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ALBICELESTE2010 said:
Is he ? His sole mistake was criticizing them publicly.

Otherwise his other statements about the modern player in general are spot on.

When players get paid fortunes people expect them as in any other walk of life to perform. Be they bankers or sportspeople.

When they don't what do they expect ? Praise ? These players as at Sunderland have been molly coddled for too long. Unfortunately player power won out again.

Like little children. Throw your toys out of the pram because you don't like hearing the truth and the advice thrust into your path.
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If you had a job you were not doing that well in and your boss called a meeting and in front of everybody told them how shit you were, would that motivate you or make you angry?

There are ways of doing things and he got it badly wrong, it may have worked to some extent in Lower leagues but not for bigger teams, the players have more ego and Di Canio has learned a harsh lesson. Hopefully he does learn from it though.
 
BobbyBox said:
If you had a job you were not doing that well in and your boss called a meeting and in front of everybody told them how shit you were, would that motivate you or make you angry?

There are ways of doing things and he got it badly wrong, it may have worked to some extent in Lower leagues but not for bigger teams, the players have more ego and Di Canio has learned a harsh lesson. Hopefully he does learn from it though.
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This.

He acted the same way when he coached a lower league team (was it Swindon ?) where he openly criticized the players and went public with everything.

He is perhaps a more intelligent person than he seems to be, but imo he doesn't act very intelligent.

Hughton and Myes do'nt deserve the stick they get. Fans should have more patience (board too, i might add).

And yes, the biggest mistake was to hire Di Canio.

It is a myth that he rescued Sunderland. All in all he just needed 4 points to rescue them, Martin O' Neill would have rescued them too.

All this said: there is something seriously wrong at Sunderland, they are underachieving for quite a long time now.
 
I wouldn't say Moyes is under pressure, by the media and some sections of fans possibly but the board I doubt have any worries.

unless we finish outside the top 4 which I can't see happening he'll be fine.
 
Di Canio has always been an idiot and like others said, it was a mistake appointing him in the first place!

Glad to see him gone. Doesn't deserve a top level job anyway and has done nothing to earn it.
 
YoungGun_UK said:
I wouldn't say Moyes is under pressure, by the media and some sections of fans possibly but the board I doubt have any worries.

unless we finish outside the top 4 which I can't see happening he'll be fine.
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Finishing outside top 4 ? I'm not so sure as you are younggun. You were awfull against City...and it seems teams like Arsenal and Spurs are more consistent this season. Still early days and never underestimate Man Utd, but i can see it happening.
 
BobbyBox said:
If you had a job you were not doing that well in and your boss called a meeting and in front of everybody told them how shit you were, would that motivate you or make you angry?

There are ways of doing things and he got it badly wrong, it may have worked to some extent in Lower leagues but not for bigger teams, the players have more ego and Di Canio has learned a harsh lesson. Hopefully he does learn from it though.
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The way the players have acted at Sunderland, partying, drink driving and so on and so forth is worthy of condemnation.

These bums should at least have the personal pride to play for themselves instead of 'we don't like this discipline' and throwing their toys out of the pram.

They really are pampered children and deserve to be treated as such.

They as a whole should be removed from the club but they have all the power unfortunately as it would cost too much to have them removed.

Yet again the players get off scot free from criticism while the figurehead manager gets it in the neck.

Such criticism never bothered players before in the past. They took it on the chin. But the mentality of the modern player told they are superior to everyone else from an early age insulated from the real world does not lend them to this view anymore.

If you asked Sunderland fans most would want to see more local lads in the side who would at least wear the shirt with pride rather than for money and at least put in some effort.

That's all fans want at most. But these indolent rebels cannot even do that.
 
And here i was thinking that Di Canio shipped out the rotten apples and bought a whole new team...
If he is criticising his players either he criticised the players he wanted or (if it did not have any input in the transfers) heshould shut up and do the best he can with those players....

No matter what is wrong with Sunderland players, what Di Canio did is very, very bad man management. Personally i'm glad to be rid of that clown who only gets attention for all the wrong reasons.

No every good player is a half decent coach/manager and Di Canio is another example of that (just like Maradonna, Allan Shearer and so many before them).
 
I've grown up watching the best managers almost making a point of not criticizing their own players in public.

How can you expect people to have faith in you, to follow you and be loyal to you when you act like Di Canio has done?

If Di Canio has anything to offer in football he needs to take some time out and study the likes of Ferguson.
 
gerd said:
Finishing outside top 4 ? I'm not so sure as you are younggun. You were awfull against City...and it seems teams like Arsenal and Spurs are more consistent this season. Still early days and never underestimate Man Utd, but i can see it happening.
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We'll see, I personally think it's still a three horse race with United, City and Chelsea.
 
gerd said:
I wrote exactly the same in the Arsenal thread, but you United have to perform better if they want to compete...
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You don't need to tell us that :P

I think Moyes was trying to get through this difficult fixture list by trying to use a stable solid team, but the result was far too negative in my opinion. I think the Man City defeat was a painful but valuable lesson for all involved, hopefully Moyes can adapt fast.
 
gerd said:
And here i was thinking that Di Canio shipped out the rotten apples and bought a whole new team...
If he is criticising his players either he criticised the players he wanted or (if it did not have any input in the transfers) heshould shut up and do the best he can with those players....

No matter what is wrong with Sunderland players, what Di Canio did is very, very bad man management. Personally i'm glad to be rid of that clown who only gets attention for all the wrong reasons.

No every good player is a half decent coach/manager and Di Canio is another example of that (just like Maradonna, Allan Shearer and so many before them).
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To replace a whole team would cost a fortune.

But the players have yet again escaped. Plenty of people work for people they do not really like. But they stick at it.

But footballers are just that little bit extra special. The way they have carried on seems to have been ignored. When a manager like Martin O'Neill or even a genial one like Bruce cannot get anything out of them who can ?

What will they do when the next manager comes in and they don't like him ? If he tells them to cut out what they are doing off the field ? Will they go running to the chairman again ?

Large numbers of fans are being turned off by players with these attitudes.

Paid a fortune when most are only half decent and fell they can do what they like in front of fans who stupidly waste money to watch them home and away.

Why hasn't Phil Bardsley left or indeed been sacked for his unprofessional behaviour ? He is supposed to be an athlete but feels it quite okay along with several other players to go drinking before games and ending up in casinos.

Officers in an army can be harsh. But the people under them accept the discipline and get on with it as they do in other walks of life.

But football as usual is an exemption. Yet again the balance tips in favour of the players.
 
a comment in daily mail article:

Moyes spent 11 years trying to get Everton above Man Utd and now he,s finally achieved it.
 
This season is awesome - so unpredictable. How are these for some odd stats:

Chelsea and Manchester City have not won any of their first 3 away matches
Manchester United have had their worst start since the premier league started
Arsenal lead the league - but - in the same 6 fixtures last season they actually collected more points (18) than this year (15).
Tottenham are almost top of the table, despite only scoring 6 goals in 6 matches.

It's all setup to be an amazingly close season.
 
great match... why did Chelsea loaned Lukaku again? :D

Belgium has a serious talent in current generation..sick to think..
 
New Everton crest that will be used from 14/15 season
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Can't believe Fer from Norwich put ball in net v us yesterday. Marshall throws ball out for them and then instead of throwing it back to him the Norwich player throws it go Fer and he puts it into empty net! Shocking sportsmanship!!

Years ago I played in a big youth cup final down our way and somehow we were 2 down after 90 mins. I scored to make it 2-1. They kicked ball out for us just after as one of our lads got hurt. We have it back to them. A minute later, I scored the equaliser! :) Sometimes sportsmanship pays off eh? I scored the winning penalty aswell so great night for me personally but amazing comeback from our team as we never gave up. 2 years earlier my brother scored 5 in same cup final :) ... and our teams were both underdogs! My brothers side won 9-0!! They were brilliant on the night. Anyway, I went off topic a big there but my point is you should always give the ball back no matter what as Karma can be good to you :)
 
That was indeed no very fair what Fer did. At least he had the grace to come out for it when asked...
Your GK played a fantastic game.

To be honest, Norwich deserved to win, but Marshall was great...
 
jihado86 said:
wow !
Southampton are really doing great this season, they're 5th now, with only 3 new players.
great job, Pochettino.
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Its too early...long season and the team could be at the bottom at the end. They only bought (3) at £35.5m its massive amount . Arsenal only spent £6.5m more.
 
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