eFootball PES 2020 Demo Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox)

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It's a bit annoying that the matchmaking system can't guarantee me playing another PA1- player for sure. I mean, when searching for manual players I only get paired with other manual (passers) if I have a normal rating but when it comes to PA1 I often feel it's more of a mixed bag. It's extra annoying since there are A LOT of PA1 players out there.
 
Chris Davies said:
So if you don't like something, don't give feedback about it? Come on, man. We're all entitled to an opinion, and you tell him he's wasted his time? No need for this.
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Definitely this.

I mean, PES is something we love and all of us would love to see it shine again, don't we?

The formula for PES to be "shining again" isn't something which all of us will agree upon. Each of us would have his/her own.
For someone, to be better PES would require better visuals, for others more licences, for me it means better AI and finally fixing some bugs.
Of course, as every one of us would love PES to be better (as in "every of us would love PES to become closer to what they think it should be"), we tend to spend a little time trying to make it better with what we have: I'll do some kits for unlicensed teams, Klashman would look after team tactics (and, should he decide to start releasing kits again too, he'd be miles ahead of me in doing so :LOL:), Juce would get his head around LUA programming... Someone would just file a list of areas in which the game should improve.

All of this is done for the good of the game, even if maybe we don't agree with what's written. :))
 
here is the reason why none soccer game since then ever looked that good in terms of footplanting and photorealism.

PS: It was on PS3 and run perfectly on a 10 yo PC...
Textures and details has nothing to do with photorealism.
Photorealism is lighting, reflections and occlusion.

 
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fregen said:
It's a bit annoying that the matchmaking system can't guarantee me playing another PA1- player for sure. I mean, when searching for manual players I only get paired with other manual (passers) if I have a normal rating but when it comes to PA1 I often feel it's more of a mixed bag. It's extra annoying since there are A LOT of PA1 players out there.
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This is spot on. I would like a max pass assist filter that can be set so your pass assist level is the max it will find. I don't want to play people on pa2 or pa3. Let me filter them out and let them all spam against each other.

Played a lot of games yesterday online, literally finish one start the next. Loving it. Playing as River Plate is superb fun and I am winning more than I lose even though I seem to exclusively play vs Juventus. Looks like they will be this year's Liverpool in online divisions, over powered and used by the cheap crowd all day every day.
 
That "connection signal" warning before proceeding to quick match is a bit of a problem.

Connections are great so far. All my online matches are against "1 bar connections" and all my matches are smooth, except 1.
I asked a couple of them if the gameplay is smooth on their side, and they say it is.

The thing is, some people think "1 bar" is really bad so they won't proceed to match, when it's actually good still good.
On non-fuma, that is okay because there lot's other players you can connect to.. but on fuma where players are limited, those potential matches are important.

Another thing for other players, there's an option of no-restrictions, balanced and stable.. If you choose no match restrictions(in terms of connection) in the first place, why decline the match if it's 1 bar?
 
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Last night I decided to deviate from my usual manual only online search for a change/test and oh boy, the resulting match was very, very different to what I've been used to playing against manual opponents.
It was like a different game!!

When I play against manual opponents, the game feels slower, more deliberate and even though I usually lose (mainly due to my misplaced passes) I enjoy the games.
Once I changed to non manual, all bets were off.
It seemed that I could be matched up against any of the assisted passing levels which isn't good or particularly fair. But more than that, the game felt faster and as I was now playing against Barca instead of lesser south American teams(presumably because winning at all costs was now paramount), my opponent just wanted to get the ball to Messi and dribble through my entire team everytime! It was ridiculous and also not fun at all.
Have any of you guys experienced a different speed when playing against assisted opponents online?

I shall be going back to manual for sure and learn to pass more accurately that's for sure as I went from loving the game online to starting to resent it.
 
the difference between PA3 and PA1 is big, PA3 is not even football, it is painful to watch. we should all tweet officialpes about making proper assistance filters
 
yasujiro said:
I had the same aiming problems with Stadium cam. Now I'm using Stadium cam with Zoom 3 Height 8 Angle 3 and everything feels better.
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Aight, I´ll try yours. Thx :)

staffan said:
seems like the only ones who dislike 2020 are "pro gamers" and people that loved 2015-2019. no offence but to me this is a very positive sign. just hope they don't try and compropmise to keep the arcade lovers happy :PRAY:
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I hope so too.
But I´m afraid they probably rather try to please the pro gamers cause of all that efootball, pesleague stuff.

You should have a setting at the beginning "simulation" or "arcade".
 
klashman69 said:
Way ahead of you my friend. I have already received great feedback from konami that the game has been received well and people like the changes.

PES 2020 is broken in regards to responsiveness but its clicked for me. I can now use R2 the same way as before in conjunction with the right stick.
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Thanks mate much appreciated!
 
fregen said:
It's a bit annoying that the matchmaking system can't guarantee me playing another PA1- player for sure. I mean, when searching for manual players I only get paired with other manual (passers) if I have a normal rating but when it comes to PA1 I often feel it's more of a mixed bag. It's extra annoying since there are A LOT of PA1 players out there.
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i always end up with people playing with pa3 and im on pa1...
 
rsl1 said:
Last night I decided to deviate from my usual manual only online search for a change/test and oh boy, the resulting match was very, very different to what I've been used to playing against manual opponents.
It was like a different game!!

When I play against manual opponents, the game feels slower, more deliberate and even though I usually lose (mainly due to my misplaced passes) I enjoy the games.
Once I changed to non manual, all bets were off.
It seemed that I could be matched up against any of the assisted passing levels which isn't good or particularly fair. But more than that, the game felt faster and as I was now playing against Barca instead of lesser south American teams(presumably because winning at all costs was now paramount), my opponent just wanted to get the ball to Messi and dribble through my entire team everytime! It was ridiculous and also not fun at all.
Have any of you guys experienced a different speed when playing against assisted opponents online?

I shall be going back to manual for sure and learn to pass more accurately that's for sure as I went from loving the game online to starting to resent it.
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I am a PA1 player, but funny enough i played against one guy who only had one thing in mind which is to give it to Messi even behind the halfway line sometimes and try to dribble my whole team. I was Boca and beat him easily 3-0 but it was funny seeing him try even though he saw how good i was at closing him down and stealing the ball when the chance presented it self. He might of had a bet with his buddy or something that he would score by dribbling half my team but doubt it !!

I mean i kept hoping he would see its futile and start playing like a normal guy as he wasn't half bad at defending and passing it from the back but nooooo had to give it to Messi !!
 
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gabe.paul.logan said:
Seriously guys. Go on twitter and tweet to OP that fouls are ok!
No one is praising the fouls, people either dont say anything (probably because they like it ) or dislike it. These are the two types of tweets regarding it. Very rarely i see the refs praised.
If i were the developer i would tone down the fouls based on this. Go tweet and let them know they did a good job on the refs finally!
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Gabe, Is this means for you a "good job" with the ref?


The developers should know that the line is a part of the last 16m area


 
Guys anyone feeling so much input lag playing this game on day matches, or it is just inconsistent this input lag, pass takes 2 sec to be completed...
 
PESV said:
Strange, I only played with manual shooting thus far and havent got any problems regarding headers, lots of power and lots of variety. Maybe not the best example seeing as in this case the attacker extends the ball, but still:

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Nope. Much better than last year, imo. No problems here too.
fregen said:
It's a bit annoying that the matchmaking system can't guarantee me playing another PA1- player for sure. I mean, when searching for manual players I only get paired with other manual (passers) if I have a normal rating but when it comes to PA1 I often feel it's more of a mixed bag. It's extra annoying since there are A LOT of PA1 players out there.
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Only searched for manual players and always found one. Haven't tried PA1 matchmaking.
Sovereign Hope said:
Sometimes the AI do play patience build up. I've compiled some of build up play (sort of) / attacking by the AI from my recording. Superstar diff, 0 speed. Sorry for the low quality video. I'm a noob at this
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Because you played with patience! Nice!
I’d play you online on fuma, Sir!!
 
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Ribas2810 said:
Gabe, Is this means for you a "good job" with the ref?


The developers should know that the line is a part of the last 16m area


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Btw cool vids i like ref mistakes :D
On the serious note im not advocating bad referees im advocating having fouls. Some people on twitter are crying about that they cant tackle like last year. Which could lead to a no foul evolution soccer again. Sorry E no foul evolution soccer
 
NathW90 said:
Agree on that. For all of the improvements there are certain glaringly obvious poor areas they seem to have completely ignored.

Bullet headers don't seem to exist. Every header seems to float over the bar.
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I had Rashford cushion a cross on his chest, then he stooped and performed a bullet header into the top corner from 10 yards out! Some of the game play/ai/tactics just doesn't make sense. Most playable pes we have had in ages, but still too much of the weird stuff left over for me though.
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
Btw cool vids i like ref mistakes :D
On the serious note im not advocating bad referees im advocating having fouls. Some people on twitter are crying about that they cant tackle like last year. Which could lead to a no foul evolution soccer again. Sorry E no foul evolution soccer
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Yeah but i meant something must to be done with the refs.

Ok apart Player tackling ì mean that in some occasions refs are really blind...this is a part of the writing code that is not good enough for me...there is from my point of you a lack of PK in too many circumstances...unless you get a gun and shot the player into the box :D
 
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ballsinwater said:
Yup, good examples of how the AI *sometimes* will react to how the user is playing. Playing the passing lanes and containing rather than rushing the ball carrier with 2nd defender pressure will result in the AI looking for other ways to break you down.
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It’s not the wonder medicine against all the sick stuff in the game, but it really changes how AI behaves and how the game unfolds. Been telling that for years.
That’s why playing fuma alone can change how it flows. Even when A.I. is not behaving that kinda human.
Combine the 2 factors and you have a totally different experience.
 

Superstar,paO..

Felt like Boca had the ref in there pocket for most of the game but i had a good shout later on in the match.

Ive switched over to manual shooting since.Lovely low bobbling drive from smalling outside the box for a late goal..Not to much on the power and leaning on the stick.Timing counts.

The art of defence and knowing where to position your defence(thou shall not pass).
 
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ballsinwater said:
Yup, good examples of how the AI *sometimes* will react to how the user is playing. Playing the passing lanes and containing rather than rushing the ball carrier with 2nd defender pressure will result in the AI looking for other ways to break you down.
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Yes, absolutely. Can't remember if I already said it, but I was playing another Boca-River the other day, I was winning 1-0 and I parked the bus as best as I could. It was really "human" to see the cpu try to open me up by desperately, but realistically passing the ball around.
 
Chuny said:
Hang in there, mate.
If it doesn't click within the next 3 days, then there's something very wrong with you and you should get yourself checked by a specialist.
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Yeah. Classic WENB style comment. Of course free from every hint how the game should get more challenging and rewarding after three additional days of playing.
 
Chuny said:
Yeah, obviously the AI needs improvement.
And I still feel there should be a bigger battle for midfield. Less space.
That doesn't mean there should be more pressure. I like the way the AI pressures now.
But the lines should be closer, tighter, less space, less gaps.

I know this as a choice, and not a lack of.
They want the game to have space so you can run with the ball and use skill moves and feel free.
Just a liiitle bit more battle and tighter lines would make this so much better.
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Maybe this is just me but I always feel the pitch is a bit too long in PES (something not helped by the AI's love for spamming Deep Defensive Line with every second team!) and you could chop 6 yards from both ends of the pitch, compress the game and close those gaps... and kill Deep Defensive Line with fire. :D
 
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