eFootball PES 2020 Demo Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox)

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TheGoodOldDays said:
Some of that stuff looks good, but the new animations always look good. The "on the ball" stuff always looks decent in PES. That guy has been making GIFs every year for as long as I can remember and it's always impressive when you first see it. The problem is it wears off fast.

The fundamentals are still the problem. Why have no real choice in assistance levels, why only give focus to "on the ball" stuff, would it be so hard to add new defensive mechanics? For example instead of just getting Iniesta they could have also got Azpilicueta and added some new close jockeying styles.

Where is the "context sensitive kicking"? I see Umtiti spraying perfect outside of the boot aerial passes over multiple players. Everything is just braindead easy such that it can be done by a 5 year old. How can a football game feel rewarding when there is no difference between players except for some bespoke animations.

Apparently even expecting to see features that are listed on the website is too demanding for some here. :CONFUSE:
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I'm agree. They always focus on developing new fantastic attacking mechanics but defending feels so archaic.

I think a pressure sensitive sprint is a must.
And it would be nice if they develope a tackle power mechanic that depends on the time you press the button, like passing or shooting.
 
Sorry for the off thread: but do you really think they're able to create a new engine as good as FOX?

Btw, the animations/physics engine are separated from graphics... It's not called FOX if i remember well, but a special system
I'm don't have aknowlegde about it, but when i see Unreal 4, i'm not that much impressed about this part, i don't think it should suits for PES, the only thing i know is that U4 is way easier to program and add stuff. But it misses some "charm", i don't know, even graphically.
 
Wow..i want someone from here to please tell me the lottery numbers also..but only if he's hardcore enough..
 
real022 said:
There is no chance that anything will be improved significantly.

Hate the game, so much hate the devs, hate the management the most,

And I will buy the game, even pre-order it for sure.
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This right here is the attitude of so many fans of every sports game, and it blows my mind. Not just football, and definitely not just PES. NBA & NFL games are supposed to be god awful now but have the same problem - which is the number of people who full on HATE their chosen game, then not only buy next years title but actually, go and pre-order it as well, completely beggars belief???? I just do not understand why anyone would do that? I mean, if you go to a restaurant and the food makes you sick, you don't go rushing back and insist on paying upfront for another meal do you?

The only way to instill genuine change is to talk with your wallet, and keep it in your pocket. Poor sales are what instigate change. I swear, pre-ordering, and these players who spent £3000+ on MyClub every year is literally the worst thing you could do to help the series improve.

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May have gone on an off-topic rant a bit there! I'll stop now.
 
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Animations, player movements, the little touchs on the ball, all of that look much better on that ign vídeo. What a difference a high quality record makes.

But the essence of the game didnt change a single bit. Theres simply no incentive to make any lateral passes on the midfield and players contact only happen in the box or close to It , zero challenge on building an attack. Fouls are yet to be seen.

Theres no defense composition in the midfield. No effort, no thinking to get on the box.
 
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g2bam said:
15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and probably 20 too.

Trouble is they look like different numbers, but when you examine them, they're all the same! :)
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Ok..but are you hardcore enough though? I guess you are.
Also if you think that 15 or 16 is the same with 19 or with what we're seeing in these videos..then you're a lucky hardcore one also cause you don't have to get the new one..just play 15 and it's all good.
 
Watched last nights stream , it was a bit of a chore . I’ll check the demo out but too many times I’ve been burned on this series and no matter the quality of the demo a day one buy isn’t happening. Don’t trust them at all.
 
OBH said:
This right here is the attitude of so many fans of every sports game, and it blows my mind. Not just football, and definitely not just PES. NBA & NFL games are supposed to be god awful now but have the same problem - which is the number of people who full on HATE their chosen game, then not only buy next years title but actually, go and pre-order it as well, completely beggars belief???? I just do not understand why anyone would do that? I mean, if you go to a restaurant and the food makes you sick, you don't go rushing back and insist on paying upfront for another meal do you?

The only way to install genuine change is to talk with your wallet, and keep it in your pocket. Poor sales are what instigate change. I swear, pre-ordering, and these players who spent £3000+ on MyClub every year is literally the worst thing you could do to help the series improve.

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May have gone on an off-topic rant a bit there! I'll stop now.
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Problem is alot of people buy these games (myself included) because its the closest they will get to the sport. I know people will say why not go to one of the older games that were good instead of buying a new one that isnt as good. My problem with that is there hasn't been a stand out good one since the early to mid 2000s (No decent ML in the latest gen) and for me those ones are too limited and a too time consuming for me personally to go looking for patches to setup for the new season. I've completely stopped playing PES and FIFA this year and wont touch a football game till the new ones come out. This year I'll test FIFA under a mates origin pass account but from looking at it so far I dont see myself buying this year. PES, I'll probably buy a key but again this year no preorder. Can never judge it properly till I play ML for a few weeks and that's all i'm interested in.
 
Watched the trailer and I am not particularly impressed with the Animations and Ball Physics. Everything looks stiff, unnatural and.. just plain awkward. Every touch / pass of the ball looked straightlined (every pass / touch made the ball go straight if that makes sense?) also the Ball again looks too heavy (PES 2009 springs to mind).
 
Lami said:
You mean Havok?
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Havok was for PES 2015 if i remember well, but no it's not that. Havok was very well known.
But i personnally think it was more for some graphical stuff like shirts movements, not sure about that part but it's not a coincidence that the shirts moving have disappeared in the same time they didn't used this engine. Not sure.

The PES engine have a totally other name i've never heard before reading it... And don't really remember the name at all, but it's based on FOX animations engine/physics, but adapted for PES.
Isn't PES 2014 who were totally "Foxy" with nothing adapted to football but only some help from Kojima?
 
Dennis_87 said:
Ok..but are you hardcore enough though? I guess you are.
Also if you think that 15 or 16 is the same with 19 or with what we're seeing in these videos..then you're a lucky hardcore one also cause you don't have to get the new one..just play 15 and it's all good.
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Yeah as I recall, when playing these older titles I felt like my PS4 was actually a PS2, it's been the same game all this gen only the graphics have been boosted, and admittedly 19 is gorgeous now.

However, PS4 fan going like mad and horrible PS2-esque graphics particularly on 15 and 16 were bloody awful.

Nothing changes, this new game will be the same as all the rest, its just going to be a 15,16,17,18 & 19 patch, all the broken bits and poor menus etc will be the same.
 
I have had a right go at Konami and this game but I won't write it off, so far we have seen player vs. player with top teams and assisted passing, it tells me very little. I need to actually play it to see and feel how it is.

Also I firmly believe wallet voting will not work on this title, if sales fall below a certain point it will simply die.
 
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned but at 5:35 of the IGN video its looks like the player cut outs have been cropped not to include the shirts. This is good news for Ml as it can get a bit messy with all the players having different coloured shirts
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pacpes said:
So in a month they'll announce Bayern as new partner, next year they win the CL and Konami will be like "welp, ok then, time to drop them again"?
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Bayern's not winning anytime soon. They're not even the favorites for the league so far next year.
 
Easter egg Ambassadors from the trailer ?

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Source : @EditfacePes Twitter
 
For those saying they don't understand why people are so negative, that we should play it ourselves, we should give Konami the benefit of the doubt... I'll respond with the following: Where have you been?

Year after year, it's the same song and dance once those hazy, summer days come rolling in. Fans and PR reps alike are adamant that I have to try it before I can make any sort of negative assessment and at face value, that's a completely reasonable approach to take. With that said, given the context and history of the series, I find it rather condescending.

It's the best football game ever! You have to see it to believe it! It's completely different! The King is back! I'm not an idiot (aside from having emotional investment in a virtual football game that I don't particularly care for anymore, I suppose). I do play it every year and every year I find it to be subpar, and the pre-release praise and hands-on impressions to be riddled with hyperbole and empty promises that never aligns with my actual experience.

People will claim I'm pessimistic, but I'd argue that it's pragmatism that stems from repeat failure over a long period of time. Granted, everyone's barometer for success and failure differs, but clearly I'm not the only person on here left wanting. If a product is subpar (in my opinion) for years on end, logic would dictate that it will continue on that trajectory unless a massive upheaval occurs.

At the end of the day, I suppose I can't let go of that sliver of hope I hold every year. There's always that part of me that thinks, "Maybe it'll be magical again." Ultimately, PES does a lot of things very well which is why it's such a shame that I find the core foundation to be a bit rotten. I mean, PES 2019 is infinitely more impressive from a technical standpoint than say, PES 5. Too bad all of those fancy animations and tech can't produce a game that's as engrossing, unpredictable, and addictive as a product from 2005.

I have a close friend who loves football and football games. We've played literally thousands of hours of football games together over the past several years. His first introduction to PES was PES 2013 (and this was a few years after its release). He has zero nostalgia for PS2 era PES games, but he finds those classics to be more enjoyable than PES 2019. Completely anecdotal and not exactly indicative of anything, but I felt like I should mention it as a lot of people blame "rose-tinted-glasses" when it comes to these sorts of opinions.


Isslander said:
Also I firmly believe wallet voting will not work on this title, if sales fall below a certain point it will simply die.
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I tend to agree. PES isn't integral to Konami's revenue stream, far from it. If it's no longer profitable, they'll just take it out back and shoot it.
 
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@Redhat
I agree that it's painful having to listen to the same PR rubbish every year. I completely understand anyone who's pessimistic, unhappy, or underwhelmed by what we've seen so far.

What I don't understand are people who complain about it every year, then whip their wallet out and buy it anyway? Or even worse, pre-order it, or spend even more money on MyClub?

If you bought a car and you don't like it, yes you'd be unhappy, but next time you'll get something different. You wouldn't continue to buy the same one on the off chance that the next one isn't shit :D

Listening to the IGN interview I'd love to know on a technical level just how much Iniesta helped out, or if it's just another PR thing
 
OBH said:
@Redhat
I agree that it's painful having to listen to the same PR rubbish every year. I completely understand anyone who's pessimistic, unhappy, or underwhelmed by what we've seen so far.

What I don't understand are people who complain about it every year, then whip their wallet out and buy it anyway? Or even worse, pre-order it, or spend even more money on MyClub?

If you bought a car and you don't like it, yes you'd be unhappy, but next time you'll get something different. You wouldn't continue to buy the same one on the off chance that the next one isn't shit :D

Listening to the IGN interview I'd love to know on a technic
al level just how much Iniesta helped out, or if it's just another PR thing
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Because despite claiming that I'm not an idiot in my initial post, I am in fact, a massive idiot.

I've got football video game addiction, man!
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loco said:
This is the best gameplay video so far.
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Agreed. I enjoyed that.
I hope they don't change the free kick camera. Always thought it looked weird following the ball once it was struck. The one in this clips where the camera just raised slightly so you can see it properly looked sweet.
 
vialli82 said:
Havok was for PES 2015 if i remember well, but no it's not that. Havok was very well known.
But i personnally think it was more for some graphical stuff like shirts movements, not sure about that part but it's not a coincidence that the shirts moving have disappeared in the same time they didn't used this engine. Not sure.

The PES engine have a totally other name i've never heard before reading it... And don't really remember the name at all, but it's based on FOX animations engine/physics, but adapted for PES.
Isn't PES 2014 who were totally "Foxy" with nothing adapted to football but only some help from Kojima?
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Havok was used for player animations until PES 2016, it's what made players feel more human and have mannerisms while moving or dribbling. PES 2017 ditched havok and all players started "feeling" generic.
 
Redhat said:
Because despite claiming that I'm not an idiot in my initial post, I am in fact, a massive idiot.

I've got football video game addiction, man!
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Guilty.

I have to have a football game to play. It's not like playing other games. You could assign certain games onto a "fun scale" and say you prefer playing The Witcher to GTA or whatever - but for me, as a football fan, football games don't go on the same scale. The thing I really want to play is a football game. I want to recreate the football world as realistically as possible. That would be off the scale of "fun" and onto the scale of "virtual wish fulfilment".

It's like trying to compare Game of Thrones and the live Premier League match that day. They both have entertainment value but they're not the same thing. If you're a football fan, the football match is more, it's almost "important".

But the value of a football game relies on its gameplay (particularly if you want to recreate the football world with realism, not play with cards online) and when that recreation doesn't move with the times, taking full advantage of the technology (there is SO MUCH MORE that could be done with the CPU power of the modern consoles), then... We're left with a game that, in essence, we've already been playing for years.

I've always hated it when people say "PES/FIFA is the same every year" - but after taking an enforced break from football games for a while, coming back to them and playing PES 2015 to 2019, it's pretty shocking just how little has changed. You can argue that year-on-year changes are going to be small, especially with the same engine.

But the "feel" of the game, your approach to every match, the AI variety and intelligence - when that's the same over the course of £250's worth of football games... You're buying a simulation by definition (recreating something from real-life) and it's not simulating anything new. It's like buying Flight Simulator every year and all the physics models etc. staying like they were on DOS.

It really makes you realise that we're getting nothing for our loyalty and continued investment, other than (the old cliché) updated teams and kits. Plus the graphics, of course - because that's what really sells games.

So I have no football game to play. The old ones aren't good enough by today's standards (set in other genres) - but neither are the new ones.

So that desperation sets in and then you go "sod it, maybe FIFA can be improved enough with the sliders" and "maybe PES will be modded into a decent game".

Then after a couple of months of kidding yourself and trying to copy everyone else's settings (because they're all loving it, why aren't you?)... You go back to the old ones... Then you just stop gaming for a while... Then you wait for the hype train to start boarding again, in the hope that there has been a significant development. And when there isn't... You get the "over the top" reactions there have been in this thread. Because we're desperate.

(That's my experience, I realise it isn't everybody's!)
 
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I am disappointed to see that Konami still have no interest in doing any kind of 5vs5 or 11vs11 modes. Pro Clubs on Fifa is so disgustingly broken that they'd snap up an incredible amount of new players if they implemented properly. Seems like such a missed trick.

Then again their servers struggle with 2 players, so 22 may not be the best idea :D

@Chris Davies
Thing is though, you say you're getting nothing for your continued investment, except for the hours and hours of recreational time that you've put into it? And despite its issues, plenty of enjoyment too.

I just think that expecting too much of PES is totally unfair and unrealistic. I can see why people get angry at EA. Fifa is an absolute beast. The place that holds in football today is unreal, with players holding up their own UT cards on Soccer AM and taking their in-game stats incredibly seriously. The man-power put into it is vast, and I think fans should absolutely expect, and demand more as it often delivers so little.

Expecting PES to do similar things is like expecting Huddersfield to finish higher in the league than Man City.
 
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