will be multiple line-ups this year. If the Mata deal is confirmed, that will make us far more strong than last years.

Now we only need a DMF to cover Toure, a backup for Dani Alves (they talk about Rafinha, who would be an excellent signing) and see what happens with Cesc, who is arguably the less needed signing this year.

We will have a LOT of offensive variations. I firmly hope we keep Ibra, we need someone different in attack to have more ways to do harm. And, contrary to popular oppinion here in Barcelona, I think he did great for hist first season. 21 goals and 12 assists! And people stills saying he underperformed! I can't understand how most of the people is so easily carried away by the pathetic journalism in this country.
 
drekkard said:
That's a very likely formation, but there will be multiple line-ups this year. If the Mata deal is confirmed, that will make us far more strong than last years.

Now we only need a DMF to cover Toure, a backup for Dani Alves (they talk about Rafinha, who would be an excellent signing) and see what happens with Cesc, who is arguably the less needed signing this year.

We will have a LOT of offensive variations. I firmly hope we keep Ibra, we need someone different in attack to have more ways to do harm. And, contrary to popular oppinion here in Barcelona, I think he did great for hist first season. 21 goals and 12 assists! And people stills saying he underperformed! I can't understand how most of the people is so easily carried away by the pathetic journalism in this country.
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Makes you wonder why your chasing fabregas or are you? seems strange that your about to sign someone else instead of fabregas. i thought thet money generated from Toure's sale would help get you fabregas but looks like fab is stuck at arsenal whether he likes it or not unless you magicaly come up with 40m+ for him which is looking very unlikely as the day goes by.
 
According to a Valencia statement, Mata aint going anywhere. It was all bullshit from a pathetic newspaper like Marca
 
I don't think Barcelona needs Mata when they have Pedro, they're very similar to me. If anything they need better backup defenders, because they don't have a proper replacement for Puyol. They bought Chygrynskiy, but he's been pretty poor.
 
But we need a propper LW. Pedro plays on the right and can play on the left, but he's not as strong. That said, the best position for Pedro actually isn't any of the wings, but a little inside, as a second striker or coming from the wing into the area. But we need someone who is a specialist in running the left wing, cross and preferably a left footed player. Mata is all of this. Let's see how it all ends up.

PS: I agree Mascherano is NOT the type of player we need, though he's great at what he does.

PS2: Jonney, we've talked about this many times. I think right now things are stalled because of the elections here at barcelona (until july won't be any significant advance). But I would bet anything that Cesc ends up at Barcelona for 40-45 M€ this summer. You know I don't like this transfer very much and you know we both agree on many things. Only that I firmly believe the deal will be done, because it's turned a political thing, here.
 
Yep, too many small players in the team. That's why I want Ibra to stay and wanted to keep Touré. If Ibra goes away, they better sign Luis Suárez from Ajax or someone like him, and some big athletic man for the midfield.

I think Madrid has a problem with youngsters. And it's a institutional problem. They have great players but there's never a true chance for them. How come they let players like Etoo, Mata and Luis Filipe go without having a chance??

But the main problem is that in Barcelona, all the youth teams play like the first team. And the first team always play in a similar way no matter the trainer since we "fully embraced" the Cruyff philosophy in the late 80s. That's key to produce players like Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc, Messi, Pique ton name only a few.

On the other hand, Madrid has no clear "way of doing things" so they change from one football system to another completely different year after year. That has a big impact also in youngsters that have no clear indication of what's expected from them and how they should play.

And it pays at the end.
 
Theoretically, you build a player from 15-18 so, again theoretically, he is from the Madrid Cantera. He later developed his skills in Valencia but he was formed in Madrid.
 
well by your standards fab came to Arsenal 16 - .. I consider him a barca`s youth team to Arsenal`s reserve team to now,captain.
 
About the youth thing, I consider that building a player happens mainly from 12 to 18, though it's more of a reference than exact numbers. To me Cesc is a product of both Barcelona and Arsenal, and you can say so by watching how he plays, a perfect melt of both houses.

To be honest, most of the players are the result of various clubs working on them, and it's strange to see players who have been fully developend in only one club. For the majority, normally it's considered to be grown in a club when he has spent most of his "forming" years in that club.
 
i see what you mean drekk but for me, arsenal opened the door, and kicked him in the deep end and as a result, became one of the best midfielders in the world.

it takes a lot of balls to give a 16 year old a chance in the first team.
 
We will agree quickly on this. Cesc is a player "made" by Barcelona and Arsenal, being Arsenal the most decisive one in the most decisive of ages to turn into a great player.

On the other hand, you've got Pique, who has "made" by Barcelona and Manchester, being Barcelona more important on his formation than Man Utd.
 
I dont get why this is still being discussed. Sure everywhere Cesc played deserve some credit for their input but it's blatantly obvious that it's Arsenal that made him the star he is today seeing how they're about to pocket the most profit for him.
If he hadnt become the player he is today, Barca wouldnt even have wanted him right now. I mean even now, it's still kinda hard to see where Cesc fits into this Barca side.
And Cesc has spent nearly 7 years at Arsenal. Why do Barca want him now? Why not say 3-4 years ago? It's obviously because he's a better player now thanks to Arsenal. If Barca could see the potential before they could have got him back a long time ago for a lower price.
Its plain and simple. Arsenal made Cesc. Without Arsenal's input, half of his fans wouldnt have even heard of him.

Pique is the complete opposite. He came from Barca to United but we couldnt improve him enough. He then went back to Barca to become an even better player and made it into their first team, and even played in the side that knocked us out in the final. That's a perfect example of where Barca can say he was "their" player. Cesc is not the same.
 
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RuneEdge said:
I dont get why this is still being discussed. Sure everywhere Cesc played deserve some credit for their input but it's blatantly obvious that it's Arsenal that made him the star he is today seeing how they're about to pocket the most profit for him.
If he hadnt become the player he is today, Barca wouldnt even have wanted him right now. I mean even now, it's still kinda hard to see where Cesc fits into this Barca side.
And Cesc has spent nearly 7 years at Arsenal. Why do Barca want him now? Why not say 3-4 years ago? It's obviously because he's a better player now thanks to Arsenal. If Barca could see the potential before they could have got him back a long time ago for a lower price.
Its plain and simple. Arsenal made Cesc. Without Arsenal's input, half of his fans wouldnt have even heard of him.

Pique is the complete opposite. He came from Barca to United but we couldnt improve him enough. He then went back to Barca to become an even better player and made it into their first team, and even played in the side that knocked us out in the final. That's a perfect example of where Barca can say he was "their" player. Cesc is not the same.
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good shout Rune !. Spain NT had 2 backs ,3 in the middle and 1 upfront playing for barca. If the reps at barca are trying to use Cesc wastefulness at the WC to bring down the price. It should also remind him what chance does he have on the squad 1st XI.Pedro is becoming very popular, Xavi and Ineista look sharp and rejuvenated. Part of me wants Cesc to part ways (40mil)I want a captain 100% up for the task .Seeing ozil made me think anyone`s game can flourish w/ the right receipt. Cesc could be a good player for barca and make the ppl happy ,but he needs to know that barca won`t ever be the way he had it at Arsenal. There will be more elections and more players it`s the circle of life :LOL:
 
RuneEdge said:
If he hadnt become the player he is today, Barca wouldnt even have wanted him right now. I mean even now, it's still kinda hard to see where Cesc fits into this Barca side.
And Cesc has spent nearly 7 years at Arsenal. Why do Barca want him now? Why not say 3-4 years ago? It's obviously because he's a better player now thanks to Arsenal. If Barca could see the potential before they could have got him back a long time ago for a lower price.
Its plain and simple. Arsenal made Cesc. Without Arsenal's input, half of his fans wouldnt have even heard of him.
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I will put some information and facts here, to your knowledge. Simply to add another perspective to your post.

- Cesc ended up at Arsenal because they gave him a lot of money being young and took benefit of some absurd legal hole. They actually offered a job to his father and used a stupid law to take Cesc to Arsenal earning 10x what ANY youngster at Barcelona earns. So, oks, Wenger had a lot of faith in him, and they put money. But that DOESN'T mean Barcelona didn't want him or didn't have plans for him. He was clearly a hot prospect for the first team. It's only that Barcleona couldn't pay to him what Arsenal was offering him at that age.

- Actually, Cesc was, alongside Pique, Mérida, Messi and Giovanni do Santos, the players tagged with the best future in the first team. He was seen as a good player. Maybe not as good as he's turned into at Arsenal, but I tell you he was one of the best prospects of the "Cantera". I sometimes go to watch the youth team and watched him play a lot when he was 15. That team was fantastic and everybody knew it.

- The main problem for that youths was Gaspart, a terrible president that almost destroyed the club. The internal chaos was so big at the end that a lot of youths went away because it was not clear at all what would happen even in the first team. There was no coach, no sportive management of any kind, and no money.

- Then Laporta and Rossell arrived at the club, when Pique and Cesc had already gone. They tried to retain them at any cost but nothing could be done legally, except asking for the FIFA formation cannon, that went to 3 M€ aprox.

- Barcelona has approached Cesc many times, not just this year. First time they tried to sign him was 3 years ago, in the last of Rijkaard seasons. As soon as Cesc showed he had the talent everyone was presuming on him.

- In my personal oppinion, and as I stated before, Cesc is a product of Arsenal mainly, but had a lot of evolution at Barcelona as well and his "style" of play is clearly Barcelona's style of play, while I think Wenger has made him stronger mentaly and playing the premier has turned him stronger and more apt to physical challenge than Iniesta, to put a similar case.
 
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