matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Both teams were shocking for diving, and it was appalling that you could predict it happening when they got in a tight spot.
Busquets was made worse for the look he gave the ref on the floor though, what a thundercunt.
Busquets was made worse for the look he gave the ref on the floor though, what a thundercunt.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
exactly sore fucking losers man. I wished arsenal played like inter. we could have beaten barcelona had we sit back and defended better.
Morinho is a brilliant manager. You dont win champions league with different teams if your not and like someone said, Any manager including me could probably win 2-3 trophies with that barcelona team.
Toss steve mclaren and even he can win something with that barcelona team. Not to mention how blooming easy and boring the spanish league is right now. i mean 20+ points between 2nd and 3rd placE? lol thats worse than the scottish league!
Barcelona played shit, no plan B, pass pass pass with no effect. Just like arsenal really. Morinho knows how to deal with teams like arsenal and barcelona. i dont think morinho has lost a single game against arsenal.
kudo's to morinho and hope one day he becomes the next arsenal manager.
Totally agree, some on here think he's a good player, I think he's absolute cack and as I had pointed out (possibly on this thread) all he does is play-act, he contributes nowt else, apart from selling goals (watch Arsenal game).
Best team went through.
FD
Rantboy
International
- 27 December 2002
- Fluminense FC / Arsenal
Barcelona looked as ineffective as Arsenal against top sides. No real threat and sense of urgency until the last 10 minutes. Just pass, pass, pass and innocuous possession most of the time.
Poor performance from Ibra. And I can't remember Messi being so well marked! Merits to Mourinho and Inter players. Lucio and Samuel were immense, Julio Cesar showed he's probably the world's best keeper and hats off to Samuel Eto'o, what a display of teamwork and determination! A lesson in defending overall. I think they deserve it and will be rooting for them against Bayern.
Poor performance from Ibra. And I can't remember Messi being so well marked! Merits to Mourinho and Inter players. Lucio and Samuel were immense, Julio Cesar showed he's probably the world's best keeper and hats off to Samuel Eto'o, what a display of teamwork and determination! A lesson in defending overall. I think they deserve it and will be rooting for them against Bayern.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
Inter definetly deserved it. BARCA did sweet FA last night and messi? where was you mate?
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
The thing about Messi is that he can only play against teams that allow him to play. No offence to Arsenal but its their style of play that allowed Messi to score 4 against them.
This is one of those things why I prefer Ronaldo cuz even in games like this when things arent going his way, he probably would have whacked in a freekick or a 30 year thunder bolt for the win.
This is one of those things why I prefer Ronaldo cuz even in games like this when things arent going his way, he probably would have whacked in a freekick or a 30 year thunder bolt for the win.
The_Special_One
I like Unicorns
Is not that simple mate. Pep Guardiola had the merit to rebuild Barça after two crappy years under Rijkaard's command. He made some significant changes at Camp Nou. Sold Deco and Ronaldinho (who were playing shit and bad behavior), bought Daniel Alves, put some young guns from the "cantera", etc.
But you lot are right when say Barça don't have a plan B. Maybe they should call MacGyver.
+1
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Can't get enough of these.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
Is not that simple mate. Pep Guardiola had the merit to rebuild Barça after two crappy years under Rijkaard's command. He made some significant changes at Camp Nou. Sold Deco and Ronaldinho (who were playing shit and bad behavior), bought Daniel Alves, put some young guns from the "cantera", etc.
But you lot are right when say Barça don't have a plan B. Maybe they should call MacGyver.
+1
two crappy years of rijkaard winning you trophies? he won the champions league and the title multiple times. yea his shit and wasnt the one who threw messi into the deep and help make him a star.
Dont know why many people dont give credit for rijjard in hsi time at barcelona. redicolous. And some of u lot got the cheek to say "stick with wenger" the manager with no trophy in 5 years
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
None taken, when many people praised messi has god of football, i said how arsenal made him look like god but no one listened
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Its cuz everyone believes the hype. Arsenal play like a Spanish side and that's what Messi is used to dominating.
From what I see, in Spain everyone plays their own game instead of trying to stifle the opponents. And this follows through to the refs too who feel even the slightest of contacts is enough for a foul. So teams compete on the pitch to see who can attack better and the best team wins. Barca and Madrid are the best two teams there at the moment, and this explains why they lose fewer games there. Cuz if you're the best team, you're only gonna lose if you're having a bad day, not if the other team is having a good day.
Barca and Madrid (and even Messi) arent used to playing teams that know how to stifle opponents and when it comes to stifling, Mourinho is the master.
Its kinda like the analogy of "the irresistable force meets the immovable object". In Spain, teams are like forces that collide and the stronger force wins. They dont have immovable objects in Spain.
Over in the EPL and other European leagues, you do get immovable objects. We have quite a few in the EPL, which is why the top teams lose more and more games every year. Chelsea are on course to winning the title and they've lost 6 games compared to Barca's 1 in the league. In the EPL, the top 7 teams are all quality sides.
And this is why I rate Ronaldo higher. Cuz he's been through the rough and tough of a EPL season. Lets see Messi fight some of the our defences and then he'll earn my respect.
From what I see, in Spain everyone plays their own game instead of trying to stifle the opponents. And this follows through to the refs too who feel even the slightest of contacts is enough for a foul. So teams compete on the pitch to see who can attack better and the best team wins. Barca and Madrid are the best two teams there at the moment, and this explains why they lose fewer games there. Cuz if you're the best team, you're only gonna lose if you're having a bad day, not if the other team is having a good day.
Barca and Madrid (and even Messi) arent used to playing teams that know how to stifle opponents and when it comes to stifling, Mourinho is the master.
Its kinda like the analogy of "the irresistable force meets the immovable object". In Spain, teams are like forces that collide and the stronger force wins. They dont have immovable objects in Spain.
Over in the EPL and other European leagues, you do get immovable objects. We have quite a few in the EPL, which is why the top teams lose more and more games every year. Chelsea are on course to winning the title and they've lost 6 games compared to Barca's 1 in the league. In the EPL, the top 7 teams are all quality sides.
And this is why I rate Ronaldo higher. Cuz he's been through the rough and tough of a EPL season. Lets see Messi fight some of the our defences and then he'll earn my respect.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Well that's debatable, just compare the points total of the two biggest teams in both countries during the last five seasons:
England: Man Utd and Chelsea
2008/09: 173 pts
2007/08: 172
2006/07: 172
2005/06: 174
2004/05: 172
Spain: Barcelona and Real Madrid
2008/09: 165
2007/08: 152
2006/07: 152
2005/06: 152
2004/05: 164
Now which one is less competitive? Which one has the biggest gap between top and bottom?
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Wouldnt it be more fair to look up the points gap between teams and the number of teams competing for the title, than the total amount of points? If Chelsea for example got a lot of point next season, it could be argued that its because they were that good, not because the league is weaker.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
There is other criteria, such as the number of teams challenging and the teams that have qualified for Europe.
Chelsea, Liverpool, United and Arsenal all challengers for the title in the last 5 years whereas only Madrid and Barcelona were realistically. Obviously in the Premier League's favour there.
But then for the European spots for La Liga there has been Mallorca, Sevilla, Villareal, Deportivo, Valencia, Atletico, Racing, Zaragoza, Celta Vigo and Osasuna who have finished in remaining European spots. England on the other hand have had Spurs, Villa, City, Fulham, Everton, Blackburn and Bolton. La Liga was more competitive there, 3 other teams finished.
The gap in competitiveness is certainly not that big.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
I just want to know.....Where`s drekkard?
Hi lads! After going out the stadium, I had to go to work to finish a project and worked overnight until yesterday night. It's been a nightmare for me with all that work, and I'm exhausted right now. I have the match fresh in my memory, though! It was a good night of football and wanted to make a long post, so I needed some minutes to write it and waited until today, that I'm back to the world.
About Busquets (you know from this thread I despise him):
I already knew Busquets was doing his usual when he fell down. I totally hate this player, I hate divers so Busquets and Alves (while Alves being a great player) are not in my list. But Busquets does nothing but that all the time. I can't understand what Pep sees in him. I don't get it. He's ashaming and he should go away now.
That said, you should also see how the Inter players acted from minute 1 to 90, every contact was them having a heartattack and falling to the floor. Every damn time. I think I saw a statistic that only 45 minutes were played during the whole match. In the stadium it was atrocious to see the match being stopped all the time. I hate when football comes to this. Totally hate it for both teams. Inter players did the same of Busquets for the whole match, so don't focus on him only.
I think both teams played badly, thought we played far worse than Inter. I mean, many people is praising Mourinho for stopping Barca, and it's fair (yes, he was great deffensively, but they didn't cross the halfline!), but the main problem for us was that Guardiola did a poor planning of the match. VERY poor. From the first minute I couldn't understand why the hell we needed Toure, Busquets, Xavi and Milito on the midfield. And why Xavi and Messi were playing together as AMC, totally stepping one into each other. From the start I was at the stadium and couldn't believe the formation.
And the worse of all, as many said, was that there was no plan B. Motta was sent off and Guardiola did nothing until halftime. How can you manage like this? You must make changes fast and try to put pressure on the opponent like devils! We should be crossing the ball all the time, waiting for the deffensive errors. We did nothing like this. It's true we played like Arsenal against top teams. I think it's a problem of mentality. Teams that love "passing" football seem to forget that you can score from ugly plays too in this sport. I wish we had Larsson in the pitch yesterday. That was a clever man in the area.
Then ther'es the attittude problem again: last minute, we earn a corner. Valdes doesn't even come to the area and Xavi passes short to play some passes back. So, we have all the team to try to score the last corner and they don't even cross it? Are they focused on what are they doing?
I agree with many people here, we played shit and Guardiola was abysmal all the match. Messi should have played in the right wing. It's more difficult to be stopped there in those cuircumstances. All that made Mourinho plans much easy. I know they were with only 10 men and all that, but they didn't even shoot for 90 minutes! That's quite poor to me. I mean, we played Madrid in november for 60 minutes with 10 men and we managed to score and win the match. I know Inter didn't need it, but... if Messi had scored that shot in the first half (Julio Cesar did one of the best saves I've seen in many years) they would have gone down.
Anyway, credit to Inter for an epic deffense, and Mourinho to know how to turn football into something that barely resembles football to win. I mean, it's difficult to do and has its merit, it's just that it's not my style.
Finally, Guardiola, please, start to make a PLAN B. We need to put decent crosses, we need to take profit of corners, we need people who knows how to shoot long rangers. All the things you need to do when your opponent puts a catenaccio like this! I know OPep will do something this summer to strengthen the team.
Inter has shot 6 times in 180 minutes and scored 3 (1 in offside), we have shot 20 times (but only 6 good chances) and scored 2 (1 in offside). So overall, pretty tied and the luckiest team went on. Luck is important. We made it in Stamford Bridge last year because of luck (Chelsea was way better than us). So now it's time to Inter to take profit of that luck.
Congrats to Inter and Bayern fans, and hope you enjoy your final!
PS: The stadium was full and the ambience was spectacular. When Bojan scored the secondth (which was disallowed fairly, I think) many people thought the miracle had been done. You should see the faces. Even with the elimination, these are the matches that make fans of football.
About Busquets (you know from this thread I despise him):
I already knew Busquets was doing his usual when he fell down. I totally hate this player, I hate divers so Busquets and Alves (while Alves being a great player) are not in my list. But Busquets does nothing but that all the time. I can't understand what Pep sees in him. I don't get it. He's ashaming and he should go away now.
That said, you should also see how the Inter players acted from minute 1 to 90, every contact was them having a heartattack and falling to the floor. Every damn time. I think I saw a statistic that only 45 minutes were played during the whole match. In the stadium it was atrocious to see the match being stopped all the time. I hate when football comes to this. Totally hate it for both teams. Inter players did the same of Busquets for the whole match, so don't focus on him only.
I think both teams played badly, thought we played far worse than Inter. I mean, many people is praising Mourinho for stopping Barca, and it's fair (yes, he was great deffensively, but they didn't cross the halfline!), but the main problem for us was that Guardiola did a poor planning of the match. VERY poor. From the first minute I couldn't understand why the hell we needed Toure, Busquets, Xavi and Milito on the midfield. And why Xavi and Messi were playing together as AMC, totally stepping one into each other. From the start I was at the stadium and couldn't believe the formation.
And the worse of all, as many said, was that there was no plan B. Motta was sent off and Guardiola did nothing until halftime. How can you manage like this? You must make changes fast and try to put pressure on the opponent like devils! We should be crossing the ball all the time, waiting for the deffensive errors. We did nothing like this. It's true we played like Arsenal against top teams. I think it's a problem of mentality. Teams that love "passing" football seem to forget that you can score from ugly plays too in this sport. I wish we had Larsson in the pitch yesterday. That was a clever man in the area.
Then ther'es the attittude problem again: last minute, we earn a corner. Valdes doesn't even come to the area and Xavi passes short to play some passes back. So, we have all the team to try to score the last corner and they don't even cross it? Are they focused on what are they doing?
I agree with many people here, we played shit and Guardiola was abysmal all the match. Messi should have played in the right wing. It's more difficult to be stopped there in those cuircumstances. All that made Mourinho plans much easy. I know they were with only 10 men and all that, but they didn't even shoot for 90 minutes! That's quite poor to me. I mean, we played Madrid in november for 60 minutes with 10 men and we managed to score and win the match. I know Inter didn't need it, but... if Messi had scored that shot in the first half (Julio Cesar did one of the best saves I've seen in many years) they would have gone down.
Anyway, credit to Inter for an epic deffense, and Mourinho to know how to turn football into something that barely resembles football to win. I mean, it's difficult to do and has its merit, it's just that it's not my style.
Finally, Guardiola, please, start to make a PLAN B. We need to put decent crosses, we need to take profit of corners, we need people who knows how to shoot long rangers. All the things you need to do when your opponent puts a catenaccio like this! I know OPep will do something this summer to strengthen the team.
Inter has shot 6 times in 180 minutes and scored 3 (1 in offside), we have shot 20 times (but only 6 good chances) and scored 2 (1 in offside). So overall, pretty tied and the luckiest team went on. Luck is important. We made it in Stamford Bridge last year because of luck (Chelsea was way better than us). So now it's time to Inter to take profit of that luck.
Congrats to Inter and Bayern fans, and hope you enjoy your final!
PS: The stadium was full and the ambience was spectacular. When Bojan scored the secondth (which was disallowed fairly, I think) many people thought the miracle had been done. You should see the faces. Even with the elimination, these are the matches that make fans of football.
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jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
drowning his sorrows
gerd
Retired Footballer
And of course you felt the same towards a certain Cristiano Ronaldo when he played for a certain Manchester team ???
Compared to Ronaldo Busquets is an example of fair play (where diving is concerned).
I've' heard in the Guardian podcast that in the first leg Ibrahimovic had run less distance than Valdes...if that is true, that is a remarkable stat aswell...i've always said that Inter did a great job in swapping Ibrahimovic (+ money) for Eto'o. Eto'o is a different player now from the natural goal scorer he was in Barcelona, but he's still an very important player. Barcelona need a good center forward (not necassarily Eto'o, but someone better than Ibrahimovic, i rate Diego Milito much higher as a CF). In the second half Barcelona looked desperate and clueless.
"Our" referee De Bleeckere did not have his best night...
And still, i think Inter will loose against Bayern.
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Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Messi actually ran comparatively less than everyone else. And if he'd been taken off on the hour like Ibrahimovic, he would have covered the least ground on the pitch, even less than Ibrahimovic.
Not sure what you're trying to get from that though. Both players hadn't trained for a while and it was Ibrahimovic's first start since he scored two goals against Arsenal.
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
The players didn't have to run that much in the match anyway, it was always in Inters half of the pitch.
I know it was the way to win and they did have a man sent off. But it was so shit. I big team like Inter basically having every man behind the ball in their area for the whole match!
I don't care what you say, If you have a whole team basically defending in their box, then it is going to take something very very special to get past them....especially a team like Inter. But I don't think Messi et al can be so harshly criticised? I think Inter should be criticised on the way they played made the game fucking dreadful.
I know they did what they had to do and they did what they had to do in the first leg aswell (which I thought they played well). You can blame Barccelona for the first game, but I don't think anybody could have broken down Inter the way they played the last game.
What plan B should they adopt to a team that all sit behind the ball in their area for the whole game? surely you just have to pass it around and try and find an opening, which they did? how else do you do it? take more long shots? thats about the only thing I can think of.
Anyway, i hope Bayern win in the final
I know it was the way to win and they did have a man sent off. But it was so shit. I big team like Inter basically having every man behind the ball in their area for the whole match!
I don't care what you say, If you have a whole team basically defending in their box, then it is going to take something very very special to get past them....especially a team like Inter. But I don't think Messi et al can be so harshly criticised? I think Inter should be criticised on the way they played made the game fucking dreadful.
I know they did what they had to do and they did what they had to do in the first leg aswell (which I thought they played well). You can blame Barccelona for the first game, but I don't think anybody could have broken down Inter the way they played the last game.
What plan B should they adopt to a team that all sit behind the ball in their area for the whole game? surely you just have to pass it around and try and find an opening, which they did? how else do you do it? take more long shots? thats about the only thing I can think of.
Anyway, i hope Bayern win in the final
gerd
Retired Footballer
The Ibrahimovic stats were from the first leg, not the second.
What i'm trying to get from that is that IMO Ibrahimovic is an overhyped player.
People who follow Serie A will say that he was brilliant when he was with Inter. Who am i to think otherwise? The fact is that Zlatan clearly doesn't seem to be a big match player. I rarely saw him excell in very big matches.
Compare that to Eto'o who played in 2 CL finals and scored the first goal in both.
I also agree with drekkard that Barcelona miss Henke Larsson, another Swedish striker but that one is largely underrated. He's one of the best forwards i've ever seen. A very good and intelligent player. And that is what is wrong with Ibramovic IMO, he lacks football intelligence.
About Inter: they have an abundance of intelligent players: Cambiasso, Zanetti, Milito, Sneijder, Eto'o...
I don't care who will win the final. I'm a fan of the sort of football that teams like Arsenal and Barcelona play. But i admire Inter for their cleverness and Bayern for their determination. I don't think we will see a spectacular final, but it will be a very interesting match. I'm tempted to say that Bayern will win but when i think about the fact that Milito and Eto'o will face De Michelis and Van Buyten, it is very clear that Inter will score goals. It would be good for the neutrals however if Bayern would score the first goal.
What i'm trying to get from that is that IMO Ibrahimovic is an overhyped player.
People who follow Serie A will say that he was brilliant when he was with Inter. Who am i to think otherwise? The fact is that Zlatan clearly doesn't seem to be a big match player. I rarely saw him excell in very big matches.
Compare that to Eto'o who played in 2 CL finals and scored the first goal in both.
I also agree with drekkard that Barcelona miss Henke Larsson, another Swedish striker but that one is largely underrated. He's one of the best forwards i've ever seen. A very good and intelligent player. And that is what is wrong with Ibramovic IMO, he lacks football intelligence.
About Inter: they have an abundance of intelligent players: Cambiasso, Zanetti, Milito, Sneijder, Eto'o...
I don't care who will win the final. I'm a fan of the sort of football that teams like Arsenal and Barcelona play. But i admire Inter for their cleverness and Bayern for their determination. I don't think we will see a spectacular final, but it will be a very interesting match. I'm tempted to say that Bayern will win but when i think about the fact that Milito and Eto'o will face De Michelis and Van Buyten, it is very clear that Inter will score goals. It would be good for the neutrals however if Bayern would score the first goal.
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Guess I'm not alone in thinking Guardiola isn't a genius. I don't like Barca, neither Inter, but Mourinho won. I'm saying Mourinho and not Inter because he made the difference with his right attitude that was reflected on players.
Guardiola? No plan b mr. "I won 6 titles in one season"? So Motta got sent off and Mourinho parked the bus, what next? Change your tactics man. Throw more men in the box and cross. Try a few passes here and there, open up gaps to the goal to shoot for example. Passing the ball around from side to side to get the passing count high won't win you games.
It was obvious that Messi couldn't do shit. So why keep insisting on taking on players? At least some people now know he's no god. He makes perfect use of players throwing themselves at him. But when players do what Cambiasso/Motta did, Messi would think twice and just pass the ball.
I would love to see Guardiola managing another team and prove he can do what he did at Barca.
About Inter, I thought they played a much better game the 1st leg. The 2nd half of the 2nd leg was just a complete waste of 45mins of my life. I was just waiting for the 45 mins to end, and that was pretty loooong.
Final-wise, I think Bayern is the better team, and I think they will win.
Guardiola? No plan b mr. "I won 6 titles in one season"? So Motta got sent off and Mourinho parked the bus, what next? Change your tactics man. Throw more men in the box and cross. Try a few passes here and there, open up gaps to the goal to shoot for example. Passing the ball around from side to side to get the passing count high won't win you games.
It was obvious that Messi couldn't do shit. So why keep insisting on taking on players? At least some people now know he's no god. He makes perfect use of players throwing themselves at him. But when players do what Cambiasso/Motta did, Messi would think twice and just pass the ball.
I would love to see Guardiola managing another team and prove he can do what he did at Barca.
About Inter, I thought they played a much better game the 1st leg. The 2nd half of the 2nd leg was just a complete waste of 45mins of my life. I was just waiting for the 45 mins to end, and that was pretty loooong.
Final-wise, I think Bayern is the better team, and I think they will win.
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Yes I did Gerd, I've often tried to make excuses for his diving, but I could never say I was happy with him.
Especially in his last year at United, I was more critical of him than most for not getting up after not getting a foul for example.
I just really cannot stand Busquets, he's a snivelling, talentless little cunt and yet he gets away with it because he plays for Barca. At least Ronaldo is a talented wanker.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
I never said anything to the contrary...
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RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Yeah, Ronaldo was at his worst in his last season. During his first few years, he used to do quite a bit, and people thought that's just the kinda player he is. But then for the two years before his last, he was amazing. Everytime he got knocked down, he'd jump back up and carry on. So it was quite frustrating in his last season cuz we knew Ronaldo didnt have to sit there and moan when he was on the floor or dive to win the game cuz he's already proven at this point that he doesnt need to do it. Just goes to show the difference Ronaldo makes when he's actually happy and wants to do well for the team at all costs.
Messi I've also seen dive but no one mentions it. This is mainly because people only dive when they're in desperate need of an advantage, and Barca are rarely on the back foot, almost never in fact. So you can call him humble or a great character and all that I personally dont buy it.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Compared to Ronaldo, Messi is very, very humble and has a great character.
But compared to Ronaldo even John Lydon is very humble.
Thanks for your honest and fair reaction Matherto.
Aboutreika: that wasn't a reaction to your post, there are other members on this forum you know...
But compared to Ronaldo even John Lydon is very humble.
Thanks for your honest and fair reaction Matherto.
Aboutreika: that wasn't a reaction to your post, there are other members on this forum you know...
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
There's a useful "quote" button in the bottom right hand corner of a post, you know.
I think you're totally wrong here man, and as sometimes I told you, I doubt you watch full matches of Barcelona and Madrid too often. You will see Messi diving once or twice per season, or at least that's what I see, and I watch ALL his games.
Assuming you're actually talking about diving. Diving means no one tackled you and you jump anyway to fool the ref or constantly overact. Busquets is someone who does this all the time, but you will HARDLY see Messi doing this. Most of the time some people acuse him of diving are plays in which there is contact and he goes to the floor even if it's not foul; but he didn't dive, he just got down because of the inertia of the play. And you will hardly see Messi moaning to the ref for this.
On the other side, he's the subject of brutal tackles and you will hardly see him moaning like Ronaldo. Don't try to enter this debate because it's pretty useless. Ronaldo dives olimpically so often (I could put you at least 15 examples this season in which he went down theatrically without any contact), he constantly moans to the ref no matter what heppened and he even moans to his mates.
The behaviour of Messi inside the pitch has been generally what everyone would expect from a star, no matter if he wins or looses. And outside the pitch as well, without any single bad word from him. He may be the most humble big star I've seen in my life, in fact.