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Johnson def. left his arm in when he jumped into Jaskelainen, he kept his arm elevated so it sort of passively punched the keeper. You don't see it that well from that angle but from another angle it was clearly visible, he's a dirty player to be honest esp when he was at Cardiff.

Even saying all this, Jaskelainen should not have reacted by slapping him.
 
Well PLF, i had read your post with the question before seeing the coverage at MOTD and i really watched it carefully and several times. To me there definitely was a sort of punch by Johnson. He did more than let his arm hang...that does not justify Jussi's reaction though...
 
gerd said:
Well PLF, i had read your post with the question before seeing the coverage at MOTD and i really watched it carefully and several times. To me there definitely was a sort of punch by Johnson. He did more than let his arm hang...
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I see.

I guess I never was able to see it from a good angle... usually from a distant and can't quite tell what's going on.

That makes sense. It doesn't justify Jussi's reaction but at least it can explain it. Otherwise that reaction was way over the top.

Plus like edmundo said, Roger Johnson does seem kinda dirty at times anyway... so it's not a complete surprise if he did do that.
 
The slap by Jaskelainen, in terms of force and direction etc, was almost identical to the one David Villa did in the World Cup against Honduras.

Both were bad and deserved red cards, but of course David Villa got away without even a yellow card, because he plays for Spain and they are such precious and special little team.
 
is there a thread to talk about england national team, becouse i have to say..i enjoy watching england NT again after many many years..looks like they found the right spirit and they are big favourites for next big tournaments... imo they dont miss Ferdianand and Terry in defence and adding Johnson to the team was amazing step by Capello....realy good to watch england now...
 
PIPA23 said:
is there a thread to talk about england national team, becouse i have to say..i enjoy watching england NT again after many many years..looks like they found the right spirit and they are big favourites for next big tournaments... imo they dont miss Ferdianand and Terry in defence and adding Johnson to the team was amazing step by Capello....realy good to watch england now...
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....until we play a better team....
 
Yeah we're suddenly 8/1 favourites to win Euro 2012 despite only playing Bulgaria and then struggling against Switzerland for vast swathes of the game...

Same old, same old.
 
Also worth saying that the English haven't played Montenegro yet who are a very technical side, their low ranking is false (essentially a result of them being a newly independent country).

I think they will face a real test out in Titograd and it will be interesting to see what happens, Montenegro could be a suprise package, but it's a shame (for them) about Jovetic.

I wouldnt read too much into the Bulgaria game, this Bulgaria side isn't a shadow of the great team of the mid 1990s (Balakov, Penov, Trifon Ivanov, Letchkov, Stoichkov, Kostadinov etc). It's a shame how much both Bulgaria and Romania (who had World Class players in 1990s too with the likes of Hagi, Popescu, Raducioiu , Balint, Selymes etc) have fallen away in the last 10 years.
 
Any thoughts on Nigel De Jong's horrific (or careless) tackle on Ben Arfa and the fact that he can not be punished for it because the ref declared afterwards that he saw that tackle and thought it was a fair tackle?

On the other hand Bert Van Marwijk (Dutch national team coach) has banned De Jong from the national team for this tackle because he thinks De Jong exagerates...

I think he should be punished. I watch lots of English football and i have the impression that those sort of tackles are more tolerated in England than on the continent (e.g. Spain: after Ujfalusi's tackle on Messi there was a "national debate about those kind of tackles and the week afterwards there were a few red cards for playes who made reckless tackles).
 
I think you've got a good point about tolerance. It's extremely rare to see these kinds of tackles in Italy, and when you do, the player usually gets a further suspension based on video replays.
 
Its his third bad/rash/stupid/unnecessary tackle this year and two of them have caused serious injury, something needs to be done.
 
I think the reason they can't ban him is because Atkinson thought it was a fair tackle at the time rather than still thinks it is now. The rule is if the referee saw it, they can't act retrospectively. Fucking stupid rule. People make mistakes.

He's a good player but too aggresive in the tackle and I think it's commendable of van Marwijk to take a stand.
 
Jumbo_ said:
I think the reason they can't ban him is because Atkinson thought it was a fair tackle at the time rather than still thinks it is now. The rule is if the referee saw it, they can't act retrospectively. Fucking stupid rule. People make mistakes.

He's a good player but too aggresive in the tackle and I think it's commendable of van Marwijk to take a stand.
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That is one rule that needs fucking off imo.
 
I was shocked that on MOTD the ex-Arsenal defender pundit thought it was fair tackle.
This sums it up for me...it's almost in the genes of the English way of playing football...
I remember Hansen and Shearer having similar reactions with other rekless challenges.

I just heard the Guardian podcast and someone recited the rule for a red card challenge: if the player has lost control of his body a red card should be given even if the player had the ball...

PS: off-topic: what a breath of fresh air Seedorf is as pundit...he's great...
 
Seedorf knows football ,but clearly not an PL fan. He said "ManCity won`t win it, they won`t beat the big teams" Then, Lee said "They beat Chelsea " :LOL: I agree bring in more pundits especially foriegn one they add something different . (non-bias)
 
Theirs no point really MOTD is a pile of crap for "Analysis", Wasn't it Shearer that kept calling Silva Villa until Linekar finally told him
 
gerd said:
I was shocked that on MOTD the ex-Arsenal defender pundit thought it was fair tackle.
This sums it up for me...it's almost in the genes of the English way of playing football...
I remember Hansen and Shearer having similar reactions with other rekless challenges.

I just heard the Guardian podcast and someone recited the rule for a red card challenge: if the player has lost control of his body a red card should be given even if the player had the ball...

PS: off-topic: what a breath of fresh air Seedorf is as pundit...he's great...
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what do you expect? everyone is against wenger when he says how the premiership is too physical and its true. the aount of stupid hard tackles is their for all to see and i dont know if i have said this year yet but in a weird way i hope rooney, gerrard or even messi goes through a broken leg due to a stupid tackle as that may be the only way FIFA/FA will start to listen to wenger and co.
 
YoungGun_UK said:
Wasn't it Shearer that kept calling Silva Villa until Linekar finally told him
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That can happen to anyone.
I also think you're seriously biased because of the crusade of Ferguson against the BBC.

As a total outsider (foreigner who loves English football and who is something of a Spurs fan, but by English terms not really) i enjoy MOTD and the analysis. I don't think the pundits are biased against or for any particular team. The only gripe ik have that they are all rather "old school" in the way they think about football: more transpiration than inspiration. This is also the reason why they are so lenient for reckless challenges.

Concerning the reckless tackles. To me there are two ways to stop them. One is obvious: punishing the offenders. And i'm not opposed to bans that are as long as the period their victims are out. This seems rather fair to me.

There is a less obvious way to stop those tackles and other unfair play (Diouf against Schwarzer). Teams like Wolves, Stoke and Blackburn play on the edge (or over the edge) of what is fair because the difference between the top 4 or 5 and the rest of the league is too big. And this of course is all about money. Compare Manchester United to Blackpool or even Villa and you see that competiotion is unfair. Teams like Blackburn, Wolves and Stoke can never win with technical football against the big clubs. Thus their managers resort to other means: very physical football which goes regularly over the edge of the reasonable. If teams like Stoke or Blackburn would have the financial means to buy players like Torres, Ronaldo, Tevez, Van Der Vaart and other "artists" you would see less horrific tackles.
 
There are some brutes of players in the premier league, De Jong is bad but he has nothing on the savage that is Karl Henry of Wolves... in the space of 3 weeks he nearly ended the careers of Bobby Zamora (Fulham in September) and Jordi Gomes (WBA the weekend just gone).

It is "tolerated" in England, but pundits like Shearer are part of the problem. Shearer has always been an ignoble brute, remember he kicked Neil Lennon in the head:

YouTube - Neil Lennon heinously headbutts Alan Shearer's foot

And then said if he was punished he would resign the England captaincy and stop playing for the national team. This is also the "expert" pundit that said, as McClaren's England were being destroyed by Croatia in 2007, "The players have to get in and amongst the Croatians, they have to deny them time, they have to go in hard and kick them off the ball".

Sadly its always going to be like this until a key English player (the likes of Rooney, Adam Johnstone, Lampard etc) has a compound fracture - then you might see a change in attitude.
 
The Lee Dixon bias probably has something to do with him being a city fan himself.......

I think dejong is getting some unfair stick for this there were 5 challaned much worse in the prem league just this weekend alone! Dejong does it and he is the dirtist man alive Scholes does it and it hey ho hes never been able to tacke........last season Dejong was never sent off and over 30 players recieved more bookings then him....

As for Bert van Marwijk i guess he has dropped Van Bommell aswell......
 
van Bommel is his son-in-law though, would he drop him? :P

I think de Jong needs to be punished. I'm all for that. He's done some reckless shit lately.

But I said this elsewhere before and I'll say it again. For me, he's NOT one of those DIRTY cheating scumbags. So I have to say that because of some recent actions, he's getting a lot of BAD press and some people are writing his whole career like he's always been like that.

van Bommel as just one example, is FAR dirtier!

Carl Henry is just as dirty if not more and that is a HORRIBLE tackle on Gomez.

My point isn't to defend Nigel. He deserves punishment for what he's done, and is certainly no saint.

But I can name at least 20 players who are dirtier than him, so for me he's not suddenly the ultimately villain either. He's always been aggressive but usually in a fair way, unfortunately recently he's lost control a few times.... but naturally he's not a dirty asshole.
 
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