eFootball PES 2020 Discussion Thread (PC)

just posted this on the pes dev page

just played like 8 friendly games against 1 guy whos a pro player in brazil and honestly the gameplay its even worse than in the my club. even the games that i beat him it was pes 2019 all over again. i understand the lies about not being able to revert the gameplay to the demo, its all about keeping the game malleable so that the script can happen online and these PA3 idiots, can keep playing like this (with 5 forward, spamming thru balls and running thru people). at least it will stay in your minds, and i bet most of the devs know it, that you guys made the best football simulator of all time with the demo, a piece of art, where you could totally emulate real football tatics and play styles. and now this was destroyed so that yall can sell coins. not buying again next year unless big changes come with these "patches"...
 
i didnt enjoyed a single moment of these friendlies and they were all, except for two, close and hard fought games

it was me and him just exploiting gaps in the game like clowns and guys like messi being useless
 
More and more I play... I shock how.. I can't point a single side of crucial gameplay elements like passing, dribbling, shooting, defending to be a "spot-on" or at least good or fine... I can't get all this " BEST PES EVER" when for me if you ignore all graphic update or useless Master League cutscenes, this game is one of the worst that I have been playing... and I have a HUGE history of playing not just PES, but football games in general. How they screw up so so so bad since demo... I have no idea. How we get to this.... !? After each match, mostly online I feel .. horrible and don't want this experience again... I have 1100 hours on PES 2019 and 2018 but here .. gosh have 25 hours already, I don't know but... don't want it anymore, I want new game already.
 
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managed to get the demo unlocker. i run it. then i run the demo but it crashes.

any ideas on how to get it working?

(i've paid for digital pes - looking to get my money's worth of pes entertainment because that £45 is gone like the wind)
 
Man. Fool me once etc.

If I ever come on these hallowed forums enthusiastic again from a demo, please just take an intervention about buying a football game. Sigh.

This game is genuinely broken, in a way that makes me wonder if we could sue for a refund. There are magical, wonderous things in it which clearly got my attention, but it's fundamentally flawed in such a way as to render any long term playing impossible (unless severely patched). Note I only play against the CPU, so maybe Konami would waive off concerns as immaterial to their business model. But, as someone who has been around a LONG time:

1. Your 'second' teammate literally doesn't respond to the ball. I've had so many situations where a teammate is within touching distance of the ball, both on offence and defence, and they just stand there, as if unsure what their name is and how they came to be on a football pitch at that moment
2. The delay when using advanced throughball makes it utterly useless. Like, worse than any football game I've ever played, for 3 decades.
3. There is painfully clear scripting on long balls about which player is going to get there first, to an almost comical level where the little legs of a Daniel James are moving in slow motion relative to the immense speed of a Mustafi.
4. Every single match I concede a goal which is the product of the only CPU move I've actually seen: midfield you can't get near plays it into the feet of the striker (who has previously been left by your AI CB) who waits for you to switch to the defender, reads which way you're moving, goes the other and scores. It's incredible that someone thought we wouldn't notice (bragh, I paid for the f*cking game so jokes on me)
5. There is a magneticism to the ball which only applies to the CPU. They get within a few feet of your player with the ball, and it kicks off a tackle/stumble animation. Whereas I've had shots and passes appear to travel through my players who are on top of the opponent. It's worse if there's a deflection and you're desperately trying to get your player to 'glue' onto the ball.

Anyway, enough ranting. It's utter, refund-worthy bullsh*t ruining a decent platform. I can't believe I got sucked in this year, and hate myself for it. There are about 100 better gaming experiences out there right now so please don't make the mistake I did.
 
beachryan said:
Man. Fool me once etc.
4. Every single match I concede a goal which is the product of the only CPU move I've actually seen: midfield you can't get near plays it into the feet of the striker (who has previously been left by your AI CB) who waits for you to switch to the defender, reads which way you're moving, goes the other and scores. It's incredible that someone thought we wouldn't notice (bragh, I paid for the f*cking game so jokes on me)
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Yeah that is by no exaggeration 90% of the goals the cpu scores against me.
 
beachryan said:
Man. Fool me once etc.

If I ever come on these hallowed forums enthusiastic again from a demo, please just take an intervention about buying a football game. Sigh.

This game is genuinely broken, in a way that makes me wonder if we could sue for a refund. There are magical, wonderous things in it which clearly got my attention, but it's fundamentally flawed in such a way as to render any long term playing impossible (unless severely patched). Note I only play against the CPU, so maybe Konami would waive off concerns as immaterial to their business model. But, as someone who has been around a LONG time:

1. Your 'second' teammate literally doesn't respond to the ball. I've had so many situations where a teammate is within touching distance of the ball, both on offence and defence, and they just stand there, as if unsure what their name is and how they came to be on a football pitch at that moment
2. The delay when using advanced throughball makes it utterly useless. Like, worse than any football game I've ever played, for 3 decades.
3. There is painfully clear scripting on long balls about which player is going to get there first, to an almost comical level where the little legs of a Daniel James are moving in slow motion relative to the immense speed of a Mustafi.
4. Every single match I concede a goal which is the product of the only CPU move I've actually seen: midfield you can't get near plays it into the feet of the striker (who has previously been left by your AI CB) who waits for you to switch to the defender, reads which way you're moving, goes the other and scores. It's incredible that someone thought we wouldn't notice (bragh, I paid for the f*cking game so jokes on me)
5. There is a magneticism to the ball which only applies to the CPU. They get within a few feet of your player with the ball, and it kicks off a tackle/stumble animation. Whereas I've had shots and passes appear to travel through my players who are on top of the opponent. It's worse if there's a deflection and you're desperately trying to get your player to 'glue' onto the ball.

Anyway, enough ranting. It's utter, refund-worthy bullsh*t ruining a decent platform. I can't believe I got sucked in this year, and hate myself for it. There are about 100 better gaming experiences out there right now so please don't make the mistake I did.
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Completely agree, and these are just a subset of the issues this game has.

If I had burned my money it would have been better "spent". I didn't sign up for a rebranded PES 2019 with nerfed dribbling.
 
its probs worth getting a refund citing differences with demo.

because i had digital credit and got it cheaper than RRP i'm on the fence about a refund but if i'd paid full price, i'd be demanding a refund and using that money to get the disc version.


Edit : could also be worth holding out for konami to fix things back to 1.0?
 
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There is no disc-version on PC (for at least 2 or 3 years), only steam version that was already patched to 1.01.01 on release day. Version 1.00 does not exist on Steam.
 
SirConnery said:
Yeah that is by no exaggeration 90% of the goals the cpu scores against me.
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I started to notice this a few games ago and thought it was the way I was playing. Now I've noticed that, playing with/against poor teams, I rarely see it - but with average-to-good teams, wow. It's obvious.

I lost three games 1-0 and all three goals were just a straight line pass from midfielder to striker, who was facing the opposite way, did a 180 turn, and leathered it low into the corner.

And now I realise I've been enjoying the game so much because playing with the poor teams is a different game (which is great, but I was hoping to move up eventually). As soon as I play with decent teams, it gets much too fast, and this sort of stuff starts happening.

Uh-oh.
 
Turn the difficulty down. This kind of CPU ‘bullshit’ and cheating has always been prevalent in PES and FIFA at higher difficulty levels. It’s how they make it harder.

I know that’s not ideal if lower levels are too easy but maybe try manual controls or play with a worse team to up the challenge. You see less of the bullshit on professional for example. I do think these games are tuned to a certain level and things like superstar and world class just increase the CPU’s psychic abilities.
 
remjohn said:
Turn the difficulty down. This kind of CPU ‘bullshit’ and cheating has always been prevalent in PES and FIFA at higher difficulty levels. It’s how they make it harder.

I know that’s not ideal if lower levels are too easy but maybe try manual controls or play with a worse team to up the challenge. You see less of the bullshit on professional for example. I do think these games are tuned to a certain level and things like superstar and world class just increase the CPU’s psychic abilities.
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Dude, you're talking too much sense. Wait for people to show up to call you a scrub now for playing lower difficulties.
 
SirConnery said:
Dude, you're talking too much sense. Wait for people to show up to call you a scrub now for playing lower difficulties.
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Turning down difficulties isn't always a solution, even if you use manual controls.

The AI would never score against me on Professional as they are too easily dispossessed, create nothing, and their defenders act like training cones so goals are unsatisfying. Top Player is decent in terms of how the AI defends, but they are still useless in attack. Superstar is overpowered/cheating in defence but at least makes it satisfying if you do break through, a little more dangerous in attack but still very predictable.

Started a Europa League yesterday with Wolves, 15 min games full manual Superstar - after the 6 group games I had conceded one goal... I didn't score loads (6, of which 3 were free kicks) but never really felt in danger at the back.

If possible I'd prefer to play with Top Player AI defending and something a bit higher than Superstar for their attack.

Maybe applying custom tactics to the CPU teams would help, but I can't be bothered to spend hours going through all the teams to do that...
 
remjohn said:
Turn the difficulty down. This kind of CPU ‘bullshit’ and cheating has always been prevalent in PES and FIFA at higher difficulty levels. It’s how they make it harder.

I know that’s not ideal if lower levels are too easy but maybe try manual controls or play with a worse team to up the challenge. You see less of the bullshit on professional for example. I do think these games are tuned to a certain level and things like superstar and world class just increase the CPU’s psychic abilities.
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Actually I found professional to be harder/on rails than top player so far.

(I only dared to try UPping the difficulty after some guys were discussing it here.)
 
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rojofa said:
Turning down difficulties isn't always a solution, even if you use manual controls.
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I just don't understand how you can stand the ping pong passing by low rated teams. Kills all immersion for me on higher levels.

Also, if you're just starting on manual passing you're going to blunder so many easy passes on which the enemy AI can score even on lower difficulties.
 
SirConnery said:
I just don't understand how you can stand the ping pong passing by low rated teams. Kills all immersion for me on higher levels.

Also, if you're just starting on manual passing you're going to blunder so many easy passes on which the enemy AI can score even on lower difficulties.
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They can keep the ball for long durations at times, so a longer match length is needed (I may even go up to 20+ mins). I've seen a some misplaced passes on Superstar but probably still not enough especially from smaller teams. It's not impossible to cut out their passes or tackle them though when using super cancel.

I'm not saying I'm immersed in it either, offline isn't really my thing anyway, but I'd find it more immersion breaking if I could just wander around the pitch taking 4,5,6+ touches if I want with the opponent barely trying to put a foot in like happens on anything below Top Player.

I know I complained about the dribbling, but the answer to that isn't to make the defenders dumb as rocks on a low difficulty so that I can glide past them. I'd rather be challenged to find other ways through a genuinely hard defence than make them worse until I automatically score the number of goals I want with no effort.

Dribbling (and refs) like in 19 or the 20 Demo would make Superstar (and online) much more enjoyable.
 
rojofa said:
I know I complained about the dribbling, but the answer to that isn't to make the defenders dumb as rocks on a low difficulty so that I can glide past them.
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The thing is though, the game is developed for the mid tier difficulties just like Fifa. That's where you'll get the most enjoyment. For the harder ranks they just rake up all the artificial difficulties up, like speed, accuracy, reactions etc. They don't actually play any more intelligent. It totally breaks immersion for me and I'd rather increase the difficulty by say, playing manual and a fixed player.

If online is your thing then that's cool. I can't really stand online at all. Sports games always have too many exploits to make it enjoyable. It just comes out to abusing whatever exploit the devs left in which doesn't happen in the actual sport.
 
Could not follow the topic from the beginning so wanted to ask you PC guys something. Is it possible somehow to roll back and play with the earlier update on PC, which as I understand was significantly better compared to the latest?
 
Tinker said:
Could not follow the topic from the beginning so wanted to ask you PC guys something. Is it possible somehow to roll back and play with the earlier update on PC, which as I understand was significantly better compared to the latest?
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No. V1.00 was never released on PC, and there are no physical copies out there, so no way to get it.
 
what game are people playing, the AI doesnt ping pong. There's loads of misplaced passes and poor touches from the AI even on superstar. The higher difficulties also miss shots, if someone hadn't played this they would think the AI pings all down the pitch and then scores tap ins every time and every time you attack they barge you off the ball unfairly. Its so far from what actually happens.Plus if you are playing superstar and run with quick players slow ones wont catch you
 
hitmanuk said:
what game are people playing, the AI doesnt ping pong. There's loads of misplaced passes and poor touches from the AI even on superstar. The higher difficulties also miss shots, if someone hadn't played this they would think the AI pings all down the pitch and then scores tap ins every time and every time you attack they barge you off the ball unfairly. Its so far from what actually happens.Plus if you are playing superstar and run with quick players slow ones wont catch you
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having exactly the same experience. i know from experience the game can be bipolar so to speak but the difference in experience really varies a lot this year from player to player.
 
Is there a way to get a "manual only" lobby going (like it was possible in FIFA 13/14) and if so, would anyone here fancy some 2v2 or even 3v3 manual sessions?
 
I just don't understand why the Devs decided to nerf the Ai player ID in the full release. In the demo It was great to see Ai players being creative with feints and skills but in the full game that creativity is almost gone.
Adam even tweeted about it during E3, so the question is why was the Ai player ID has almost reverted to Pes 2019 levels?
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Just played more ML , my midfielder 10 yards inside his own half, back to halfway line. One of my defenders plays it to him as he has his arm up looking for a pass. Pass made ball nearly there and player about to get ready to take ball under control, a CPU player 2 footed assault right through the back of his legs putting up in the air before ball as gotten to him. Ref pulls Red card , no he doesn't , ok Ref pulls Yellow card , no he does not ? he wags a finger at him. That in a REAL game of Football is a RED card but not in PES20. Last ML before coming here , right winger gets onto a through ball in the CPU penalty box moves forward about 8 yards out plays a ball right across front of 6 yard box. My AMF is coming onto the ball about 7 yards out about to fire it into the back of the net , CPU defender dives in from behind 2 footed right through the back of my players legs and brings him down. Not only is a 2 footed assault , It was a goal scoring opportunity, ref blows - Penalty but no Red card that is a Red card offence in FIFA's and UEFA's rule book, Ref never issued any card. What is it that in PES 2020 2 footed lunges right through the back of a player legs is not a Red card .. anywhere on the park ...

ps before anyone jumps in , yes i know in UK a player brought down in a wide position ie Not a Goal Scoring Oppertunity is not a Red Card , either Yellow or none. If it is a goalscoring oppertuniny its a pen and a red. That reminds me, AMF running at defender outside the D , UI Super Canx at the last moment and swerve by him into the D before I can take one more step further into the D for a 1 v 1 with keeper I am pulled down from behind by the deferder I just swerved pasted. That is another straight Red card .. he gets a Yellow.
 
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As for discussion about AI - CPU teams pinging it about , that happens in games , yes sometimes there are loose balls and a few over hit long passes from the CPU teams that go beyond the team mates that are aiming at but not as many as in the Human player v CPU. I don't mind that headers more so, do not go anywhere a player I am aiming at well beyond them or if close they turn and let it go past them and that most times the CPU oppostion pick it up. What annoys me, I know the CPU passing can't be as loose as the human players passing, but headers is where it really gets on my T*ts, they play the exact same headers long or short and 99.999% x out of 100 they get to their team mates feet.

P1 over powered or cpu taking over your choice of pass, player on ball stood still >> facing into middle of park team mate some 10-12 yards at the end of the 3 O'Clock position as I were the middle of the clock arm.. I press pass and my player turns slighty and fires a pass forward ( that the power I put in , should have meant it should have never reached him ) to my AMF or CF, who most times do not get it, because it has been cut out by CPU defenders. This occurs all over the pitch, most annoyingly around and in CPUs box, again facing in to middle of park my AMF 22-23 yards out I am directly facing him LS pointed right at him, pass - ball goes into the Box at an angle instead of going to the 3oClock position I am facing and aiming at ex1. ( | ) Sq ball - it goes to ( \ ) angled ball and again 8-9 x out of 10 move is broken up by CPU defence, as the CPU has over ridden my pass for 1 of its choice.
 
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