eFootball PES 2020 Demo Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox)

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klashman69 said:
This place has a mentallity where one person is unhappy and makes constant noise about the game being bad and gets really annoyed if someone disagrees with him
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I completely disagree. Coming from a place that was very much what you describe, this place is a lot more civilised and open to discuss and debate the game with passion but with a level-head. Read this entire thread and you won't find a single person getting to curdstar-levels of anger and bile.

On your other points, Twitter I accept but the WEPES Reddit is no more popular than this place is and it is also more volatile than here.

This place has its use, even if that is for us to come together and not be happy with the product.
 
I'm quite optimisitic watching it all what we have got so far. Do not expect big changes (let's let the guys work on PES 2021 = new engine = major changes (hopefully)) - it seems they worked on a few things to make Pro even better than it is this year and game looks more playable for sure.


A good pace (don't fu.k it KONAMI..) - a few new good animations, lovely lighting, beautiful graphic in general..


That lighting though..Wow!

I love that time when football seasons are finished and we are all ready for another version of the game. I'm hitting evo-web 2023004 times a day again to read all your discussion and see your reactions of 2 sec gifs of newly implemented animations KONAMI prepared for us :-)Lovely stuff.
 
at about 1.23.30 in the latest stream, Rakitic seems to get the ball fired straight into his cojones. Looks pretty good, but he recovers a bit too fast.
 
I will give them a chance for these further announcements at the Pes League final at the Emirates in two weeks (naive of me I know), but please, do not give us more of the "we can't say anything" stuff. Its nauseating, tiring and I can no longer be bothered beyond that getting myself hyped up only to learn next to nothing.
 
Here the gameplay videos from stream tonight, still processing for full HD options, but.. yeah it's better they stream full HD but the game output video is not real 60 fps.. the mess something with settings.
 
Not to be an ass,but don't I/we deserve a 4k stream,didn't they have 4k last year,or was that video presented after E3?
It's great progress from day one that had 320p,but I play this game in 4k,should be presented in that to,or maybe bang out stuff when they're ready for it.
Otherwise,I'm slightly optimistic
 
PESBUL said:
Here the gameplay videos from stream tonight, still processing for full HD options, but.. yeah it's better they stream full HD but the game output video is not real 60 fps.. the mess something with settings.
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Yeah, the streaming was at 60 fps but the console direct feed was 30 fps.

gabe.paul.logan said:
It was played on regular tho...
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Also this. CPU on Regular never cheats. It starts to string unreal consecutive passes from Top Player difficulty.

We can't judge if they fixed it or not since they played on Regular difficulty.
 
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klashman69 said:
PES 2019 isn't perfect but it is a very good football game i have enjoyed when i have played it this year although work and career has come first for me.

As for the place being toxic, i think the biggest problem here is the discussions here are very much being left in the past. I honestly think many old timers here don't know what they want anymore. I think someone mentioned PES 2008 again, that game is almost 12 years ago, that game came about before online was even a substantial thing, before online went modern football rubbish. The world of football is not the same anymore and i feel that people here doesn't seem to get that.
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You come across like the guy that PES 2020 wants to embrace.

Perhaps somebody who has a very different (or even no) reference point of what good fun games are about?

You also seem to be rewriting the history books because I'm pretty sure I was looking for decent forums back in 2013 and there weren't any. 10-15 years ago I doubt anybody cared about forums much because we gamers were preoccupied by / enjoying all the new tech and games that were coming out. To me PES forums have only started taking off since perhaps 2015 - the advent of the community mode known as MyClub - where there was a necessity to communicate with other players to discover game mechanics etc.

On a plus note though, PES' natural selection favours you/your views.
 
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Alx1234 said:
You come across like the guy that PES 2020 wants to embrace.

Perhaps somebody who has a very different (or even no) reference point of what good fun games are about?

You also seem to be rewriting the history books because I'm pretty sure I was looking for decent forums back in 2013 and there weren't any. 10-15 years ago I doubt anybody cared about forums much because we gamers were preoccupied by / enjoying all the new tech and games that were coming out. To me PES forums have only started taking off since perhaps 2015 - the advent of the community mode known as MyClub - where there was a necessity to communicate with other players to discover game mechanics etc.

On a plus note though, PES' natural selection favours you/your views.
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EvoWeb was here since ages. I remember not having internet at our house so i went out to the net cafe to check out upcoming patches and the forum. I remember my brother was sending some randome guy in Ireland a PS2 game in exchange a written, modded version of PS2 PES4 because we didnt have the knoweldge and the tools to do it ourselfs. It was like a miracle.
Forums were around dont worry. You didnt look hard enough in 2013 ;)

And yes PES2019 is still the best game with all its flaws since PES2013. Anything in between is way too arcade and has not many layers. And yes im aware of 2019's fault, all of it. That it still the most enjoyable game of FOX tells something about the past years. 2020 seems just to build upon 2019. Which is good.

The best thing i saw from the vids is the dribbling system, it seems good players now matter. Also the shooting indeed has more variety it seems...not exactly PS2 level but something that can be enjoyed for a year long it.
 
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gabe.paul.logan said:
EvoWeb was here since ages. I remember not having internet at our house so i went out to the net cafe to check out upcoming patches and the forum. I remember my brother was sending some randome guy in Ireland a PS2 game in exchange a written, modded version of PS2 PES4 because we didnt have the knoweldge and the tools to do it ourselfs. It was like a miracle.
Forums were around dont worry. You didnt look hard enough in 2013 ;)
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The hours I spent bouncing between PES Fan and PES Insight 15 or so years ago - they were around all right!

Sure, forums are an aging platform but more fool the developers to ignore them. The quality of conversation is far more coherent, intelligent and well-structured than the bulk of what you'll find on Twitter or Reddit. And I feel that, on forums, there's a far greater awareness of the PES community beyond its walls; I can't say the same of Twitter and Reddit users.
 
OBH said:
I understand that, but where do you draw the line? If someone with 99 short passing makes as many errors as someone with 60, what would be the point in using the highly ranked players? There has to be a reason to want to use the better players or they may as well put 22 identical players on the pitch.

Let's work it out though - I have no idea what the maths behind the game actually is (% chance of a successful pass etc), but seeing as people are so unhappy about Rakitic successfully making that pass, for the sake of 'realism' lets use him as an example - last season, on average for every 75 passes attempted, he failed only 6. So, in PES, if you were to make, let's say, 15 passes in a match with him, he should miss only 1 (just!).

So you mentioned earlier that you were unhappy Rakitic would complete that pass 10/10 times, well, funnily enough, in real life he fails only 0.8 of every 10 passes he attempts, so that is actually spot on and perfectly within the acceptable level of 'reality'.

I guess I just don't understand how many times people expect the top players in the game to make mistakes? Especially these 5-10 yard passes everyone seems to think are too accurate. That is literally their bread and butter.

I get that the pass in the gif the ball is coming behind him, but it really isn't that difficult for someone of his quality, plus it's not like he pinged it perfectly to Messi anyway. If the defender slowed down even a tiny bit he'd have got it.
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Then there you have it. Passing accuracy isn't as flawed as much as the ai defending. Bottom line, passing end to end in PES is to easy, that defender doesn't make the intelligent decision to slow up and pick off that ball. That's not what real footballers do.
 
Alx1234 said:
You come across like the guy that PES 2020 wants to embrace.

Perhaps somebody who has a very different (or even no) reference point of what good fun games are about?

You also seem to be rewriting the history books because I'm pretty sure I was looking for decent forums back in 2013 and there weren't any. 10-15 years ago I doubt anybody cared about forums much because we gamers were preoccupied by / enjoying all the new tech and games that were coming out. To me PES forums have only started taking off since perhaps 2015 - the advent of the community mode known as MyClub - where there was a necessity to communicate with other players to discover game mechanics etc.

On a plus note though, PES' natural selection favours you/your views.
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I've been using football forums since 2003 and the golden era for forums died a long, long time ago.
 
JohnnyRainbow said:
really this forum is so full of toxic bullshit. get your shit together. PES 2019 is a great footy-game. I don't know how you play but I play 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 with friends and it's for most of time amazing how "real" (considerd its a match stripped down to 15 minutes) it simulates the story of a real footy-game.
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To me, PES 2019 is a pretty good build-up-simulator. As in, passing the ball around looks and feels great due to the ball physics (even though the ball rolls too much and the CPU concedes too much space), the way the players move, and the pace of the game. Despite those issues, the pace of the game is essentially unmatched when it comes to modern football games. When it finally comes down to scoring, one of the most fundamental aspects of a football game, it falls completely flat. Scoring/shooting feels lifeless, there isn't enough variance in shot trajectory, body positioning doesn't matter as much, most shots are laser-guided. To exacerbate the issue, the vast majority of the keeper animations are comical at best, which cheapens the sensation from shooting/scoring. It just doesn't feel very rewarding.

It also goes without saying that the CPU AI is shit on a stick, so there isn't a lot of longevity when it comes to offline play. I don't play 1v1 (I prefer Pro Clubs), so I suppose there's an aspect of the game that I'm missing out. I'm also American, so I imagine I'd have better luck winning the lottery and being surrounded by super-models in a hot tub filled to the brim with 100 dollar bills than I would finding someone to play a football game with me in person.

When all is said and done, I personally don't think PES 2019 is a "great" football game. It has a lot of great elements, but as a whole, I don't find it to be a very compelling game of football for long periods of time. Therein lies the problem; PES is always on the precipice of greatness, but something always holds it back. Again, maybe for someone who actively plays offline 1v1 it's a completely different story and I respect that.

Before anyone goes, "you're just stuck in the past! Blergh!" (as some people have said in an attempt to deflect criticism) nah, son, I find shooting/scoring in FIFA 19 infinitely more enjoyable than any modern PES title. In fact, I've put close to 600 hours into FIFA 19 since it released last fall. Last time I checked, that's a modern football game.

This isn't me being toxic, it's me having an opinion that differs from yours. The nerve of me, right? I'd say hand-waving away opposing viewpoints and categorizing them under an extremely vague, but inherently negative term like "toxic," is far more toxic than the opinions being shared in this thread. But hey, we all have opinions. That's the beauty, innit.
 
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A little bit of translation for you from one of the Spanish lads commenting on the game in the last vid.

He said that for those of you who are used to PES19, you will have a great difficulty with PES20. He said it plays better and and more realistic than it's predecessor. Furthermore, he said at first you will struggle with the passing due to it's learning curve with it's new mechanics. He said that he didn't want to talk much more about how different the game feels because he wants everyone to see the difference for themselves when they play it. He said he can't wait to hear what they say about the new gameplay changes.

Cheers!
 
sluuz said:
Still, there are also a lot of rocket laser passes in it...
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Only if you're correctly facing the player you're passing to. Try passing from an awkward position or with the wrong foot and watch the pass fail almost every time. This has been take away for so many years. They'll add that back later and call it a feature.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention, the other team's and your AI players used to intercept passes a lot too. The experience was overall much better.
 
klashman69 said:
I've been using football forums since 2003 and the golden era for forums died a long, long time ago.
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It really depends on the game. The NBA 2K series relies on the feedback from Operation Sports first and foremost...second comes twitter, youtube, etc. Game developers participate in the forums too.
 
amartingil said:
With Hug the touchline as favourite advanced instruction.

I'm starting to feel seduced with the new ML.
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Hug The Touchline -- Sniff The Line

Players will have more energy and stamina but will be more aggresive also to the ball with an increased chance of being sent off.
 
NIK778899 said:
I completely disagree. Coming from a place that was very much what you describe, this place is a lot more civilised and open to discuss and debate the game with passion but with a level-head. Read this entire thread and you won't find a single person getting to curdstar-levels of anger and bile.

On your other points, Twitter I accept but the WEPES Reddit is no more popular than this place is and it is also more volatile than here.

This place has its use, even if that is for us to come together and not be happy with the product.
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The few times I've been in here over the last year there is far too much of people getting annoyed and then actively 'witch hunting' people who don't share their opinion.

This place used to create and inspire new things for PES, but i feel in terms of debate its not really gong anywhere whatsoever.
 
loco said:
It really depends on the game. The NBA 2K series relies on the feedback from Operation Sports first and foremost...second comes twitter, youtube, etc. Game developers participate in the forums too.
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Wow. Super good for them I guess. I'd pay double the price to have EA or Konami relying on, for example, Matt's feedback (or the one of many other valid guys here or on OS).
 
watched some mins of that first 60fps vid, looks alright, but i have no recent pes to compare in memory

as already mentioned by me (online filter 2v1) and some other (vs my club) the online filters are the dealbreaker here
 
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