eFootball PES 2020 Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox One)

aderow said:
As I mentioned, I've been playing my fixed cursor save on pro. Recently I went to Arsenal and smashed them 6-1. Between that and knocking Liverpool out of the Champions League, I was considering moving back up to top player.

But then I played Brentford at home and it was somehow the most difficult and frustrating match of the 3.

Part of me wonders if it was because of team spirit (it was 85 against Brentford while it was 96 vs Arsenal and Liverpool).

Regardless, the way difficulty works in this game confuses me at times. I can have Robertson and Fabinho in my back pocket, but some 72 ovr defensive mid playing for Brentford knows everything I'm going to do before I do it. It just felt weird.

But back to TS. I've mentioned many times I want it removed completely or at least be given the option to turn it off. I'm very curious how it works in the engine. Does low team spirit give your opponents a boost in game? Does it reduce the effectiveness of in game mechanics?

What numerical value would be considered the point where team spirit stops being a detriment? Because you'd think 85 wouldn't be poor. Because I've not had much good play with TS being in the 80s all year.
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Like a lot of things PES, TS isn't explained properly. I think it's a great concept in theory but the way Konami implements it makes me wonder.

Chemistry should absolutely play a part in team management, as should "form" but Konami's idea of form is random smh.
 
It's been a year now, so may i ask. What was finally "PROJECT 11"?
Was it those teams costing 4,99€ each? (check spoiler)





 
kgx2thez said:
Like a lot of things PES, TS isn't explained properly. I think it's a great concept in theory but the way Konami implements it makes me wonder.

Chemistry should absolutely play a part in team management, as should "form" but Konami's idea of form is random smh.
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Yeah that's the feeling I have. A lot just seems to be ambiguous leaving us in the position where we see something is clearly not working but we don't know why because we don't know what their intended goal with the mechanic was to begin with.
 
Tomorrow is the FIFA21 reveal, meanwhile waiting for PES2021 news.
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My worst fear came true. I warned many times during the year, that they are messing too much with the updates and database in 2020.
For first time, they violated their own safety limits, that used to respect until last year.
The last think we need, is be stuck with a broken ML forever. :(

Also asking people to do for free, the work their playtesters should and must do, to reproduce the bug. Shame, lame and ffs. :CURSE::CENSOR::MAD:

https://www.konami.com/wepes/2020/eu/en/ps4/topic/game-wepes2020-20353
 
slamsoze said:
My worst fear came true. I warned many times during the year, that they are messing too much with the updates and database in 2020.
For first time, they violated their own safety limits, that used to respect until last year.
The last think we need, is be stuck with a broken ML forever. :(

Also asking people to do for free, the work their playtesters should and must do, to reproduce the bug. Shame, lame and ffs. :CURSE::CENSOR::MAD:

https://www.konami.com/wepes/2020/eu/en/ps4/topic/game-wepes2020-20353
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Try to erase Pes Data System...i don't know if you have your database modified, but this is the only advice seems to work right now




 
Ribas2810 said:
Try to erase Pes Data System...i don't know if you have your database modified, but this is the only advice seems to work right now




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I don't have the issue until now. But it is the third time this year a bug is created in ML after update. And I do not know for how long I will be lucky.
Furthermore deleting the system data, with future update may cause loose the free agents we have since day one, BRzagli, VPersie, Robben etc,.
Players that people do not have, if they launched the game after first couple of DPs.
 
PRO_TOO said:
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I did not know that stuff existed. Really?! 4,99 a team?!
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if you got LITE and playing MyClub only, its not that much but its...useless. Players wont progress (no exp at all), overall Barca team score is worse than any team build after few days of playing. And finally, you cant mix Barca squad with your owned players. Very useful.
 
rockstrongo said:
Dont know how often that happened to me.
Especially when on low TS,and everything went against me
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For me those are signs of pure scripting, or to place it better, this is bad camouflaged scripted moments. It is no more stats handicap.
The CPU processor had in mind an X situation, but the human player did some overriding action, usually it is supercancel, creating a Y situation, so the processor breaks the current flow with such small teleports, breaking all good aspects, like ball control, physics etc, just to revert the flow to X situation.
 
slamsoze said:
For me those are signs of pure scripting, or to place it better, this is bad camouflaged scripted moments. It is no more stats handicap.
The CPU processor had in mind an X situation, but the human player did some overriding action, usually it is supercancel, creating a Y situation, so the processor breaks the current flow with such small teleports, breaking all good aspects, like ball control, physics etc, just to revert the flow to X situation.
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You're absolutely right!
I gave up Pes 20 when my 99 ovr created player in ML lost every battle/dribbling/touches Vs shitty Serie B defenders ranked 60-70.
Not talking about "but it can happen?"
Talking about every time!
And not to mention passes rolling past you,or my reaction time being 1/3 of the CPU's
Horrible game,just horrible (ML that is)
 
slamsoze said:
My worst fear came true. I warned many times during the year, that they are messing too much with the updates and database in 2020.
For first time, they violated their own safety limits, that used to respect until last year.
The last think we need, is be stuck with a broken ML forever. :(

Also asking people to do for free, the work their playtesters should and must do, to reproduce the bug. Shame, lame and ffs. :CURSE::CENSOR::MAD:

https://www.konami.com/wepes/2020/eu/en/ps4/topic/game-wepes2020-20353
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Ribas2810 said:
Try to erase Pes Data System...i don't know if you have your database modified, but this is the only advice seems to work right now




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So Konami can't figure out what's crashing the game, and have to ask their community to act as QA testers?

And the community can figure it out within a few days? But they can't? THEY MAKE THE GAME!

That says everything about the expertise (and the resources) attached to PES. What a joke.
 
Chris Davies said:
So Konami can't figure out what's crashing the game, and have to ask their community to act as QA testers?

And the community can figure it out within a few days? But they can't? THEY MAKE THE GAME!

That says everything about the expertise (and the resources) attached to PES. What a joke.
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If you see Chris, just a one guy like Durandill is doing things that Konami hasn't capable to....
 
rockstrongo said:
gave up Pes 20 when my 99 ovr created player in ML lost every battle/dribbling/touches Vs shitty Serie B defenders ranked 60-70.
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I mean that nonsense has happened for years. For instance, in PES 2017, I absolutely detested playing Honduras with their midfield full of 60s ove players who somehow were more aggressive than Nigel 'kung fu' De Jong. At least in that game you can deal with it because ability actually exists.

hitmanuk said:
I think I'm the only one enjoying master league this year, having a great time
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I mean I've had fun with it. I said screw it and went full on 424 like I do in football manager and it's been a decent time recently.
 
aderow said:
I mean that nonsense has happened for years. For instance, in PES 2017, I absolutely detested playing Honduras with their midfield full of 60s ove players who somehow were more aggressive than Nigel 'kung fu' De Jong. At least in that game you can deal with it because ability actually exists.



I mean I've had fun with it. I said screw it and went full on 424 like I do in football manager and it's been a decent time recently.
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Yeah Pes 17 could/can be tough,though I never had an issue with (controlling) the scripting or if I had a very high rated fw Vs crappy Def,tough and OP, yes!
But not like this ,the way it is on Pes 20.
Add a very dull attacking ai,same patterns,doesn't (hardly) dribble,or the unexpected long shot.
I think this game and it's so/mechanics is very poor
 
rockstrongo said:
Yeah Pes 17 could/can be tough,though I never had an issue with (controlling) the scripting or if I had a very high rated fw Vs crappy Def,tough and OP, yes!
But not like this ,the way it is on Pes 20.
Add a very dull attacking ai,same patterns,doesn't (hardly) dribble,or the unexpected long shot.
I think this game and it's so/mechanics is very poor
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Some of those things look so simple to create, don´t they? I mean, couldn´t they program a"tendency to shoot" for each player for example? And a tendency to commit a foul? It happens in real life, and it wouldn´t be just because it´s a specific match. Right now, events are stuck with specific situations, and CPU behaves better or worse according to those situations/matches. It´s a very poor system. TS is quite noticeable. When it´s low, CPU teams are playing better. When it´s finally high, CPU makes it easier to us. It´s as simple as that.
 
xicpanad said:
Some of those things look so simple to create, don´t they? I mean, couldn´t they program a"tendency to shoot" for each player for example? And a tendency to commit a foul? It happens in real life, and it wouldn´t be just because it´s a specific match. Right now, events are stuck with specific situations, and CPU behaves better or worse according to those situations/matches. It´s a very poor system. TS is quite noticeable. When it´s low, CPU teams are playing better. When it´s finally high, CPU makes it easier to us. It´s as simple as that.
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It is!
Like the really good roster creators in the 2k community sets tendencies very close to reality,and that really makes that game so much better.
If we had tendencies/aggressiveness/foul slides here,that would probably make this game do much better
 
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rockstrongo said:
It is!
Iran the really good roster creators in the 2k community sets tendencies very close to reality,and that really makes that game so much better.
If we had tendencies/aggressiveness/foul slides here,that would probably make this game do much better
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it would surely make it more varied! and i guess thats whats needed!
in the end it all HAS to come together: stats (like the ones you guys discribing here), AI, animations... add some bling and real assets for the presentation and let that all work together: voila, best PES ever! :)

spot on discussion here!
 
Ok for some reason I’m still going on Super Star.

I couldn’t be bothered editing all the stats down so just carried on.

It’s just been silly. I’ve now scored 2 own goals in 3 games from simple pass backs to the keeper and have hit the post/crossbar 5 times.

I’ve read the post hitting is a known issue but has anyone experienced own goals?
 
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