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eFootball PES 2021 Discussion Thread (CONSOLES)
- Thread starter flokiman
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Before I started my save, I edited all Manchester United's midfielders and attackers to shoot from distance and I've seen a few goals from distance as a result. Never thought to look at the defenders though.
TheWolf
Premier League
Pro tip for uniform editing, I downloaded the FIFA 23 trial on my laptop and just screenshotted the kits during team selection and emailed the screenshots to myself so I could use my phone/iPad on my lap to edit the PES uniforms on the Xbox. I found that way faster than Googling all the different team stores to find the kits especially given some team store sites are shit and you can’t find the away shorts or some crap 😂
Anth James
International
- 22 September 2017
I need to play more, but it seems to be working well. I wouldn’t say there’s no long balls now, but it definitely seems like less. I may apply it to DMs also and see how it goes too.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
There was a discussion about 2017, and @AntonyC_PESCustomFaces started a whole project on 2017, based on playstylees and COM skills. You can find some suggestions here, IIRC.
https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes-2017-updated-2020-files-includes-team-league-identity.82803/
You just need to read it in reverse engineering mentality, cause Antony tried to fix different things, 2020-2021 and 2017 have much different and opposite flaws. But if you feel the mentality, you can pretty much do a helpful reading.
And of course those skills/traits are finetuned-slidered by game to game, having same core , but different impact.
For example, back then Antony tried to fix the issue, in the so good at general CPU AI, so the CBs throw some balls, as long ball "experts" , cause they didn't use to back then. But in 2021 it's the opposite.
He has proposed also some more radical ideas like this.
https://evoweb.uk/threads/how-to-make-pes-fun-top-speed.91381/
Well this on paper, sounds more arcadey, but i didn't see it in praxis, to know the results.
TL;DR: Yes, COM playstyles and Advanced Tactics, dictate the 2/3 of the CPU AI style.
papinho81
Champions League
Here you have also good material from back in 2017:
https://forums.operationsports.com/...-position-player-ability-tactical-advice.html
If this was known/tested since Pes17 - how come no one tried it in Pes21?
Because the people who cared enough to put all that work in, have probably grown apathetic to what PES has become over the years.
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Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
Now if there was some trait, added or removed, that stimulated CPU to dribble more.. this could seriously become my favourite "modern" game. But I guess little can be done in that sense..
...like these?
Is it that much work tho?
I can do that myself. Its literally changing their playstyle.
I can tip away and do 2/3 teams a day, not only removing long ball addiction, but adding some dribbling and shot from distance (with Long Ranger trait)
Honestly - I had no idea they matter that much. Gonna have a lot of fun with it.
My point really is I don't think they care anymore lol. I'll be interested in what you find, how it affects your gameplay.
I'll make sure to report back, but from what @Anth James was saying - there's a fair chance of improving the gameplay, which is quite unheard of on consoles.
I often wondered why there are some players that really like to shot from distance and others that dribbled me out of nowhere.
Thought they were all flukes and random legacy glipses of old, better gameplay.
But they might all be linked to their playstyle.
If they make a little bit of difference, plus changed team tactics add a little bit more - it might be quite big.
Im aware that I will have to start new ML for all this to take effect, but Im happy to try it out.
Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
Eh I think there are already dozens and dozens of players with those traits, but it never made a truly signifcant different for how Cpu behaves, unfortunately. They sometimes do some isolated feint/single dribbling or some run from the side to the center, but it's not really anywhere near consistent. You'll never see a strong winger search for a costant, proper one v one like it happens in reality.
Or at least it has been my experience so far with 20 in the past and 21 now. Don't know if there still is an hidden way to reproduce it somewhere behind stats/playstyles/whatever.
Although I must say that I recorded some isolated, nice dribbling of the last defender by the CPU forward when the occasion arised. But it's, again, rare enough.
Konami made something and underutilized it at the end of the day. That's what happens when you don't care about a feature. If they did care, they'd hire someone who focused actually analyzing how teams play irl and implementing playing styles and tactics to replicate that as best as possible.
Oh 100%. Having all back line with Long Ball expert trait is laziness in its peak.
Most teams are copy/paste.
But at least we have tools to change it ourselves.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Since we dig out all the good-ol' tricks, maybe also the Matt's "turn Off-side Trap to Auto", may help too together with switch off Deep Defensive Line, never tried in 2021 though.
Anth James
International
- 22 September 2017
The tactical adjustment I'm applying at the moment is working well in overall gameplay for me. I find it spaces out the pitch better and provides more midfield resistance when coming out of defence. It's a fairly simple adjustment that I'm able to adapt to different formations. Essentially it just looks like this. The real key is having a staggered midfield, and LM and RM instead of LWF and RWF when off the ball. Also bunching up the defenders into all CBs does not mean wingers run free, it actually plays quite balanced.
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I found putting everyone as low as possible just makes the game very 'I attack', 'You attack'. This way I'm playing with now creates more of a balance and a stagger through the midfield, meaning your passes (and the CPU's) are more likely to be intercepted. Seeing a lot of variety at the moment with this, combined with no deep defensive line or all out defence, and removing the Long Ball Expert trait from defenders.
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I found putting everyone as low as possible just makes the game very 'I attack', 'You attack'. This way I'm playing with now creates more of a balance and a stagger through the midfield, meaning your passes (and the CPU's) are more likely to be intercepted. Seeing a lot of variety at the moment with this, combined with no deep defensive line or all out defence, and removing the Long Ball Expert trait from defenders.
I remember this. It was an old trick we use to do.
Im playing 3-5-2 tactics with wide midfielders and just put Wing Back as advanced tactics. This, combined with Box To Box mentality for the wingers makes them nicely covering the back.
Wonder if putting Wing Back tactics would give you same result for your LWF/RWF
Anth James
International
- 22 September 2017
The only thing I've found with Wing Back is that it makes the wingers retreat instantly more often than not, instead of pressing high and then dropping back to help. That's why I find the LM/RM adjustment is working a little more naturally.
I'm trying to bring in a little more congestion and buildup now. 'm testing out dropping the LWF and RWF to a LM/RM in possession, but much lower than when they're out of possession. A quick test of this seemed to work well, but early days.
Even combined with Frontline Pressure tactics on?
Anth James
International
- 22 September 2017
Yeah, there was a bit of pressure at times but it was more about their base position to cut passing lanes was a bit too deep.
Anth James
International
- 22 September 2017
Just re-read your post and realised you're playing with a back 3. Wing Back will definitely work with that formation. You'd want them to drop off more than when playing a front three!
It does work relatively well. I've been using it Except in one instance and this has been a problem for years; the AI doesn't know how to defend against 2 striker formations especially when the team playing with 2 strikers is on an attacking mentality. For whatever reason, whenever facing 2 strikers, the backline drops deeper and deeper. CBs especially will not just let attackers run offside and will instead track their runs compromising the defense line and shape.
It's one of the reasons I ditched become a legend for master league and I'm finding that I'm constantly having to manually bring my backline up instead of letting them just perpetually drop deep.
Werdllitrah
Non-League
- 3 August 2021
Edit brother! I can see us fighting over a European football yearbook trying to find a st gallen kit from 1988. The editing was half the joy of a new PES.
Its such a pity that edit mode has regressed so much over the years.
I rememer creating whole Bundesliga myself, from the scratch, googling and editing every single player, stats and kits. All sponsors drawn pixel by pixel in Free Draw edit mode.
And the funniest part was - I never even played Bundesliga Master League. Just wanted to have it, so I could meet them in Champions League and friendlies.
Werdllitrah
Non-League
- 3 August 2021
Used to love making emblems, my fc koln badge was great, I didn't stretch to the goat, it was just the twin spires of the cathedralIts such a pity that edit mode has regressed so much over the years.
I rememer creating whole Bundesliga myself, from the scratch, googling and editing every single player, stats and kits. All sponsors drawn pixel by pixel in Free Draw edit mode.
And the funniest part was - I never even played Bundesliga Master League. Just wanted to have it, so I could meet them in Champions League and friendlies.
Werdllitrah
Non-League
- 3 August 2021
I miss the copy base kit? Easy to make a red/white home kit and paste reverse colours for a white and red version. Now I have a pad and paper to write down shirt nos to make sure the kits match!
The more I play this game - the more I realise that Pes21 was not meant to be played in 30fps.
The difference between new consoles and old is massive.
I was playing it on PS4 last few days, coz I wanted to sort out option file and straight away it reminded me why this game was so frustrating to play. Sluggish players, unresponsive dribbling, everything felt like I was being dragged through the mud.
Then I played on "new" console and suddenly I can dribble, I can burst into priper run, Im getting more fouls, I can shoot in tight spaces..
I thought the last patch made such a huge difference, but it wasnt the patch. Its new hardware and 60fps. Thats how this game was meant to be played.
The difference between new consoles and old is massive.
I was playing it on PS4 last few days, coz I wanted to sort out option file and straight away it reminded me why this game was so frustrating to play. Sluggish players, unresponsive dribbling, everything felt like I was being dragged through the mud.
Then I played on "new" console and suddenly I can dribble, I can burst into priper run, Im getting more fouls, I can shoot in tight spaces..
I thought the last patch made such a huge difference, but it wasnt the patch. Its new hardware and 60fps. Thats how this game was meant to be played.
wk70
Conference
- 16 August 2021
Exactly what I am experiencing on PS5, the game feels different in a much better way. I gave up on efootball and switched back to Pes 21 on PS5 and man, I realized how much efootball is toned down in many aspects of the game play. It's fun to play offline (efootball) and dribbling is much more fluid but it doesn't come close to PES 21 potential. No wonder some call the modded pes 2021 on PC best football game out there.
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