FC Barcelona Thread

There is lots of racism in Belgium too, unfortunately.
Don't think it's any worse in Spain.
Very good reaction by Dani Alves.
 
Theres racism anywhere , its only matter of how people feel "free" to say it, many people are "racist" but mostly keep it inside and there are others who just say/do things.

I see here in usa a lot of racism too from white but also black people as well, i'm dating a black girl and when we go some places most of people are black they are looking me like WTF and sometimes even made some comments , but tbh it doesnt bother me that much I guess when it coms from white people to black its more "bad" maybe mostly coz of history and coz some people like also to play victim and make a big deal of it.

If for some reason(doesnt matter why) a white guy kills a black guy its all over media and black people (well not all) say only reason why he killed him its coz hes black and if happen same thing but black guy kills white guy its not as "big deal" as other one. Once again i think its history...

In Kosovo i didnt know much about racism since there arent any black , asian , spanish people who lives there... But saw racism in most of places i bean and biggest one in USA
 
That's just your opinion through experience . The USA is hardly as racist as you might think. The president elected (Obama )suggested otherwise . The voting by race by whites is like 75% or more, whites voted for Obama a black man.... That's a lot of whites mate :LOL: some thought he would be killed in a weeks time. He won the 2nd term so we can't call thunderstorms in one area as it was a thunder storming in the whole country .


Anyhow as Hollywood begin to change so has the world in a ' let's accept mind frame' . I'd posted pic of me, wife n daughter once. We all look different shades wife being Spanish , me Hispanic n such . So ,when I see racism or race related situation it's in a very small degree like a thunderstorm ( disturbing as it may be) there are mostly good ppl in general that aren't. In today's news in the USA a owner ( white man) said a racist remark n his life is turn upside down ( NBA owner today gone tomorrow ) he may not even be a racist just unlucky ( had a moment) his bird is Black/ Mexican lol that sold the tapes of his remarks. He's a old school bloke like in his 80's . Anyhow the whole world is against him, no one wants to be label a racist there next to terrorist.

Edit : for readers to be aware you live in Atlanta , more blacks there than any part of the US.
 
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Well they voted obama coz i believe 90%+ of black/spanish voted for him also die hard democrats voted so he won but im not saying all people here are racist

I meet this couple they were looking to buy a home and they look a great one but tey didnt lile coz in area there were to many black people , but this guys have black friends and they acr really nice when they are with them...

Yeah in Atlanta have many black special in downtown but i live more south its more country over here :P

Well I'll be going back to my home sweet home in monday so excited :)
 
next season luis enrique will take over as the new coach I believe. his celta side have been playing a very promising football and just as the way barça would like to see.
 
Apologies I heard they scored and that Diego left injured. So I assume the worst....again sry. Looks like i assumed other women were my wife that wasn't. It's been that kind of evening for me.
 
Let's hope next season we have players that WANT to play and win. Let's hope Luis Enrique can make it.

But I doubt this club can be competitive again until the current board leaves.
 
Barca have truly fallen away now. Luis Enrique? Really?

I know Barca enjoy managers who were ex players but he was average as Roma manager, yes? But good at Celta Vigo?

Huge risk. Very strange from Barcelona, this.
 
He was a youth coach at Barcelona before moving to Roma. His teams play really nice football, and this year's Celta was no exception.

He's going to settle there easily, I think. Looking forward to seeing Rafinha getting more game during the season.
 
jeez. guardiola once was a huge risk too. he had zero top-flight experience when he was first appointed as barcelona coach in 2008. and look at where he is now.

serie a is totally a different environment to spanish league. I think this is the ideal move for barça.
 
Messi is not in the best 11 of La Liga this season. For god sake, isn't 28 goals scored enough to get into the best 11?
 
Kanouté said:
jeez. guardiola once was a huge risk too. he had zero top-flight experience when he was first appointed as barcelona coach in 2008. and look at where he is now.

serie a is totally a different environment to spanish league. I think this is the ideal move for barça.
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Well we'll just have to wait and see, won't we? The thing is, in La Liga, even David Moyes could guide Barcelona to at least 3rd place because the rest of the teams are poor compared due to Real and Barca being financially doped.

It's sickening really. I would love Atletico, Sevilla etc go on and build on their successes this season but they won't be able to - if Real or Barca turn their big ugly heads towards players they want, that's it.

It's what makes La Liga a poor league in terms of entertainment for me - this season was a freak, a one-off. Normal service will be resumed next season with Real Madrid being huge favourites for sure.

Same goes with German league. Bayern just buy everything so others can't have it. Sickens me.
 
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steak, would you mind re-reading your previous post and then the first sentence of your last one? you can easily see why I reacted that way to that post. :)

next season esp. sevilla and valencia(new owner) will be better than the latest years I believe.

I can see that you as an EPL fan don't like to see how the things are in other leagues but it's kinda natural. every other league in the world, one or two or three horse race.

the issues with la liga are not so abnormal to me. it's raised a lot in the media because real and barça are just too f'n popular. the leagues in the rest of europe have similar issues as well.
 
I actually love all European leagues and watch a lot of football in Spain, Portugal, Italy and Germany.

I fear for Spanish football though. It's corrupt in reality - Real Madrid and Barcelona are La Liga's and Michel Platini's darlings. They get away with what they want.

Until this is addressed, La Liga will always be the same. I will eat my words if Atletico protect their crown next season and other parties come into play as well.

Can you imagine Real Madrid or Barca ever finishing below 3rd? It's so boring.

At least with the Premier League it's chopped and changed at the top hell of a lot in recent times.

Chelsea missed out on top 4 a few years ago. Man Utd did last season. Liverpool nearly won league this season. It's so interesting and all of the teams get fair tv deals.

La Liga need to change something.
 
steak, I might be the only one here who likes to read your posts, read different opinions no matter what (but here it's coming) but! but you're kinda being repetitive sometimes (even if you're right). let it go, man. we as most fans can do nothing about most of the problems in football that we talk about all the time. I wish we could but no point in talking about some issues over and over and over again. let's just (try to) enjoy what we have in our hands, eh? :)
 
i just heard about luis enrique and i'm very happy for him.
i was skeptical when roma first signed him and, to be honest, i wasn't overly impressed by his first steps in italian football either, but the "italian job" provided him with a fantastic opportunity to gain experience (serie a is facing a huge decline, but working in that league still remains the equivalent of a doctorate for a professional coach).
and luis definitely seized that opportunity to grow professionally, as over the course of the season, he managed to get rid of much of his naivety, without compromising with his original ideas about football (which are indeed very fascinating). i was so impressed by him i was actually sad when he left, at the end of the season.

i can't foresee the future and i'm terrible at predictions, but i believe he's got the potential to become a great coach.
whether he'll succeed or not, that's for us to find out in the next few years. but what i do know and what i can tell right now is that this guy has a lot to add to the tactical discourse going on in europe. his football is beautiful (although perhaps still a bit too uncompromising), and his aesthetic sense is quite different from what we're seeing theese days in spain. what i mean by that is that his football is not "guardiola-beautiful" (which, for many, is not beautiful at all), it's "montella-beautiful" (and for those who have no idea of what that means, his football is much more "vertical" and less "defensive-oriented" than guardiola's).
this is gonna be a breathe of fresh air for barçelona fans, and, although i realise it's gonna be very hard (and unpopular) to drop a type of football which led to so many successes over the last years, i hope luis enrique will be able to instil his own brand of football into this barçelona team. he certainly has the guts and the charisma to do it.

also (but that's kinda irrelevant, from a professional point of view) the guy is a MONUMENTAL class act.:))
 
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Hey great insight about Luis Enrique at Roma. I too hope he can bring new qualities to our football, but for some reason I think his only and main concern should be Messi and his position and gravity on the field. If he succeeds to get Messi in the wheel again, then he has many chances of success.

I'm bored of non-intentional possession as many people. But some (most of them long time haters) seem to forget that the first 3 years of Guardiola were not that deffensive or speculative. Very high pressure and lots of quick attacks when the ball was recovered, leading to a lot of counter-counter-goals, so to speak. The team then was averaging more than 10 clear goal chances per match.

The moment the team won the second Champions League and put style over substance is when things started to go wrong. I think Luis Enrique can revert this trend and work a lot on the physical side of the sport and the mental too.

But if fitting Messi well is the only real problem I see for him in the tactical side, he has another problem above him, which is the current board and the always dangerous and toxic "environment". Total useless people. Let's see who they sign, because the squad needs a heavy facelift, no less than 8 going out and 8 going in.
 
Drekkard said:
Hey great insight about Luis Enrique at Roma. I too hope he can bring new qualities to our football, but for some reason I think his only and main concern should be Messi and his position and gravity on the field. If he succeeds to get Messi in the wheel again, then he has many chances of success.
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hey Alexis, long time no talk buddy :))
yeah messi is obviously the cornerstone of this team, no way around that. therefore, in finding a new dimension for barçelona, luis should obviously make sure messi feels "comfortable" with it. but i believe there's more to it.
infact i think luis enrique's main challenge will be to find some new motivations for the players. theese guys have won everything there is to win in football... repeatedly. they dominated the european scene for a very long period (like few teams have done in history). when u consider that the average "life-cycle" of a team is about 3-4 years, what this team has already achieved is incredible; to remain on top of their game for so many years, to mantain that same intensity, the same "hunger", the same discipline for such a long span... it was amazing really.
of course a major overhaul of the team (as u suggest) would be the most logical option to "keep the fire alive", but how can u do that? replacing the entire spine of a world class team over a short period of time would be financially impossible in today's market. u might replace 2 or 3 players per year, but anything more that that would be just unrealistic, even for a very rich club such as barçelona.
i think that's gonna be luis enrique most difficult challenge: to reset the players' minds, to start from scratch and to give them new motivations in order to pull the best out of them.

drekkard said:
I'm bored of non-intentional possession as many people. But some (most of them long time haters) seem to forget that the first 3 years of Guardiola were not that deffensive or speculative. Very high pressure and lots of quick attacks when the ball was recovered, leading to a lot of counter-counter-goals, so to speak. The team then was averaging more than 10 clear goal chances per match.
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i should point out i'm not a guardiola hater at all (although i realise u already knew that).... infact i'm a huge fan of guardiola. he's been an innovator, he brought something new and fresh to european football and his ideas had a huge influence on european football over the last years.
i'm not overly fond of his football, but that has only to do with my personal taste and aesthetic sense, and it certainly doesn't mean i don't appreciate his genius (i'm also not overly fond of capello's football, but i have no problems admitting he's one of the best out there).
also, when i defined his football "defensive-oriented", i didn't mean it as a derogatory statement. i don't subscribe to the theory according to which defensive football equals to bad football and offensive football=good football; in my book there's room for 2 categories only: quality football and poor football. and neither of them have anything to do with the approach a team takes (offensive or defensive).
besides "defensive" isn't even the most appropriate expression to define guardiola's football; speculative is a much more fitting word. that's infact the word i meant to use, but i wasn't sure the english word "speculative" had the same meaning of the italian word "speculativo" (sometimes english\americans take an italian word and give it a different meaning\nuance).
 
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lo zio said:
hey Alexis, long time no talk buddy :))
yeah messi is obviously the cornerstone of this team, no way around that. therefore, in finding a new dimension for barçelona, luis should obviously make sure messi feels "comfortable" with it. but i believe there's more to it.
infact i think luis enrique's main challenge will be to find some new motivations for the players. theese guys have won everything there is to win in football... repeatedly. they dominated the european scene for a very long period (like few teams have done in history). when u consider that the average "life-cycle" of a team is about 3-4 years, what this team has already achieved is incredible; to remain on top of their game for so many years, to mantain that same intensity, the same "hunger", the same discipline for such a long span... it was amazing really.
of course a major overhaul of the team (as u suggest) would be the most logical option to "keep the fire alive", but how can u do that? replacing the entire spine of a world class team over a short period of time would be financially impossible in today's market. u might replace 2 or 3 players per year, but anything more that that would be just unrealistic, even for a very rich club such as barçelona.
i think that's gonna be luis enrique most difficult challenge: to reset the players' minds, to start from scratch and to give them new motivations in order to pull the best out of them.


i should point out i'm not a guardiola hater at all (although i realise u already knew that).... infact i'm a huge fan of guardiola. he's been an innovator, he brought something new and fresh to european football and his ideas had a huge influence on european football over the last years.
i'm not overly fond of his football, but that has only to do with my personal taste and aesthetic sense, and it certainly doesn't mean i don't appreciate his genius (i'm also not overly fond of capello's football, but i have no problems admitting he's one of the best out there).
also, when i defined his football "defensive-oriented", i didn't mean it as a derogatory statement. i don't subscribe to the theory according to which defensive football equals to bad football and offensive football=good football; in my book there's room for 2 categories only: quality football and poor football. and neither of them have anything to do with the approach a team takes (offensive or defensive).
besides "defensive" isn't even the most appropriate expression to define guardiola's football; speculative is a much more fitting word. that's infact the word i meant to use, but i wasn't sure the english word "speculative" had the same meaning of the italian word "speculativo" (sometimes english\americans take an italian word and give it a different meaning\nuance).
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Hey, yes it was a lot of time indeed. Being very busy with my company, but sometimes I read the Serie A thread. Just haven't the time to write as often as I would like.

About Luis Enrique, of course motivation will be his most important skill. But you canc ount that Barcelona will do a lot of moves this summer. At least that's what all fans want, newspaper talk about and even the chairman said a "deep change" was coming.

Just being speculative, but this could happen:

OUT:
- Cesc (this could happen, most fans don't want him)
- Sergi Roberto (didn't have chances, may go out loaned)
- Alves (I rate him highly but people is blind)
- Valdes (already out of contract soon)
- Puyol (retiring)
- Pinto (not renewed)
- Alexis or Pedro (a lot of noise about a transfer)
- Dos Santos (injured most of the season)
- Afellay (the same)
- Cuenca (the same)
- Bojan (who comes back form a loan and is not wanted)

IN:
- Deulofeu (loan ended, from Everton)
- Rafinha (loan ended, from Celta de Vigo)
- Ter Stegen (already signed)
- 2nd goalkeeper: Keylor Navas / Willy Caballero or similar
- 3rd goalkeeper: Massip (goalkeeper, from the youth team)
- A right back: Cuadrado always in the headlines
- A physical midfielder
- A striker
- A midfielder/forward: Reus or Pjanic in the headlines
- 2 Center backs! We miss them since 2011!

That's around 10-out 10-in. And something like this will happen this summer.

About Guardiola, I understand your points perfectly. My comment about haters was not aimed at you at all, but there's a lot of people that will enter, drop their crap and go away. Once there was someone who even said that what Barcelona did was extremely easy and all teams could do it, because after all they only did short passes back.

My argument is that the first years of Guardiola, the team wasn't that obsessed with possession. They won at Bernabeu 2-6 with only 60% of possession. This means that the team was a lot more vertical and effective and played a much more attacking football than they did from 2011 onward. And some people simply didn't watch enough matches of Barcelona or only some important matches like semifinals of the Champions, where things always get a lot more tactical. But watch again most of the 2009-2011 matches and back then Barcelona was an ultra-offensive team.

Ironically, when the team started to abuse from long possessions and tried to be more deffensive is when it became more vulnerable. Football is incredibly easy and complex. That's why we love football!
 
Whoever the mod is that banned steakbake. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

On topic - I am excited by Enriques appointment but really not expecting massive results especially with the changes in squad
 
You're welcome Zee. He had it coming but I had to pick the right time. Winding up people is not something welcomed here.

Anyway, sorry for my off-topic post.

Thanks drekkard for finally admitting vertical football is better :p
 
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You're welcome Zee. He had it coming but I had to pick the right time. Winding up people is not something welcomed here.

Anyway, sorry for my off-topic post.

Thanks drekkard for finally admitting vertical football is better :p
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I have always been a supporter of vertical football when it needs to be vertical, but also to dominate the game and have possession when you have to, even as a deffensive weapon. Always with the motto "maximize your chances and minimize the chances of your opponent" in mind. And I think Barcelona 2008-2011 did exactly that adding large doses of style.

The problem is that from then on the team accumulated more possession to do lees. Then, it's a problem.
 
Wow, this club is most probably cursed! Now Luis Enrique had an emergency surgery today of appensicitis. Each day is a rollercoaster.

On the positive, it seems we are going to buy Reus and Rakitic, which are two of my favorite players.

And the youth team finished 3rd in the Liga Adelante, if it weren't a youth team they would be playing on La Liga BBVA next season. What a great work with youngsters they do!
 
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