eFootball PES 2020 Demo Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox)

[PRO_TOO]

In the previous PES games I would typically receive passes with R2 since I like to stop the ball and face the goal. How do you do that now? I see that R2 is for letting the ball go through now.

@Goldstone no its not!
its still R2! but you have to select a direction with LS to do it.
before you could let go of LS and with R2 you could stop it dead. now, and i like that, you have to decide where to stop the ball dead! it is so lovely!
R1 has a different usage!
but we gettimg there people... the curve is back!! isnt that nice!? new stuff to learn and that stuff isnt only there for the sake of it... it actually makes sense!!! i'm loving the change in controls!

im so tempted to do a tutorial video. but then again there is ttb and sponny and the likes wich have much more profession in that regard. i leave it to them!

but if it helps, i could set up a stream again and add commentary to comment on my actions.

 

[DigitalByDesign]

Rexbanner......L1(stop the ball and face goal).

 

[Lami]

@Goldstone no its not!
its still R2! but you have to select a direction with LS to do it.
before you could let go of LS and with R2 you could stop it dead. now, and i like that, you have to decide where to stop the ball dead! it is so lovely!
R1 has a different usage!
but we gettimg there people... the curve is back!! isnt that nice!? new stuff to learn and that stuff isnt only there for the sake of it... it actually makes sense!!! i'm loving the change in controls!

Omg all this R1 talk is doing my head in, especially when I have R1 set for throughballs!

 

[orangebard]

In the previous PES games I would typically receive passes with R2 since I like to stop the ball and face the goal. How do you do that now? I see that R2 is for letting the ball go through now.

As well as the run through, R2 does the fancy trap which you could use to turn.

 

[PESBUL]

@Goldstone no its not!
its still R2! but you have to select a direction with LS to do it.
before you could let go of LS and with R2 you could stop it dead. now, and i like that, you have to decide where to stop the ball dead! it is so lovely!
R1 has a different usage!
but we gettimg there people... the curve is back!! isnt that nice!? new stuff to learn and that stuff isnt only there for the sake of it... it actually makes sense!!! i'm loving the change in controls!

im so tempted to do a tutorial video. but then again there is ttb and sponny and the likes wich have much more profession in that regard. i leave it to them!

but if it helps, I could set up a stream again and add commentary to comment on my actions.

Is I understand him is what messing my gameplay too. Before, when you press R2, your player stops the ball and turning around to face the opponents gold or opponent players, now is NOT R2, now it's R1. You must hold R1 without pressing LS/D-pad. If you ask me, all these changes are stupid and pointless, just make us frustrating, because muscle memory after 25 years they change R2 so much for good or bad still I'm not 100% sure.

 

[RexBanner]

Thanks for the responses. I'll try it tonight after work.

I'm really liking how the faster players can truly beat a defender with pure speed now. I'm feeling really good about the demo but not about the fact that it will all be changed for the release build. Heck I still play PES 2019 daily (offline master league), but I very much prefer this demo.

 

[PRO_TOO]

Omg all this R1 talk is doing my head in, especially when I have R1 set for throughballs!

you can change it!
and if the game isnt gonna do it, playstation ui gives you options to switch buttons too!

i cant express how much i love the new possibilites with R2 and R1!! it feels so brilliant right now! biggest pro point for the demo so far (makes me more happy than the AI improvements atm)!

 

[Goldstone]

Is I understand him is what messing my gameplay too. Before, when you press R2, your player stops the ball and turning around to face the opponents gold or opponent players, now is NOT R2, now it's R1. You must hold R1 without pressing LS/D-pad. If you ask me, all these changes are stupid and pointless, just make us frustrating, because muscle memory after 25 years they change R2 so much for good or bad still I'm not 100% sure.

Yes, sorry you're right here. This is what I meant. New control scheme is messing with my head!

 

[PRO_TOO]

Is I understand him is what messing my gameplay too. Before, when you press R2, your player stops the ball and turning around to face the opponents gold or opponent players, now is NOT R2, its R1. You must hold R1 without pressing LS/D-pad. If you ask me, all these changes are stupid and pointless, just make us frustrating, because muscle memory after 25 years they change R2 so much for good or bad still I'm not 100% sure.

sure there is change. and its in a part of the game we got used to! muscle memory! i agree!
i have that muscle memory too...
BUT, i so much like to learn new tricks. and right now, the new layout gives me (personally) more options to play football on the pitch! sure its new, but thats not a bad thing per se. the possibilites are fresh!

i kinda see it like when driving automatic in car and then you learn to drive with stick... more possibilities!
im not saying the new layout is the holy grail but same time, me old bastard is flexible enough to learn new tricks!
aaahhh... the dog reference again!

 

[Bonano]

For the sake of Chris' sanity I did a Vasco vs Barca as well, and I ended up with 70% possesion, so I had the same experience.

Only positive was that they turned up their pressure (to red) when I went 1-0 up, which made it harder to keep the ball, and they also managed to draw with a direct FK. This tells me that we should wait for the release game to really know how aggressive the AI will play in competitive scenarios.

But ironically I don't think they ever really nailed AI Barca, perhaps except in 2017. Even the flags in the stands they get wrong: a Barca fan would never ever bring España flags.

 

[orangebard]

Yeah, R1 now stops and faces the goal, not R2.

 

[Lami]

you can change it!
and if the game isnt gonna do it, playstation ui gives you options to switch buttons too!

i cant express how much i love the new possibilites with R2 and R1!! it feels so brilliant right now! biggest pro point for the demo so far (makes me more happy than the AI improvements atm)!

It's a 20+ year old FIFA habit that's difficult to get rid of. = throughball, = Dash, = shoot/press and = cross/slide.

I've always used these since the first Winning Eleven.

 

[Chris Davies]

For the sake of Chris' sanity I did a Vasco vs Barca as well, and I ended up with 70% possesion, so I had the same experience.

You're an angel, thank you. It's nice to know I'm not going mad, here.

The fact of it all for me is, just like 2019, great on the ball doesn't mean anything if playing the AI is still rubbish. It's no more playable than 2019 was. Against the AI.

(Ironically, I might buy it just to play online.)

 

[PRO_TOO]

It's a 20+ year old FIFA habit that's difficult to get rid of. = throughball, = Dash, = shoot/press and = cross/slide.

I've always used these since the first Winning Eleven.

i switch and for offense since years. old fifa stuff as you said. all other buttons i leave as assigned.
i know its a habbit... like smoking is! na really, dont want to come across as a mister "know it all/better" or something. i just wished there was less moaning and more trying...
please guys, dont get my wrong here! i just mean it very good with all of you!

 

[ballsinwater]

As well as the run through, R2 does the fancy trap which you could use to turn.

Yes, Holding R2 + left stick in a direction is the misdirection trap. Love he animations for this and particularly useful against human opponents.

It's a 20+ year old FIFA habit that's difficult to get rid of. = throughball, = Dash, = shoot/press and = cross/slide.

I've always used these since the first Winning Eleven.

you are a madman

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

It's a 20+ year old FIFA habit that's difficult to get rid of. = throughball, = Dash, = shoot/press and = cross/slide.

I've always used these since the first Winning Eleven.

I got that from This is Football. But twist it with L1 being through ball and R1 is player switching/GK rush.

 

[Chuny]

Congrats @Chuny and good luck. You'll need it

Don't get too excited and ban me though

I guess this is one of those gifs that wouldn't really need any subtitling
Thank you guys!

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

You're an angel, thank you. It's nice to know I'm not going mad, here.

The fact of it all for me is, just like 2019, great on the ball doesn't mean anything if playing the AI is still rubbish. It's no more playable than 2019 was. Against the AI.

(Ironically, I might buy it just to play online.)

Cmon ai is much better than 2019 Chris. The only two problem it has so far is the same as PES 2013 that they are way too direct and the GKs are overpowered. I dont see it dribbling out of the pitch, i dont see staring and covering while you run up the sides, i dont see one dimensional attack patterns, i dont see one type of shots, i see long shots too, i see different pass types, i dont see backheel fest, i dont see tiki taka fest, i see dribbles, i see bad passes, i see mistakes. Superstar. We'll see in the retail how all it looks in the end, especially in ML.

 

[Chuny]

Yeah, let's just hope that it's because it's just a demo.

I honestly can't remember the AI spamming low-crosses in the PES 2019 DEMO. But then it was like the only way the AI would attack, in the final version of it.
So maybe we're seeing things that won't be there in the final game. And viceversa (new bugs will be introduced).

 

[Chris Davies]

Cmon ai is much better than 2019 Chris.

It really isn't - more organic, yes, but with absolutely no challenge, so what's the point?

Again, try playing as Vasco da Gama v Barca on Superstar. I've not been beaten yet (and I'm terrible at the game). Some have reported losing 1-0 but the stats still show they dominate the game, against a team that should be destroying them.

They're more organic, behaving more naturally (dribbling more etc.), but they're much easier to beat, with anyone. The Master League (and team spirit) might make it harder - Legend might make it harder - but will it? These kinds of games are difficult in exhibition mode on 2019 and now they aren't. So I don't think those things will be enough to make it challenging. Or realistic.

And what's more playable? A difficult (but cheating) AI from 2019, or a game where you aren't challenged by the best team in the world, when you're playing as one of the worst in the game? That will get boring in weeks!

 

[PRO_TOO]

the "Staff Online Now" section on the main page of the forum is so crowded now, its intimidating!

@Chuny congrats and welcome to the "chosen ones" who rule the elites!

 

[DaGuelz]

what exactly are the changes with the new finesse dribble? what are R1 and R2 now for?

 

[Mosh_Train]

Can You imagine efootball 2020 with Fifa chants,banners and commentary?

i would rather imagine efootball with our chants, not fifa ones. way more masterpieces from supporter groups if you know how to search for them - if these groups have social media.

 

[Lons]

i would rather imagine efootball with our chants, not fifa ones. way more masterpieces from supporter groups if you know how to search for them - if these groups have social media.

Agreed but Konami didn’t give us option to put mp3 files. I asked them for years.

 

[Mosh_Train]

Agreed but Konami didn’t give us option to put mp3 files. I asked them for years.

Agreed, too. But for that we have lovely guys like @predator002.

 

[Lons]

Agreed, too. But for that we have lovely guys like @predator002.

On PC... I use PS4

 

[Mosh_Train]

On PC... I use PS4

unfortunate, i feel with you.

 

[Lons]

unfortunate, i feel with you.

Thank You. Im chants fetisist

 

[orangebard]

what exactly are the changes with the new finesse dribble? what are R1 and R2 now for?

The finesse dribble, that for decades has been done by holding R2 and moving with left stick, has now moved completely to the right stick. R1 is still sprint and quick stop but is now also 'stop and face the goal' which was previously R2. R2 is now held to do certain skills (stepovers, roulettes and a couple of others) and is also held to let the ball run through to be chased by the player. It's still controlled shot. It also does what's called the 'trick trap" which is a first touch that fools the opposition by moving towards the ball but knocking it in a different direction.

 

[amartingil]

Played over 16 hours the last 2 days.
I personally absolutely adore it.

- Animations feel like 2 times smoother, on PS4 the whole flow felt smoother versus my 144hz gameplay PES2019 on PC. So I was really flabbergasted. Now today I played on 144hz on PC and everything just clicks, its so mega smooth and the best football experience I have
- Right stick dribbling did not click for me and its hard to get rid of the automatism of the old button but I absolutely adore Right stick close control now! Its so smooth and you have more responsiveness and quicker freedom on where you want to go, I love opening up in a 1 square meter of space now, definitely a skill gap there and Messi is an absolute wizzard, I can make space where I cant make space.
- I feel really weird about it but the ball physics as of this demo. Super loose and so lovely, feels like a little sandbox to me
- To me basically everything improved massively, even stuff like the through ball trajectories. But also the way the player connects with the passes, the awareness of where the ball is and the instant flow on there, I hated PES2019 in that regard as everytime you did that the player would like ''restart'' his run when connecting with the ball in terms of speed.
- Keepers have some crazy new animations, had so many of them like getting stuck in the net to finally some crazy animations during 1 on 1s where they come out.
- Shooting is way more innacurate and the next step of positioning yourself more, releasing the sprint button just for a small amount of time can easily make you allign your shots better which I love
- All the new header animations and interceptions were really needed for the new close dribbling + tight possession stat because thats the counter thing. Timing your defenses right.
- To me the refs are really good. Personal opinion, Feels a bit like PES5 but far from that kind of ''I whistle for everything''. They still let a lot go but I finally get red cards when people foul mega harshly at times! Had 4 today in total.
- Graphics are upped again, better shaders, more poly's. The 3d grass on set pieces stop me from breaking immersion as set pieces always looked so bland with the full 2d textured flat pitch (on PS4 pro and PC, PS4 standard is way less detail and still the flat pitch)
- Early crosses, Normal lofted passes, cheeky through balls, hard ground through balls etc etc feels so good. Im even enjoying just switching play without keeping the ball by how the ball trajectories are. It just feels so good to me.
- The new player models feel really right to me even though in contrast they feel bulkier but comparing to real life actually looks really well.
- Cloth physics, pants moving (but not like a flag like some games use to do as theyre proud of cloth physics), Shirts moving, showing bellies at times. I like it tbh, it works. Not super special
- PHYSICALITY! Big upgrade in this department, theyre rubbing eachother way less. so many solutions in the animation department and I love that you can double tap x to push someone or drag someone along when your not in reach for the final solution with a yellow card as punishment.


I know I'm buzzing, but thats because I am. It feels so much like a real football match to me and I never expected so much change ever in a Konami game, its so not Konami like to me that they even went to make the fake league city names. But also even updating some squads in the demo with some transfers, theyre always lacking on all that stuff.

Personally played PES since the PS2 days and I had 10,000 hours of PES6 in 4 years as PES2008 onwards sucked so much. I played hundreds of hours of the shitty PES games and to me those are generation PES2008 to PES2014. I really never saw the appeal of PES2013, Even played it again (All the games in a row) and its just so broken to me. And PES2019 is my first PES thats in my heart again as a really fun PES and therefore instead of like 200/300 hours I clocked 2500 hours of PES2019. But this PES2020 doesnt look and feel like PES2019 at all to me in a positive way, Huge upgrades around the board to me.

I really hope this balance and freedom is kept in the fullgame. Atleast not completely different
The things I hope they fix is :
- On PC the home player has 2fps during pre scene menu and its ridiculous
- The Super cancel buttons to cancel your action just dont work sometimes, The pass or whatever will still happen. This is something I use so much and kind of a basic of the game and now I just misplace passes or pass at weird spots at times so i'm kind of handicapped lmao. Should really be fixed, basic gameplay feature

If you dont like my positivity, i'm so sorry I've been part of Evo-Web for such a long time and Loved making the Online transferpatch for everybody for PES6 on PC back in the day. Being positive about the direction the game goes these years versus the times I really did not like the game for such a long time... I just sometimes feel scared to give my two cents on here. Simply how I feel and my opinion and wanted to share

Love y'all <3

I've subscribe everything , my poor english doesn't let me explain what I feel better than these words're able to to do.

I hope the new mod doesn't categorize this as porn:


Congrats @Chuny