FC Barcelona Thread

in 2-3 years do you really think his price tag would decrease at the tender age of 24/25 at that time?

doubt it. it will increase lol.

edit: Another thing to add is that if barcelona were strapped for cash why diddnt they give us Toure plus 30m?

that would have been the ideal solution as wenger is after a CM and Toure fits the bill. Had barcelona offered us toure + money, fabregas would be wearing that barcelona shirt permanently.
 
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Yes - it's not that his value would diminish, but the overall cost of players will decrease, it's obvious that the cost of players is too high, and I think it's starting to come down. If you look at the following table, most of the record transfer fees are 2006 or earlier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_(association_football)#Highest_fees

With the exception of Ronaldo's transfer last year, and the odd one like Villa and Kaka most are more than 5 years ago. Even Ibrahimovic's position in the table from last year's move is a bit misleading since it involved a substantial element of player-value swap (Eto).

Additionally once Barca's financial situation is exposed they will have to sell more of their players and knowledge of this need to sell will enter the public domain and other clubs may attempt to drive the price of Barca players down.
 
in 2-3 years time i cant see fab's value decreasing. it may stay at 50m but most likely will increase the more he plays and shines in a top 4 side.

Like i said on my new edit: they should have offered us Yaya toure plus money but they diddnt.
 
cfdh_edmundo said:
Yes - it's not that his value would diminish, but the overall cost of players will decrease, it's obvious that the cost of players is too high, and I think it's starting to come down. If you look at the following table, most of the record transfer fees are 2006 or earlier
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Maybe I'm blind but 6 of the top 13 transfers of all time were done between 2008 and 2010. How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
 
RuneEdge said:
Maybe I'm blind but 6 of the top 13 transfers of all time were done between 2008 and 2010. How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
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You're not taking the €/£ exchange rate into account, it's currently 1:1.20 (meaning for every £1 you spend you get €1 and 20 cents), last summer it was around 1:1.15 back in the early part of the last decade it was as high as 1:1.70. So when that list is converted into pounds the recent decrease in the value of the pound inflates some of the more recent transfers.

If you look at the list based in Euros (since most the transfers were to clubs who are in the Eurozone) it makes more sense.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_(Sport)#Besonders_teure_Transfers
 
You two simply are living in another world. Barcelona are not in bankrupcy, in fact it has much better finantial situation than Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Madrid, Inter, Milan, etc...

Paying wages is not a problem right now, Rosell is lying because finantially he neeeds to put pressure on Laporta legacy. But rest assured Barcelona's incomings are by far highher than outcomes. Besides, we just sold Toure for 30 M€ and let go some players and wages.

And now some comments:

- Spanish journalism is a shit, we all know. But it's not representing the club in any form. See the differences. If anything, you should blame the press about everything "Cesc" related. And press is crap everywhere, but even worse in Spain.

- Laporta said that he wanted to sign Cesc and that he was convinced he could achieve that. Though I don't like this kind of assessments, there's nothing wrong nor any lack of respect for Arsenal. Come on, so no one can say they want to sign a player???? If anything, it's a very bad signing strategy, but I can't see how it is offesnive in any way.

- As long as I know, the club has not done anything wrong nor has showed any kind of disrispect with the player or the club. I think you're getting upset for other reasons, or you're simply bitter with Cesc desire of playing for Barcelona. There's no reason to hate the club, as I don't hate Arsenal even if their means to sign youngsterd are, at least, shady. I just love Arsenal above everythig else.

- Pique and Puyol should NOT do this kind of "jokes" in public. That is really an offense to Arsenal, and I understand your hate for those players attittude, even if they're old time friends.

- Cesc has claimed to Arsenal he wants to leave. When Toure did this, Barcelona let him go away for a right price. I think the price of Cesc should be similar, around 35 M€, though I think it could go to 40 M€. If Cesc wants to go and Barcelona wants to pay this, I think Arsenal should sell. No one wants to retain a player whose mind is elsewhere. All clubs have found this situation now and then. Mine, yours, and other. Get over it.

- Jonney, if you hate barcelona so much please go away and leave us alone. I did not come to Arsenal thread to say again and again how dirty Arsenal was by signing Cesc using legal holes and snapping 16 year old players with professional contracts that they can't have at Spain using his father jobs.
 
If we as members leave from posting you`ll be conversating to your self I love this forum sure some posting are daft ,but also entertaining. Some friends cesc have it was NOT disrespectful to Arsenal ,but more to Cesc as m8 and a professional it was a joke that lack class that `s all.

Funny Barca just doesn`t want to pay high end for someone that won`t be guarantee a starting position .I can only see Villa,messi,inesta,busquet,xavi and pedro having a secure spot. Sure xavi n inesta might get injured or they might have a fully fit season. Me personally I`m a Real Madrid Fan I love my beloved Dominicans in Madrid.
 
drekkard said:
You two simply are living in another world. Barcelona are not in bankrupcy, in fact it has much better finantial situation than Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Madrid, Inter, Milan, etc...

Paying wages is not a problem right now, Rosell is lying because finantially he neeeds to put pressure on Laporta legacy. But rest assured Barcelona's incomings are by far highher than outcomes. Besides, we just sold Toure for 30 M€ and let go some players and wages.
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I don't see how Barca can be in a much better financial situation than Inter, so far as I'm aware Moratti (and Saras Group) can finance the club's spending reasonably well. Similarly I don't think Chelsea are in dire financial straits, Abramovic might not be spending as much as 5 years ago, but I think they are secure with him around.

Also who would Rossell take out a loan of such magnitude ? There are massive inherent risks in taking out loans, especially in the current credit-squeezed enviroment. Even if Barca have the ability to pay the loan back on or ahead of time, the parent bank could have problems and their creditors could summon an earlier payment plan or increase interest rates (if the loan is linked to inflation this may happen anyway). Why would he expose Barca to risks outside of their domain ?

If what you imply (Barca are completely financially secure) is true why would he take the loan out ? He could just say something along the lines of "Laporta overspent, and now we won't finance big transfer signings for a year"
 
cfdh_edmundo said:
I don't see how Barca can be in a much better financial situation than Inter, so far as I'm aware Moratti (and Saras Group) can finance the club's spending reasonably well. Similarly I don't think Chelsea are in dire financial straits, Abramovic might not be spending as much as 5 years ago, but I think they are secure with him around.
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The main reason why Barcelona is much much safer than those 2 clubs is because barcelona is owned by 175.000 members, while Inter and Chelsea are owned by just 1 person. If Abramovich or Moratti go away, the club enters in bankrupcy instantly. It's always safer to be in the hands of 175.000 people than 1 or 2. Ask to Man Utd fans.

Besides, these clubs are losing money each season and they CAN'T generate more money than what they spend. That's the definition of something that just doesn't work. Barcelona has been generating yearly more money than they spend, and has a lot of real estate assets to deal and negotiate. So the economical position of Barcelona is a lot safer in the long run than Inter or Chelsea.

cfdh_edmundo said:
Also who would Rossell take out a loan of such magnitude ? There are massive inherent risks in taking out loans, especially in the current credit-squeezed enviroment. Even if Barca have the ability to pay the loan back on or ahead of time, the parent bank could have problems and their creditors could summon an earlier payment plan or increase interest rates (if the loan is linked to inflation this may happen anyway). Why would he expose Barca to risks outside of their domain ?

If what you imply (Barca are completely financially secure) is true why would he take the loan out ? He could just say something along the lines of "Laporta overspent, and now we won't finance big transfer signings for a year"
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That's a tricky thing, but I'll explain. This loan wasn't necessary at long term nor at mid term. But Rosell, as many presidents did before him, wants to make Laporta legacy seem horrible. Then, finantially it will be very easy for him to improve the finantial results each year of his 6-years presidential term. Besides, the loan will be used to do some non-football related operations (buying some terrains and improving the basketball stadium and some improvements in the Nou Camp area). Rosell simply made things seem worse than they are as a marketing operation.

You would say it sounds very far-fetched, but.... he did the same thing in 2003 when he entered the club with Laporta! Then they asked for a 200 M€ credit to banks and did a lot of operations with the money. 7 years later, LAporta leaved a much bigger club.

Operating with loans is a must in BIG companies. We talk about companies generating an income of more than 450 M per year right now. At this level, companies always operate in debt.

The finantial risk is when the company is in a position that would not be able to return the money at long term. But that's not the case of Barcelona. Surely the banks would deny a credit like this one to a club like Valencia (that's why they have to sell players), but Barcelona and Madrid are so big and move so much money that the banks know they can lend them credit.

And as I said, don't let the yellow press confuse you. This money is NOT to pay wages (as some have written), it will be used in a lot of operations that the club is starting right now. And one of the projects, which implies a total restructure of the Nou Camp area and selling the terrains where the Miniestadi is now (adjacent to Nou camp, a stadium of 15.000 seats), can bring back a LOT of money to the club.

Sure, the situations is not ideal. But as I stated, it's one of the clubs with better economical perspectives of the top 20.
 
beboq said:
If we as members leave from posting you`ll be conversating to your self I love this forum sure some posting are daft ,but also entertaining.
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Sorry about this guys. I was too harsh and I didn't mean you to post here at all. It's just that I didn't want to have posts again and again saying how much you hate the club. It's not a nice thing to do and it's not something I would do at any other club thread.

Debating things is great. Just coming again and again saying you hate the club because we want to sign Cesc is not that fair, in my oppinion.
 
drekkard said:
Sorry about this guys. I was too harsh and I didn't mean you to post here at all. It's just that I didn't want to have posts again and again saying how much you hate the club. It's not a nice thing to do and it's not something I would do at any other club thread.

Debating things is great. Just coming again and again saying you hate the club because we want to sign Cesc is not that fair, in my oppinion.
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i hate barcelona because of the manner in which they are luring cecs to you.

If you think any fan is happy to see one of if not their best player going to a rival club then you really dont have a clue mate. im 101% sure you would be upset if the reverse was to happen in your team.

If you soo desperate to get fab, where is our 50m? Dont reply and say 50m is too much we should price him lower. Do you got your local game shop, see a copy of NBA 2k11 and ask the shop keeper if they can lower the price for you?
 
jonneymendoza said:
i hate barcelona because of the manner in which they are luring cecs to you.

If you think any fan is happy to see one of if not their best player going to a rival club then you really dont have a clue mate. im 101% sure you would be upset if the reverse was to happen in your team.

If you soo desperate to get fab, where is our 50m? Dont reply and say 50m is too much we should price him lower. Do you got your local game shop, see a copy of NBA 2k11 and ask the shop keeper if they can lower the price for you?
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they will if you offer them a used copie of yours. =p
 
well I don`t hate Barca let`s be honest here we blame barca but we don`t want to point the finger at fab who can easily say a few words: "I want to continue at Arsenal". Since, Fab is being silent while papa fab is looking for some special treatment playing devil advocate .

I read a blog where it says Arsenal has nothing to gain by selling we don`t need money. So barca has everything to gain w/ fab I agree. Link
 
Disgusting... I'm of the oppinion that players should be fined for things like that. And fined big. I mean, in the eurocup celebration, Reina was obviously drunk talking in public and no one complained. The example for kids is terrible.

I wonder if this happens in other sports as well.
 
I read that the one Pique spitted on is a former Valencia president. Is that true?
 
busquet said:
However, the defensive midfielder also issued a word of caution, calling for respect for the Gunners, adding, "But we have to respect that he is owned by another club that is not Barcelona, that he is an Arsenal player and, for the time being, there's nothing to be done."
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Busquets I hope you have a good holiday .
 
Well, I stated many times that Barcelona will spend no more than 40 M€ for Cesc. To me that's the right price (Toure's 30 M€ to City was the right price, too). Arsenal can sell for that price or try to retain the player, but the pressure will start piling because the player wants to go to Barcelona, and when a player wants to go, it's extremely hard to retain him. We've seen it /and suffered it) many times.

I think Arsenal will try very hard to retain him. It's the obvious and natural option. Barcelona will simply sit down and wait, knowing that the player will come this year for 40 M€ or next year for less than that. I thought it would have been faster than that, but I still see it happening.

I've seen this scenario many many times. In fact, Barcelona didn't want Touré to go at any cost, but the player wanted out so the club finally accepted the Man City offer. When a player wants to go to a specific place, there's not much you can do. You end up loosing one way or another. Not that I like players trying to break millionaire contracts they signed. But that's another debate...

Barcelona have 50 M€ to spend on transfer, or so they've said to the press. I think it's simply a measure to lower the prices. We've already sold Toure and Chigrynsky for a total of 40 M€ and bought Villa for that, so up to now we've spent around 0 €. With the 50 M€ cap, we have to buy a defender and a "star" player that can be Cesc or another one. Guardiola wants Cesc. I would prefer Robben, but I think Robben could be even more expensive than Cesc.

I wouldn't like the process to be stretched through time. It will be bad for everyone involved. But you know how is the football world. I only expect the maximum respect for Arsenal, for the player and for Barcelona.
 
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So we have signed Adriano from Sevilla. A great player in my oppinion. He can play ar side back both left and right, and can play further in the pitch even as RW or LW. He can play in almost any position in the field and he's VERY fast. A great piece to add to the puzzle and add variations to the starting eleven.

The only downward is he's quite prone to injuries. But let's see how we deal with that.

The cost seems good to me: 10 M€ for a great player that knows La Liga already.
 
Expect Fabregas to be gone the first week after the season ends as they'll agree the deal during the season.
 
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